Is Russia about to invade Ukraine? (1 Viewer)

[superchuck500]

Russia continues to mass assets within range of Ukraine - though the official explanations are that they are for various exercises. United States intelligence has noted that Russian operatives in Ukraine could launch 'false flag' operations as a predicate to invasion. The West has pressed for negotiations and on Friday in Geneva, the US Sec. State Blinken will meet with the Russian Foreign Minister Lavrov.

Certainly the Russian movements evidence some plan - but what is it? Some analysts believe that Putin's grand scheme involves securing Western commitments that NATO would never expand beyond its current composition. Whether that means action in Ukraine or merely the movement of pieces on the chess board remains to be seen.

VIENNA — No one expected much progress from this past week’s diplomatic marathon to defuse the security crisis Russia has ignited in Eastern Europe by surrounding Ukraine on three sides with 100,000 troops and then, by the White House’s accounting, sending in saboteurs to create a pretext for invasion.

But as the Biden administration and NATO conduct tabletop simulations about how the next few months could unfold, they are increasingly wary of another set of options for President Vladimir V. Putin, steps that are more far-reaching than simply rolling his troops and armor over Ukraine’s border.

Mr. Putin wants to extend Russia’s sphere of influence to Eastern Europe and secure written commitments that NATO will never again enlarge. If he is frustrated in reaching that goal, some of his aides suggested on the sidelines of the negotiations last week, then he would pursue Russia’s security interests with results that would be felt acutely in Europe and the United States.

There were hints, never quite spelled out, that nuclear weapons could be shifted to places — perhaps not far from the United States coastline — that would reduce warning times after a launch to as little as five minutes, potentially igniting a confrontation with echoes of the 1962 Cuban Missile Crisis.

Russia Issues Subtle Threats More Far-Reaching Than a Ukraine Invasion

If the West fails to meet its security demands, Moscow could take measures like placing nuclear missiles close to the U.S. coastline, Russian officials have hinted.

www.nytimes.com

Blinken Will Meet With Russia as U.S. Pushes for More Diplomacy

Secretary of State Antony J. Blinken will meet with Foreign Minister Sergey V. Lavrov of Russia in Geneva on Friday as the United States warns that Russia could soon attack Ukraine.

www.nytimes.com

How to think about war in Ukraine

Start with the Ukrainians

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[LA - L.A.]

...those officials and documents saying NATO was a red line for Russia...

It's been repeatedly proven that no American or NATO official said that the reason Russia invaded Ukraine was because of NATO expanision.

That is a lied started by Putin and Russia that way too many Americans have unfortunately bought into hook, line and sinker.

It's tragic that so many Americans can't see how they are falling for Putin's and Russia's lies that are intended to corrupt and corrode our society and government. Their lies are having the exact effect that Putin and Russia want.

 

[LA - L.A.]

The fight for Ukraine is about control of of the oil and gas in that area as well...

Putin invaded Ukraine for power, wealth and ego.

Conquering Ukraine to control their undeveloped oil and gas is a big part of the wealth reason that Putin invaded Ukraine.

It had nothing to do with NATO expansion for Putin. It didn't matter what the rest of the world did, Putin was always going to make a land, oil, gas, and other natural resources grab in Ukraine. Ukraine was about to pass Russia economically, politically and technologically.

Putin was never going to allow that to happen, even if NATO signed a treaty with Russia promising Russia they would never let Ukraine or any more other European countries into NATO.

 

[LA - L.A.]

What about freedom from other countries supporting a coup in your country and picking your new leader?

It's a lie that the US staged a coup in Ukraine and set up a puppet leader.

This has been proven to be a lie by numerous people several different times.

This poster keeps ignoring the fact it has been proven to be a lie and just keeps repeating the lie.

If anyone besides SaintForLife would like me to post links to when this lie was disproven, I will gladly do so.

 

[MT15]

Seems like 4 years experience dealing with a huge narcissist may have helped the Pentagon reach a smaller narcissist (Moses … er Johnson).

