Is Russia about to invade Ukraine? (1 Viewer)

[superchuck500]

Russia continues to mass assets within range of Ukraine - though the official explanations are that they are for various exercises. United States intelligence has noted that Russian operatives in Ukraine could launch 'false flag' operations as a predicate to invasion. The West has pressed for negotiations and on Friday in Geneva, the US Sec. State Blinken will meet with the Russian Foreign Minister Lavrov.

Certainly the Russian movements evidence some plan - but what is it? Some analysts believe that Putin's grand scheme involves securing Western commitments that NATO would never expand beyond its current composition. Whether that means action in Ukraine or merely the movement of pieces on the chess board remains to be seen.

VIENNA — No one expected much progress from this past week’s diplomatic marathon to defuse the security crisis Russia has ignited in Eastern Europe by surrounding Ukraine on three sides with 100,000 troops and then, by the White House’s accounting, sending in saboteurs to create a pretext for invasion.

But as the Biden administration and NATO conduct tabletop simulations about how the next few months could unfold, they are increasingly wary of another set of options for President Vladimir V. Putin, steps that are more far-reaching than simply rolling his troops and armor over Ukraine’s border.

Mr. Putin wants to extend Russia’s sphere of influence to Eastern Europe and secure written commitments that NATO will never again enlarge. If he is frustrated in reaching that goal, some of his aides suggested on the sidelines of the negotiations last week, then he would pursue Russia’s security interests with results that would be felt acutely in Europe and the United States.

There were hints, never quite spelled out, that nuclear weapons could be shifted to places — perhaps not far from the United States coastline — that would reduce warning times after a launch to as little as five minutes, potentially igniting a confrontation with echoes of the 1962 Cuban Missile Crisis.

Russia Issues Subtle Threats More Far-Reaching Than a Ukraine Invasion

If the West fails to meet its security demands, Moscow could take measures like placing nuclear missiles close to the U.S. coastline, Russian officials have hinted.

www.nytimes.com

Blinken Will Meet With Russia as U.S. Pushes for More Diplomacy

Secretary of State Antony J. Blinken will meet with Foreign Minister Sergey V. Lavrov of Russia in Geneva on Friday as the United States warns that Russia could soon attack Ukraine.

www.nytimes.com

How to think about war in Ukraine

Start with the Ukrainians

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[LA - L.A.]

I would actually like you to flesh out this thought. This sounds like fruit loops.

Was lend/lease a traitorous act perpetuated by FDR, and Congress?

Can you not be loyal to your own country while supporting the war effort of an ally?

It goes something like this:

• Trump idolizes and envies Putin's authoritarian power.
• Putin attacked and invaded Ukraine.
• Ukraine is fighting back, much to Putin's surprise and chagrin.
• That makes Ukraine an enemy to Putin.
• That makes Ukraine an enemy to Trump.
• That makes Ukraine an enemy of America to Trump's blindly loyal and devoted followers.
• Blindly loyal and devoted followers of Trump see an American help Ukraine.
• Take makes that American disloyal to America and loyal to the enemy to the blindly loyal and devoted Trump followers.

Rinse and repeat on every issue. It's textbook cult devotee thinking and behavior.

 

[brandon]

I take it you approve of endlessly funding Ukraine where even the next 2 presidents couldn't stop it?

Point of order: a ten-year agreement is, by definition, not an endless agreement. It ends in ten years.

Assange was right in 2011 when he said this and it definitely applies now. The US empire hates that Assange exposed some of their secrets and that's why they want him dead or jailed.

We didn’t start this war. Neither did Ukraine.

Putin did.

 

[Bigdaddysaints]

We didn’t start this war. Neither did Ukraine.

Putin did.

but but, Putin had no choice but to stop those Ukrainian Nazis!!!!!

 

[MT15]

Another point that SFL is failing to consider is that Trump seems to have given Johnson the green light to go ahead with Ukraine aid. Johnson is nothing if not loyal to Trump, and went to MAL a week before the aid package was passed. Trump hasn’t said a word about the aid package that I am aware of, and we all know he’s not one to keep silent if he is pissed off.

Remember Trump has no loyalty to anyone but himself. I read that the president of Poland had been calling him and working on him to give his blessing to the aid package. If anyone hits the right notes with Trump, he will flip any position he holds. If he sees an advantage to himself, he will change direction at any moment. He is ultimately corrupt and corruptible. Extremely so.

He belongs nowhere near any position of responsibility. Ever.

 

[efil4]

Ukraine using 20+ year old US munitions- and this is what US munitions do




Then here is a US Bradley FV engaging a Russian MT-LB ( infantry vehicle) and shredding it




I sure dont mind my tax dollars showing up in real life proving grounds.

 

[SaintForLife]

This sounds familiar

 

[J-DONK]

This sounds familiar

It should sound familiar. People generally don't like being invaded.

You are so close to accusing the CIA of forcing Russia to invade Ukraine/Georgia.

Why did bill to stem ‘foreign influence’ trigger protests in Georgia over country's media freedom?

