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    FullMonte

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    Lost in all the news coverage about what's going on in the US right now is this bit of information.

    The Ukrainian government has completed an audit of thousands of case files related to Burisma. Ruslan Ryaboshapka (the prosecutor general), described by Zelenskiy as "100 percent my person" in the July phone call with president Trump said "I specifically asked prosecutors to check especially carefully those facts about Biden's alleged involvement. They answered that there was nothing of the kind."

    Not that anyone SHOULD be surprised to find out that Hunter Biden was not implicated in something that was done by the CEO of Burisma in his role as a government employee, that happened two years before Biden joined the board.

    Ukrainian prosecutors find no evidence against Hunter Biden

    Audit probed energy company Burisma, of which Biden was a board member from 2014-2019
    www.theguardian.com
     
    This morning a former federal prosecutor said they had never seen the gun permit statute prosecuted in the absence of a crime committed with the gun. Seems like a 2-tiered justice system to me?

    I guess we will have to wait and see if there are any further charges, but if it is only the gun permit one, it seems like a real reach.
     
    What a waste of taxpayers money if that is all they have got - and to be honest - unfair treatment of Hunter. He may not be the best person in the world, but no one else would have been put through the same "machine" if his father wasnt the president. He certainly should be punished like all other who do the same but the way the MAGAs have used him - I have no words strong enough.

    Hunter strikes me as a vulnerable person with lots of deamons - his history of drug abuse also supports that. He has broken the law and has to pay for that, but I fear that the way the magas put him through the wringer, is going to cause him serious mental harm long term and maybe send him into a downwards spiral he cant get out of again.
     
    Here is my question. The question he is accused of answering falsely is:

    Are you an unlawful user of, or addicted to, marijuana or any depressant, stimulant, or narcotic drug, or any other controlled substance?

    It doesn’t ask “have you ever been…” In order to convict, wouldn’t prosecutors need to prove that at the time the application was completed, Hunter was addicted to drugs? Can they prove that in court?
     
    When Lunden Roberts needed an expert to help prove that Hunter Biden had the money to keep making substantial child support payments for their 4-year-old daughter, her legal team turned to Garrett Ziegler.

    Ziegler doesn’t have a degree in personal finance. He doesn’t personally know the president’s son. But Ziegler, whose first job out of college was working as a low-level aide in the Trump White House, has fashioned himself into a Hunter Biden specialist, compiling personal and financial records from anywhere he can get them. Then, his nonprofit posts them online.

    Ziegler claims this cache offers the fullest accounting of Hunter Biden’s life, from his battles with drug addiction to his sexual escapades to his business dealings. “In the Western world, I’m confident that nobody has dug into the American first family more than us,” he said recently on YouTube. “I’ve just become obsessed with studying the family.”

    Ziegler, 27, enjoys a following of tens of thousands on social media and the attention of conservative media. He has made himself a chief antagonist of the younger Biden, prompting lawsuits, an Internal Revenue Service complaint and other legal pushback from Hunter Biden’s circle.

    Ziegler is at the vanguard of a sprawling network of Biden antagonists, from right-wing media organizations to congressional leaders to MAGA activists, that is focused intensely on the president’s son. They see Hunter Biden’s activities as his father’s biggest political vulnerability, a conclusion reflected in the House GOP’s recent decision to launch an impeachment inquiry.

    On Wednesday, Hunter Biden sued Ziegler in federal court in California, alleging that the activist had violated privacy laws and calling him “a zealot who has waged a sustained, unhinged and obsessed campaign against [Hunter Biden] and the entire Biden family for more than two years.”

    After Ziegler, who served as a staffer for Trump aide Peter Navarro, a MAGA hard-liner and election denier, left the White House in early 2021, he began focusing his attention on President Biden’s son, turning his formidable energy to unearthing every detail he could.

    Ziegler received some of Hunter Biden’s financial records, saying he got them from someone who worked at Biden’s bank. He has delved into Hunter Biden’s business dealings. He even acquired a copy of the diary of Ashley Biden, Hunter’s sister……

     
    Another question for the legal experts out there.

    Hunter Biden admitted to several things (I'm sure) in his plea agreement. With that agreement voided now, and him facing trial, can prosecutors use those things he admitted to as evidence against him?

    I understand that if he confessed to certain crimes, those admissions should be evidence, but at the same time, it would seem improper for a prosecutor to negotiate a plea agreement, get the defendant to admit to crimes, then withdraw the plea agreement and use that admission as evidence. It would seem to go against the idea of a plea agreement.
     
    Optimus Prime said:
    When Lunden Roberts needed an expert to help prove that Hunter Biden had the money to keep making substantial child support payments for their 4-year-old daughter, her legal team turned to Garrett Ziegler.

    Ziegler doesn’t have a degree in personal finance. He doesn’t personally know the president’s son. But Ziegler, whose first job out of college was working as a low-level aide in the Trump White House, has fashioned himself into a Hunter Biden specialist, compiling personal and financial records from anywhere he can get them. Then, his nonprofit posts them online.

