Is Russia about to invade Ukraine? (1 Viewer)

[superchuck500]

Russia continues to mass assets within range of Ukraine - though the official explanations are that they are for various exercises. United States intelligence has noted that Russian operatives in Ukraine could launch 'false flag' operations as a predicate to invasion. The West has pressed for negotiations and on Friday in Geneva, the US Sec. State Blinken will meet with the Russian Foreign Minister Lavrov.

Certainly the Russian movements evidence some plan - but what is it? Some analysts believe that Putin's grand scheme involves securing Western commitments that NATO would never expand beyond its current composition. Whether that means action in Ukraine or merely the movement of pieces on the chess board remains to be seen.

VIENNA — No one expected much progress from this past week’s diplomatic marathon to defuse the security crisis Russia has ignited in Eastern Europe by surrounding Ukraine on three sides with 100,000 troops and then, by the White House’s accounting, sending in saboteurs to create a pretext for invasion.

But as the Biden administration and NATO conduct tabletop simulations about how the next few months could unfold, they are increasingly wary of another set of options for President Vladimir V. Putin, steps that are more far-reaching than simply rolling his troops and armor over Ukraine’s border.

Mr. Putin wants to extend Russia’s sphere of influence to Eastern Europe and secure written commitments that NATO will never again enlarge. If he is frustrated in reaching that goal, some of his aides suggested on the sidelines of the negotiations last week, then he would pursue Russia’s security interests with results that would be felt acutely in Europe and the United States.

There were hints, never quite spelled out, that nuclear weapons could be shifted to places — perhaps not far from the United States coastline — that would reduce warning times after a launch to as little as five minutes, potentially igniting a confrontation with echoes of the 1962 Cuban Missile Crisis.

Russia Issues Subtle Threats More Far-Reaching Than a Ukraine Invasion

If the West fails to meet its security demands, Moscow could take measures like placing nuclear missiles close to the U.S. coastline, Russian officials have hinted.

www.nytimes.com

Blinken Will Meet With Russia as U.S. Pushes for More Diplomacy

Secretary of State Antony J. Blinken will meet with Foreign Minister Sergey V. Lavrov of Russia in Geneva on Friday as the United States warns that Russia could soon attack Ukraine.

www.nytimes.com

How to think about war in Ukraine

Start with the Ukrainians

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[MT15]

Waiving Ukrainian flags on the House floor. It's almost like they forgot what country they represent.

These your guys? They are, aren’t they? You think they’re being railroaded, you defend them. Which is worse?

 

[MT15]

More flag hypocrisy.

 

[LA - L.A.]

Name any other country that has come close to the US in interfering in other countries elections, invading other countries and desposing their leaders, and being involved in as many wars and military conflicts.

That's easy, that other country is Putin's Russia under his iron fist and they are far worse than the US has ever been.

• Putin's Russia has interfered and continues to interfere in more foreign elections than any other country has, and it's not even close. Putin's Russia won't stop until they are stopped.
• Putin's Russia has invaded more countries and deposed their leaders than any other country has, and it's not even close. Putin's Russia won't stop until they are stopped.
• Putin's Russia has instigated and exacerbated many more wars than any other country has, and it's not even close. Putin's Russia won't stop until they are stopped.

The poster knows they cannot deny these and the other atrocities Putin's Russia constantly commits. They know that there is no defending Putin's Russia.

So instead, they falsely accuse the US, NATO and Ukraine of being just as bad as Putin's Russia constantly proves themselves to be. They falsely attempt to equate the US, Ukraine and NATO to Putin's Russia.

They are trying to get the attention and blame off of where it rightly belongs, on Putin's Russia, by falsely claiming everyone does what Putin's Russia does.

This poster complains about the evils of the US invading other countries, while in the same breath giving justifications for Putin's Russia's invasion of Ukraine. They also make it clear that the outcome they desire is for Putin's Russia to conquer Ukraine, or at least be able to keep Crimea and regions of eastern Ukraine that they illegally seized and occupy.

How can anyone honestly and in good faith disapprove of and criticize any country for invading any other country, while at the same time justifying and cheering for Putin's Russia in its invasion of Ukraine?

The answer is simple, because that person is a devotee of Trump and Trump justifies and cheers for Putin, because Trump idolizes Putin. Trump wants to do to the US what Putin has done to Russia. Trump's supporters are blindly devoted to Trump, so they also want Trump to do to the US what Putin has done to Russia.

Trump wants to remake America as Trump's America and Trump's devotees want to help Trump remake America as Trump's America. Trump and his devotees need Putin's Russia to win in Ukraine if they are going to have any hope of remaking America as Trump's America, because if Putin's Russia loses in Ukraine, Putin loses control of Russia.

If Putin loses control of Russia, Trump and his MAGA devotees lose Putin's disinformation assistance and they can't politically survive in our America without Putin's assistance. They wouldn't have gotten this far without Putin's help.

 

[J-DONK]

Imagine how low of an IQ someone must have to think that someone who speaks negatively about US foreign policy and the US war machine can't possibly believe that its true.

How naive can one be to still to think that the one country that meddles in most other countries affairs, is involved in just about every war or military conflict, invades other countries, deposes their leaders with puppets friendly to the US, has interfered with elections in other countries at least 82 times, is doing all those this to protect democracy and for altruistic reasons?

This dude really does believe in American exceptionalism.