Georgia has been engulfed by huge protests triggered by a proposed law that critics see as a threat to media freedom and the country’s aspirations to join the European Union.

apnews.com

The opposition denounces the bill as “the Russian law” because Moscow uses similar legislation to stigmatize independent news media and organizations critical of the Kremlin. Opponents of the bill say the fact that it is now before parliament is a sign of Moscow’s purported influence over Georgia. They fear it will become an impediment to the country’s long-sought prospects of joining the European Union.

 

[SaintForLife]

It should sound familiar. People generally don't like being invaded.

Yeah that's probably why they wanted this. Bunch of savages for wanting to know what countries are trying to influence their country through NGOs(CIA loves to do that) From your article:

The bill would require media and nongovernmental organizations and other nonprofits to register as “pursuing the interests of a foreign power” if they receive more than 20% of funding from abroad.

The governing party says the bill is necessary to stem what it deems as harmful foreign influence over the country’s political scene and to prevent unidentified foreign actors from trying to destabilize the country’s political scene.

You are so close to accusing the CIA of forcing Russia to invade Ukraine/Georgia.

Why did bill to stem ‘foreign influence’ trigger protests in Georgia over country's media freedom?

Georgia has been engulfed by huge protests triggered by a proposed law that critics see as a threat to media freedom and the country’s aspirations to join the European Union.

apnews.com

The fixation with Russia influencing everything or blaming Russia is a collective & certifiable mental pathology in the US. It's interesting to see it's alive and well in the other countries too.

 

[DaveXA]

Yeah that's probably why they wanted this. Bunch of savages for wanting to know what countries are trying to influence their country through NGOs(CIA loves to do that) From your article:

The bill would require media and nongovernmental organizations and other nonprofits to register as “pursuing the interests of a foreign power” if they receive more than 20% of funding from abroad.

The governing party says the bill is necessary to stem what it deems as harmful foreign influence over the country’s political scene and to prevent unidentified foreign actors from trying to destabilize the country’s political scene.

The fixation with Russia influencing everything or blaming Russia is a collective & certifiable mental pathology in the US. It's interesting to see it's alive and well in the other countries too.

I've come to the conclusion that you're a Poots sycophant. There's really no other explanation for your ongoing support for all things Russia. Or maybe you are Russian...which would explain a lot.

 

[SaintForLife]

I've come to the conclusion that you're a Poots sycophant. There's really no other explanation for your ongoing support for all things Russia. Or maybe you are Russian...which would explain a lot.

If this were in a periodical, it would have a picture of you next to it.

The fixation with Russia influencing everything or blaming Russia is a collective & certifiable mental pathology in the US.

 

[DaveXA]

If this were in a periodical, it would have a picture of you next to it.

The fixation with Russia influencing everything or blaming Russia is a collective & certifiable mental pathology in the US.

Nice, make sure you use a good pic.

 

[LA - L.A.]

The fixation with Russia influencing everything or blaming Russia is a collective & certifiable mental pathology in the US. It's interesting to see it's alive and well in the other countries too.

Since were cracking wise about people's emotional and mental states. This poster's logic and argumentation style is just like my father's, and my father's high on the narcissistic personality disorder (NPD) spectrum and suffering from early to middle stage dementia.

Trying to have a rational, grounded in reality, discussion with my my father is as futile as trying to have one with this poster.

Now, let me be clear, I'm not saying this poster is on the NPD spectrum nor am I saying they are in early to middle stage dementia. I'm just saying they both act in very similar ways during a discussion.

 

[J-DONK]

The fixation with Russia influencing everything or blaming Russia is a collective & certifiable mental pathology in the US. It's interesting to see it's alive and well in the other countries too.

OR, maybe the countries Russia invaded hate their guts.

 

[J-DONK]

Since were cracking wise about people's emotional and mental states. This poster's logic and argumentation style is just like my father's, and my father's high on the narcissistic personality disorder (NPD) spectrum and suffering from early to middle stage dementia.

Trying to have a rational, grounded in reality, discussion with my my father is as futile as trying to have one with this poster.

Now, let me be clear, I'm not saying this poster is on the NPD spectrum nor am I saying they are in early to middle stage dementia. I'm just saying they both act in very similar ways during a discussion.

He just likes authoritarians. Trump, and Putin are both a strongman types, or at least want to be.

There is nothing wrong with wanting a strong, big man to protect you, and make you feel safe.

 

[DaveXA]

OR, maybe the countries Russia invaded hate their guts.

The simplest answer is often the right one.

 

[DaveXA]

He just likes authoritarians. Trump, and Putin are both a strongman types, or at least want to be.

There is nothing wrong with wanting a strong, big man to protect you, and make you feel safe.

In other words, a sycophant.

 

[SaintForLife]

OR, maybe the countries Russia invaded hate their guts.

Why are you against Georgia being able to identify which other countries are trying to interfere in their country through NGOs?

 

[SaintForLife]

He just likes authoritarians. Trump, and Putin are both a strongman types, or at least want to be.

There is nothing wrong with wanting a strong, big man to protect you, and make you feel safe.

Biden forced people to take the Covid vaccine if they wanted to keep their job or stay in the military, violated the 1st ammendment through censorship according to 4 federal judges, he's trying to jail his political opponent, etc. Who likes authoritarians?

You just like war and makes excuses for the foreign policy mistakes, destroying other countries and all the death and destruction that goes along with it.