Is Russia about to invade Ukraine? (2 Viewers)

[superchuck500]

Russia continues to mass assets within range of Ukraine - though the official explanations are that they are for various exercises. United States intelligence has noted that Russian operatives in Ukraine could launch 'false flag' operations as a predicate to invasion. The West has pressed for negotiations and on Friday in Geneva, the US Sec. State Blinken will meet with the Russian Foreign Minister Lavrov.

Certainly the Russian movements evidence some plan - but what is it? Some analysts believe that Putin's grand scheme involves securing Western commitments that NATO would never expand beyond its current composition. Whether that means action in Ukraine or merely the movement of pieces on the chess board remains to be seen.

VIENNA — No one expected much progress from this past week’s diplomatic marathon to defuse the security crisis Russia has ignited in Eastern Europe by surrounding Ukraine on three sides with 100,000 troops and then, by the White House’s accounting, sending in saboteurs to create a pretext for invasion.

But as the Biden administration and NATO conduct tabletop simulations about how the next few months could unfold, they are increasingly wary of another set of options for President Vladimir V. Putin, steps that are more far-reaching than simply rolling his troops and armor over Ukraine’s border.

Mr. Putin wants to extend Russia’s sphere of influence to Eastern Europe and secure written commitments that NATO will never again enlarge. If he is frustrated in reaching that goal, some of his aides suggested on the sidelines of the negotiations last week, then he would pursue Russia’s security interests with results that would be felt acutely in Europe and the United States.

There were hints, never quite spelled out, that nuclear weapons could be shifted to places — perhaps not far from the United States coastline — that would reduce warning times after a launch to as little as five minutes, potentially igniting a confrontation with echoes of the 1962 Cuban Missile Crisis.

Russia Issues Subtle Threats More Far-Reaching Than a Ukraine Invasion

If the West fails to meet its security demands, Moscow could take measures like placing nuclear missiles close to the U.S. coastline, Russian officials have hinted.

www.nytimes.com

Blinken Will Meet With Russia as U.S. Pushes for More Diplomacy

Secretary of State Antony J. Blinken will meet with Foreign Minister Sergey V. Lavrov of Russia in Geneva on Friday as the United States warns that Russia could soon attack Ukraine.

www.nytimes.com

How to think about war in Ukraine

Start with the Ukrainians

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[SaintForLife]

 

[DaveXA]

Just keep barking like a Russian troll. We all see you.

No one is watching? It's been talked about all week. Smh.

 

[SaintForLife]

 

[DaveXA]

 

[cuddlemonkey]

You can't even adresss those officials and documents saying NATO was a red line for Russia so you fall back to regurgitating the corporate media propaganda. Give yourself a pat on the back!

When did NATO admit Ukraine as a member?

 

[J-DONK]

When did NATO admit Ukraine as a member?

SFL this is for you, since you can't be bothered to go look it up.

https://www.nato.int/cps/en/natolive/official_texts_8443.htm

NATO welcomes Ukraine’s and Georgia’s Euro-Atlantic ASPIRATIONS for membership in NATO. We agreed today that these countries will become members of NATO. Both nations have made valuable contributions to Alliance operations. We welcome the democratic reforms in Ukraine and Georgia and look forward to free and fair parliamentary elections in Georgia in May. MAP is the next step for Ukraine and Georgia on their direct way to membership. Today we make clear that we support these countries’ applications for MAP. Therefore we will now begin a period of intensive engagement with both at a high political level to address the questions still outstanding pertaining to their MAP applications. We have asked Foreign Ministers to make a first assessment of progress at their December 2008 meeting. Foreign Ministers have the authority to decide on the MAP applications of Ukraine and Georgia.

 

[MT15]

Ukraine aid has passed the House in a bipartisan vote.

 

[bird]

You can't even adresss those officials and documents saying NATO was a red line for Russia so you fall back to regurgitating the corporate media propaganda. Give yourself a pat on the back!

When will you address Putin’s plans for Poland regarding Kaliningrad and plans regarding Moldovia? Perhaps you might look into the Baltic states and their opinion of Putin. Maybe Finland would be an appropriate subject.

Either way, it doesn’t matter. Putin invaded, period. He could have piled a schlitz load of men and material on the border and threatened massive retaliation if Ukraine attempted to invade. He did not. His intent was clear from the start and especially after Crimea.

Peddle your Russian agitprop someplace else.

 

[SaintForLife]

The fight for Ukraine is about control of of the oil and gas in that area as well as well as US selling weapons around the world. Russia is in the US's way in reagrd to both.

Or is it really about freedom and democracy? Not quite

 

[bird]

The fight for Ukraine is about control of of the oil and gas in that area as well as well as US selling weapons around the world. Russia is in the US's way in reagrd to both.

Or is it really about freedom and democracy? Not quite

No. The U.S. is the largest producer of oil and gas in the world. Western Europe is turning away from fossil fuels albeit slowing.

Peddle your Russian agitprop somewhere else.

 

[DJ1BigTymer]

Or is it really about freedom and democracy? Not quite

It's about sovereignty and the freedom from being illegally invaded by a hostile nation whose sole intention is land grab.

 

[SaintForLife]

It's about sovereignty and the freedom from being illegally invaded by a hostile nation whose sole intention is land grab.

What about freedom from other countries supporting a coup in your country and picking your new leader?

 

[DJ1BigTymer]

What about freedom from other countries supporting a coup in your country and picking your new leader?

Dumb. Keep ignoring actual documented history and willfully spewing Russian propaganda. What happened to Chechnya, Georgia? What is happening to Moldova, Belarus, and the many other "Stans" that earned their independence from the Soviet Union only to be infiltrated by Russia and converted into Russian oblasts? Was that the US fault as well?

 

[bird]

What about freedom from other countries supporting a coup in your country and picking your new leader?

And yet you rave about corruption.

 

[J-DONK]

What about freedom from other countries supporting a coup in your country and picking your new leader?

The old CIA trick of picking comedians to run countries. A well known, and worn out tactic.

 

[nolaspe]

LMAO... Absolutely glorious, moscow marge can suck it, along w/ the rest of the ruZZian gop agents...

 

[DaveXA]

What about freedom from other countries supporting a coup in your country and picking your new leader?

 

[LA - L.A.]

I knew you wouldn't specifically point out how it was a supposedly a lie.

So what? I also knew this was what the poster would say, because this is what they constantly do.

This poster keeps playing a circular game. Let me outline it for everyone:

1. The poster makes a claim with a bunch of sources that they alleged proves their claim.
2. More than one person reads their sources in totality.
3. More than one person proves that their own sources either say the opposite of what they claim or they prove that their source is lying.
4. The poster then ignores those posts that prove their claim is false and makes the claim again.
5. People point out that those claims were proven wrong.
6. The poster says "no you didn't, show me specifically."
7. People show the poster specifically where and how they proved the poster's claim is a lie.
8. The poster says "no you didn't, show me specifically."
9. People show the poster for a second time where their claims were proven wrong.
10. The poster says "no you didn't, show me specifically."
11. People show the poster for a third time.
12. The poster says "no you didn't, show me specifically."
13. Rinse and repeat for infinity.

The goal is to just keep saying, "no you didn't, show me specifically," until other people give up. Then they claim, "you would have show me if you could" hoping to trick people into believing that the lies they are spreading.

Don't be tricked and don't believe the lies being spread.

If anyone besides @SaintForLife would like me to post links to all the times that @SaintForLife claims were proven false in this thread, just ask and I'll gladly make the effort.

I will not make the effort for @SaintForLife, because of their own constant behavior.

I won't waste any more time responding to your posts.

We will all see if this poster is true to their word.