Telling quote, emphasis mine:

“The briefing left a lasting impression, and Johnson became increasingly convinced the fate of Western democracy was on his shoulders, sources close to him said.””

 

[efil4]

Seems like 4 years experience dealing with a huge narcissist may have helped the Pentagon reach a smaller narcissist (Moses … er Johnson).

Telling quote, emphasis mine:

“The briefing left a lasting impression, and Johnson became increasingly convinced the fate of Western democracy was on his shoulders, sources close to him said.””

Or it was presented in such a way that it played into his uber-religous way of thinking to make him believe this to be true and bring the bill to a vote.

Reading the room is an important communication tool.

 

[DaveXA]

So what? I also knew this was what the poster would say, because this is what they constantly do.

This poster keeps playing a circular game. Let me outline it for everyone:

1. The poster makes a claim with a bunch of sources that they alleged proves their claim.
2. More than one person reads their sources in totality.
3. More than one person proves that their own sources either say the opposite of what they claim or they prove that their source is lying.
4. The poster then ignores those posts that prove their claim is false and makes the claim again.
5. People point out that those claims were proven wrong.
6. The poster says "no you didn't, show me specifically."
7. People show the poster specifically where and how they proved the poster's claim is a lie.
8. The poster says "no you didn't, show me specifically."
9. People show the poster for a second time where their claims were proven wrong.
10. The poster says "no you didn't, show me specifically."
11. People show the poster for a third time.
12. The poster says "no you didn't, show me specifically."
13. Rinse and repeat for infinity.

The goal is to just keep saying, "no you didn't, show me specifically," until other people give up. Then they claim, "you would have show me if you could" hoping to trick people into believing that the lies they are spreading.

Don't be tricked and don't believe the lies being spread.

If anyone besides @SaintForLife would like me to post links to all the times that @SaintForLife claims were proven false in this thread, just ask and I'll gladly make the effort.

I will not make the effort for @SaintForLife, because of their own constant behavior.


We will all see if this poster is true to their word.

He's a poster with absolutely zero self-awareness. Posts nothing but propaganda and then expects everyone else to believe that nonsense. He's a troll. I don't even think he believes what he posts. He's doing it to deliberately get a reaction.

 

[SaintForLife]

Imagine how low of an IQ someone must have to think that someone who speaks negatively about US foreign policy and the US war machine can't possibly believe that its true.

How naive can one be to still to think that the one country that meddles in most other countries affairs, is involved in just about every war or military conflict, invades other countries, deposes their leaders with puppets friendly to the US, has interfered with elections in other countries at least 82 times, is doing all those this to protect democracy and for altruistic reasons?

 

[SaintForLife]

Seems like 4 years experience dealing with a huge narcissist may have helped the Pentagon reach a smaller narcissist (Moses … er Johnson).

Telling quote, emphasis mine:

“The briefing left a lasting impression, and Johnson became increasingly convinced the fate of Western democracy was on his shoulders, sources close to him said.””

He's probably lying again

 

[SaintForLife]

The old CIA trick of picking comedians to run countries. A well known, and worn out tactic.

I know it's hard to keep up with numbers when you are as smart as you are, but Nuland was caught picking Ukraine's new leader in 2014 and Zelensky was elected in 2019.

Ukraine crisis: Transcript of leaked Nuland-Pyatt call

A transcript of the alleged conversation between Assistant Secretary of State Victoria Nuland and the US ambassador to Ukraine, Geoffrey Pyatt discussing the crisis in Ukraine.

www.bbc.com

 

[SaintForLife]

Waiving Ukrainian flags on the House floor. It's almost like they forgot what country they represent.

 

[efil4]

I know it's hard to keep up with numbers when you are as smart as you are, but Nuland was caught picking Ukraine's new leader in 2014 and Zelensky was elected in 2019.

Ukraine crisis: Transcript of leaked Nuland-Pyatt call

A transcript of the alleged conversation between Assistant Secretary of State Victoria Nuland and the US ambassador to Ukraine, Geoffrey Pyatt discussing the crisis in Ukraine.

www.bbc.com

I suggest you read that again. Nuland and Pyatt are talking about who they think should be the front runner and that front runner didn't even make it

That's what you call "meddling"? Choosing a front runner? One whose own ideals jives with theirs?