    Ziegler claims this cache offers the fullest accounting of Hunter Biden’s life, from his battles with drug addiction to his sexual escapades to his business dealings. “In the Western world, I’m confident that nobody has dug into the American first family more than us,” he said recently on YouTube. “I’ve just become obsessed with studying the family.”

    Ziegler, 27, enjoys a following of tens of thousands on social media and the attention of conservative media. He has made himself a chief antagonist of the younger Biden, prompting lawsuits, an Internal Revenue Service complaint and other legal pushback from Hunter Biden’s circle.

    Ziegler is at the vanguard of a sprawling network of Biden antagonists, from right-wing media organizations to congressional leaders to MAGA activists, that is focused intensely on the president’s son. They see Hunter Biden’s activities as his father’s biggest political vulnerability, a conclusion reflected in the House GOP’s recent decision to launch an impeachment inquiry.

    On Wednesday, Hunter Biden sued Ziegler in federal court in California, alleging that the activist had violated privacy laws and calling him “a zealot who has waged a sustained, unhinged and obsessed campaign against [Hunter Biden] and the entire Biden family for more than two years.”

    After Ziegler, who served as a staffer for Trump aide Peter Navarro, a MAGA hard-liner and election denier, left the White House in early 2021, he began focusing his attention on President Biden’s son, turning his formidable energy to unearthing every detail he could.

    Ziegler received some of Hunter Biden’s financial records, saying he got them from someone who worked at Biden’s bank. He has delved into Hunter Biden’s business dealings. He even acquired a copy of the diary of Ashley Biden, Hunter’s sister……

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    Sounds like some of the stuff he has acquired was obtained illegally. I wonder if he has any criminal exposure….
     
    bird said:
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    No kidding. Just another drive-by post with no discussion. Nothing. Why did they decline? What was the actual situation? I’m reading some hints that it’s possible the IRS agents messed up the case to the point that it isn’t prosecutable. That Hunter’s rights were violated, rendering some evidence worthless.

    Not confirmed so far, but an interesting theory. Would explain why the IRS was frozen out by the DOJ - they bungled the evidence - and now the IRS agents are pointing fingers at the DOJ to cover up the fact that they blew it. Eventually the facts will come out.
     
    MT15 said:
    No kidding. Just another drive-by post with no discussion. Nothing. Why did they decline? What was the actual situation? I’m reading some hints that it’s possible the IRS agents messed up the case to the point that it isn’t prosecutable. That Hunter’s rights were violated, rendering some evidence worthless.

    Not confirmed so far, but an interesting theory. Would explain why the IRS was frozen out by the DOJ - they bungled the evidence - and now the IRS agents are pointing fingers at the DOJ to cover up the fact that they blew it. Eventually the facts will come out.
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    That's kind of how I feel about the whole Laptop story. If there ever was anything suspicious on the laptop, the chain of custody is so corrupted that it could never be used in court as evidence.
     
    SaintForLife said:
    "No evidence"



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    Ok...let's start with the obvious question. What crime was committted? What was illegal or improper about the payment?

    I love the response tweet "pretends that money from China was for actual work". Ok, so, what was it for then? What evidence is there that it's NOT for actual work?


    and your FoolNelson tweet...what a joke that is. "to stop investigating Burisma." Yet...nowhere in the letter is there any demand, request, or suggestion to stop investigating Burisma. In fact, it says "With this letter, we want to reiterate the Burisma and its officials will fully cooperate with your investigation. That said, we expect that the activities of your offices with regard to Burisma will proceed in accordance with the law and principles of due process and fairness." So, not only do they NOT ask the investigation to stop, they say that they will cooperate and that they expect the investigaiton to proceed.

    What they DO ask the government to stop doing, is making allegations of criminal activities without providing evidence of such.
     
    FullMonte said:
    Ok...let's start with the obvious question. What crime was committted? What was illegal or improper about the payment?
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    That's not a question that's supposed to be asked. We just need to assume it was an illegal transaction.

    James Comer is so tiresome. He's a broken clock and he isn't even right 2 times a day.
     
    Their entire investigation is a complete clown show. It’s too bad that we have members who swallow all this crap as if it is in any way indicative of anything.

    SFL: all of this is just crap. It doesn’t matter how many disingenuous tweets and walls of words you put up. All you need is common sense and the ability to see past your own biases to look at the truth. But you seem to be incapable of doing that.

    I would love it if you could even try to answer Monte’s questions: Here I will retype them for you.

    1. What crime is indicated by the fact that Hunter listed his parents’ address for a home address on a wire transfer? You do realize that doesn’t mean in any way that the money went to that address?

    2. Where in the letter does it say to stop investigating Burisma?

    and a bonus one from me:

    3. What is suspicious about a company cooperating with investigators, paying all relevant fees, which results in a closed investigation?
     

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