How to improve American Education in 2021. (4 Viewers)

[Paul]

The most recent PISA results, from 2015, placed the U.S. an unimpressive 38th out of 71 countries in math and 24th in science. Among the 35 members of the Organization for Economic Cooperation and Development, which sponsors the PISA initiative, the U.S. ranked 30th in math and 19th in science.

U.S. students’ academic achievement still lags that of their peers in many other countries

American students continue to rank around the middle of the pack, and behind many other advanced industrial nations, in international assessments of math, science and reading.

www.pewresearch.org

My suggestion is rather simple.

1. Study why immigrants from East Asia, India, and Nigeria do well with American education. Apply that insight to other groups (if possible).
2. Manage public schools as if though they were private schools with uniforms and discipline.
3. Create high end special schools for those that are truly disenfranchised.
4. Create a force of social workers to treat family dysfunction with regards to education.
5. Reduce the curriculum to the simple basics and repeat that on a yearly basis.
6. At about 10th grade divide college bound students away from non-college bound.
7. Provide solid basic education and trade training for non-college bound kids. There is no point in offering free college to these kids.

 

[Farb]

It should be. Birth control too. Humans should have body autonomy. Your analogy is akin to comparing 17 year olds giving themself insulin to them giving themselves heroine.

this post is an example of a false equivalency logical fallacy. Your posts sure do have a lot of logical fallacies.

More on this logical fallacy here:

Got it, So 8 year olds should be able to get tattoos if they feel like it. Strange take but not all that surprising.

 

[Port City JJ]

Got it, So 8 year olds should be able to get tattoos if they feel like it. Strange take but not all that surprising.

First, in some African cultures tattooing children is part of religious ceremonies and sometimes they are certain rites of passage. 8 year olds should have body autonomy, trying to forcibly create some analog scenarios has you doing some weird stuff.

Secondly, you are doing it wrong. I did not make any equivalencies. I answered your direct question and then compounded my answer by expanding it.

You just created a new strawman.

Straw Man​

A straw man argument attacks a different subject rather than the topic being discussed — often a more extreme version of the counter argument. The purpose of this misdirection is to make one's position look stronger than it actually is.

More on this logical fallacy here.

Again, I have asked that you read up on these repetitive logical fallacy. It is difficult to debate and discuss some who does not under stand logic. I am not trying to be ugly, you it's exhausting. Please review these common logical fallacies and consider them before regurgitating parroted talking points.

We look forward to some of your own individual logically concluded discussion of data on these and other topics.

 

[MT15]

Do you think 17 year olds should be able to do porn if they decide to? What about hard drugs?

You know, for a libertarian you sure have a lot of ideas about who should be allowed to do what. Also, these questions are completely unrelated to what we are talking about.

It’s okay to realize that 17 is not an age where parents actually have control over daily activities. I mean, unless you keep your kid locked up. by 17 you have to use persuasive methods, and hope like hell they have absorbed your basic values. You have to trust them to a certain degree, and keep communication open. Most importantly, you have to listen to them and be aware of who their friends are and what they are doing and feeling.

 

[Port City JJ]

You know, for a libertarian you sure have a lot of ideas about who should be allowed to do what. Also, these questions are completely unrelated to what we are talking about.

It’s okay to realize that 17 is not an age where parents actually have control over daily activities. I mean, unless you keep your kid locked up. by 17 you have to use persuasive methods, and hope like hell they have absorbed your basic values. You have to trust them to a certain degree, and keep communication open. Most importantly, you have to listen to them and be aware of who their friends are and what they are doing and feeling.

and WHO is denying a 17 year old reasonable medical treatment they are asking for.

Like vaccines..

 

[MT15]

This poor kid’s parents, evidently.

 

[Farb]

So, a teacher, with no understanding of what the kids medical history is can decide, on her own to inject a drug into a 17 year old? What would be the difference between tattoos, drugs and elective surgery? All of that would fall under bodily autonomy would it not?