Isn't that how you vote? Picking a candidate that gets as close to your own ideals?

Goodness bro you are awash in conspiracy and cynicism that I haven't seen before. I don't know how you exist daily. You must think the Matrix is real.

 

[efil4]

Waiving Ukrainian flags on the House floor. It's almost like they forgot what country they represent.

Lolol that's a problem for you? That after 5 months of trying to get the GOP to do the right thing, they celebrate the passing of the bill by waving Ukraine flags in support of the passage?

You are indeed a broken, brainwashed man.

 

[SaintForLife]

I suggest you read that again. Nuland and Pyatt are talking about who they think should be the front runner and that front runner didn't even make it

That's what you call "meddling"? Choosing a front runner? One whose own ideals jives with theirs?

Isn't that how you vote? Picking a candidate that gets as close to your own ideals?

Goodness bro you are awash in conspiracy and cynicism that I haven't seen before. I don't know how you exist daily. You must think the Matrix is real.

Yeah it's not like the US interferes in other countries all the time right? Name any other country that has come close to the US in interfering in other countries elections, invading other countries and desposing their leaders, and being involved in as many wars and military conflicts.

 

[efil4]

Yeah it's not like the US interferes in other countries all the time right? Name any other country that has come close to the US in interfering in other countries elections, invading other countries and desposing their leaders, and being involved in as many wars and military conflicts.

Take 5 min to Google Dave DeCamp from Brooklyn. Pay attention to some of the on line media outlets he has contributed to.

Real close attention.

Your rush to find confirmation bias is your folly. You don't even vet the sources if it aligns with your view du jour.

Unbelievably gullible.

 

[SaintForLife]

Take 5 min to Google Dave DeCamp from Brooklyn. Pay attention to some of the on line media outlets he has contributed to.

Real close attention.

Your rush to find confirmation bias is your folly. You don't even vet the sources if it aligns with your view du jour.

Unbelievably gullible.

Dave DeCamp is a country?

 

[bird]

Yeah it's not like the US interferes in other countries all the time right? Name any other country that has come close to the US in interfering in other countries elections, invading other countries and desposing their leaders, and being involved in as many wars and military conflicts.

Again, please respond regarding Russia’s intentions toward Poland regarding Kaliningrad as well as Moldovia and the Baltic States. What the U.S. has or hasn’t done is not the issue here. The only issue is Russia’s attack on Ukraine, period. From the Crimea to the “Special Operation” Putin has invaded a sovereign nation.

Peddle your Russian agitprop somewhere else.

 

[efil4]

Dave DeCamp is a country?

He's more like a rural village.

 

[LA - L.A.]

Imagine how low of an IQ someone must have to think that someone who speaks negatively about US foreign policy and the US war machine can't possibly believe that its true.

Imagine the same thing about anyone who believes anything Putin and Russia say and take Putin and Russia's word over the word of any democracy and freedom supporting country.

Imagine anyone so blind and foolish as to trust the word of a Putin who has repeatedly shown himself to be a liar, not true to his word and a vicious tyrant who imposes censorship by death.

This poster constantly rails about their false claims of a "censorship regime" and how unforgivable it is. Putin censors people by killing them and he censors anyone who dares to contradict him. That's what a "censor regime" really looks like.

How naive can one be to still to think that the one country that meddles in most other countries affairs, is involved in just about every war or military conflict, invades other countries, deposes their leaders with puppets friendly...

These are all things Putin repeatedly does. We have all seen Putin do these things for the past two decades. The whole world has seen Putin do these things over and over and over, so how naive does one have to be to believe and repeat Putin's lies?

Putin won't stop until he's stopped. No matter how imperfect Ukraine, the US and NATO are, we strive to be fair and free.

Putin strives to dominate and oppress, so how naive can one be to still think that Putin can be trusted? How naive does one have to be to blindly and constantly repeat the lies that Putin tells?