European war, fought on European soil between previous members of a European country. Former leader gets coup d'état because of a European trade deal. This dude walks in looking for a CIA plot.

I've said this before to you. You don't have the ability to think through geopolitics on any scale. You for sure aren't going to figure it out reading Glenn Greenwald/David Sacks/Tucker Carlson tweets.

 

[efil4]

If you don't want to read his entire piece, just open tweet and read the bullet points.

 

[DJ1BigTymer]

Putin's disappointment is a direct result of his idiots in the US Congress not being very useful this time.

 

[LA - L.A.]

If you don't want to read his entire piece, just open tweet and read the bullet points.

From that series of tweets:

It seems that the approval of aid for Ukraine by the US Congress came as a big surprise to Russia. Judging by their reaction, they had no plan B and believed there would be no help.

But, it turns out that now Ukraine and the West are destroying the remnants of the high-tech part of the Russian army to bring it back to the 20th century. Another year of such a war and all Russia will be left with will be last century weapons and meat assaults. Aviation, especially strategic aircraft, and the navy will be largely destroyed.

Meanwhile, NATO and China continue to increase their high tech weaponry stocks. Russia is playing tactics in Ukraine, and losing strategically. In a direct confrontation with NATO, it has less and less chances. Aid to Ukraine is essentially an ultimatum. It will now be about exhausting Russia. Yesterday's statements by Medvedev and Peskov are full of confusion and spite.

I think Putin gets more desperate and dangerous now. He suffers from a severe level of narcissistic personalty disorder (NPD) combined with delusions of grandeur that his destiny is to rebuild the Russian Empire.

When someone suffering from NPD loses adoration and praise, they typically commit suicide because life is unbearable for them without that. If Putin loses in Ukraine, will lose the adoration and praise of Russians, in addition to losing power over them.

I think that if Putin believes he will lose in Ukraine, he will commit suicide by nuclear homicide. Putin has that type of personality, "if I'm going down, I'm taking as many of you with me as I can."

Trump has the same personality. Trump wants to seize control of us and our government, or destroy us and our government if we don't give him what he wants.

Putin and Trump would be powerless if it wasn't for all of the people who choose to be blindly devoted to each of them.

 

[LA - L.A.]

Putin's disappointment is a direct result of his idiots in the US Congress not being very useful this time.

Putin is vindictive, so I wouldn't want to be a useful idiot that wasn't useful. Some compromising information might start surfacing about some of the members of Congress.

 

[DJ1BigTymer]

Putin is vindictive, so I wouldn't want to be a useful idiot that wasn't useful. A lot of compromising information might start surfacing about some of the members of Congress.

I would welcome that

 

[SaintForLife]

Take 5 min to Google Dave DeCamp from Brooklyn. Pay attention to some of the on line media outlets he has contributed to.

Real close attention.

Your rush to find confirmation bias is your folly. You don't even vet the sources if it aligns with your view du jour.

Unbelievably gullible.

Would that be Russian Insider you are referring to?

Speaking of Russian media outlets...

 

[SaintForLife]

These your guys? They are, aren’t they? You think they’re being railroaded, you defend them. Which is worse?

Nice try at the deflection, but those aren't members of the US Congress.

More flag hypocrisy.

Outside her office isn't the floor of the House of Representatives.

It's quite obvious that the Democrats(and establishment Republicans) priority is Ukraine & weapons manufacturers and not their own constituents.

 

[SaintForLife]

I've said this before to you. You don't have the ability to think through geopolitics on any scale. You for sure aren't going to figure it out reading Glenn Greenwald/David Sacks/Tucker Carlson tweets.

Says the genius who thinks the US meddling in every country, interfering in at least 82 elections, being involved in just about every war or military conflict is all done to protect democracy and only for altruistic reasons.

 

[efil4]

Would that be Russian Insider you are referring to?

Speaking of Russian media outlets...

do you even know when that screenshot was from?

I bet you have no idea lol.

It is quite amazing how insanely gullible you have become OR you know exactly what you are doing and peddling large amounts of misinformation.

Either way, you look ridiculous.

 

[SaintForLife]

do you even know when that screenshot was from?

I bet you have no idea lol.

It is quite amazing how insanely gullible you have become OR you know exactly what you are doing and peddling large amounts of misinformation.

Either way, you look ridiculous.

Yes I know that Schiff was interviewed on RT. That would make him a Putin supporter right?

 

[efil4]

Nice try at the deflection, but those aren't members of the US Congress.

Outside her office isn't the floor of the House of Representatives.

It's quite obvious that the Democrats(and establishment Republicans) priority is Ukraine & weapons manufacturers and not their own constituents.

here is a link to the reprimand rules.

may want to forward them to Mr. Massie. He, like you, talks out of his neck.

Expulsion, Censure, Reprimand, and Fine: Legislative Discipline in the House of Representatives

The House of Representatives—in the same manner as the United States Senate—is expressly authorized within the United States...

www.everycrsreport.com

 

[efil4]

Yes I know that Schiff was interviewed on RT. That would make him a Putin supporter right?

When? When was that and do you know WHY he was?

 

[efil4]

BTW Rep. Adam Schiff voted YEA on Ukraine aid.

so that makes him a Ukraine supporter.

doh...

 

[SaintForLife]

BTW Rep. Adam Schiff voted YEA on Ukraine aid.

so that makes him a Ukraine supporter.

doh...

Nope. He was on RT. That makes him a Putin supporter. I'm just going by yall's juvenile rules.