 

[Farb]

This poor kid’s parents, evidently.

How many 17 year olds have died due to covid?

So basically, you guys would be ok with the school nurse administering the vaccine without parental consent? Is that a fair statement?

 

[Port City JJ]

How many 17 year olds have died due to covid?

So basically, you guys would be ok with the school nurse administering the vaccine without parental consent? Is that a fair statement?

Man if you tried reading as hard as you try to put words in people’s mouth, you may learn some stuff.

I’m saying, unequivocally, Your theoretical 17-year-old should be able to decide for themselves if they are getting the vaccine or not. They should have body autonomy.

 

[Farb]

Man if you tried reading as hard as you try to put words in people’s mouth, you may learn some stuff.

I’m saying, unequivocally, Your theoretical 17-year-old should be able to decide for themselves if they are getting the vaccine or not. They should have body autonomy.

So they can also decide if they want an elective surgery as well, correct?

 

[MT15]

How many 17 year olds have died due to covid?

So basically, you guys would be ok with the school nurse administering the vaccine without parental consent? Is that a fair statement?

i answered your question. Did you not see it?

 

[Port City JJ]

So they can also decide if they want an elective surgery as well, correct?

false equivalency again.

But since you still don’t seem to understand my position, if the 17-year-old has the money to pay for their elective surgery, I believe they should have body autonomy.

 

[brandon]

So basically, you guys would be ok with the school nurse administering the vaccine without parental consent? Is that a fair statement?

If the kid wanted it and the parent wouldn’t get it for them, assuming there were no issues in the kid’s medical history that would preclude getting the shot, I would absolutely be in favor of this.

If the kid had cancer and the parents didn’t believe in chemotherapy, I’d also be in favor of the kid being able to get chemotherapy without the parents’ permission.

 

[Farb]

false equivalency again.

But since you still don’t seem to understand my position, if the 17-year-old has the money to pay for their elective surgery, I believe they should have body autonomy.

What about 15? I am only trying to see when you think a child is old enough mentally to make informed decision and when he is not.

 

[Farb]

i answered your question. Did you not see it?

I didn't really understand the answer. I am not that bright remember. So at 17, they can make decision about their body without parental consent? Yes or no?

 

[SystemShock]

What about 15? I am only trying to see when you think a child is old enough mentally to make informed decision and when he is not.

How do you feel about Sunday school? Do you think 6 year olds are old enough to make an informed decision on whether to believe in a particular indoctrination?

 

[Farb]

How do you feel about Sunday school? Do you think 6 year olds are old enough to make an informed decision on whether to believe in a particular indoctrination?

I have been instructed that is a false equivalency. But, in good faith, I will answer.

At 6? No, they are not old enough. They still believe in Santa.

Are they old enough to decide to whether to go to school and believe in that particular indoctrination? Again no.

Parents have to make decision for their children so they turn out to be good people and productive members of society. Also, school whether that is religious or secular does not have a physical effect on their body like drugs, surgeries or the like.

 

[SystemShock]

I have been instructed that is a false equivalency. But, in good faith, I will answer.

The thread is about education, not about tattoos or elective surgery, so I just sought to bring it back to something that resembles the OP.

At 6? No, they are not old enough. They still believe in Santa.

Are they old enough to decide to whether to go to school and believe in that particular indoctrination? Again no.

That answers the question.
Just out of curiosity, are you opposed to Sunday school?

Also, school whether that is religious or secular does not have a physical effect on their body like drugs, surgeries or the like.

On the contrary, it can have dire physical effects on their bodies, when they do things like refusing blood transfusions, refusing vaccines, or storming Capitol buildings based on their religious beliefs.

 

[Port City JJ]

I didn't really understand the answer. I am not that bright remember. So at 17, they can make decision about their body without parental consent? Yes or no?

BODY AUTONOMY

I have been instructed that is a false equivalency. But, in good faith, I will answer.

I'm so proud of your growth!

Good job!