How to improve American Education in 2021. (2 Viewers)

[Paul]

The most recent PISA results, from 2015, placed the U.S. an unimpressive 38th out of 71 countries in math and 24th in science. Among the 35 members of the Organization for Economic Cooperation and Development, which sponsors the PISA initiative, the U.S. ranked 30th in math and 19th in science.

U.S. students’ academic achievement still lags that of their peers in many other countries

American students continue to rank around the middle of the pack, and behind many other advanced industrial nations, in international assessments of math, science and reading.

www.pewresearch.org

My suggestion is rather simple.

1. Study why immigrants from East Asia, India, and Nigeria do well with American education. Apply that insight to other groups (if possible).
2. Manage public schools as if though they were private schools with uniforms and discipline.
3. Create high end special schools for those that are truly disenfranchised.
4. Create a force of social workers to treat family dysfunction with regards to education.
5. Reduce the curriculum to the simple basics and repeat that on a yearly basis.
6. At about 10th grade divide college bound students away from non-college bound.
7. Provide solid basic education and trade training for non-college bound kids. There is no point in offering free college to these kids.

 

[Optimus Prime]

Not sure if this is better here or the Loyalist thread
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MISSION, Kan. (AP) — What students are learning about the insurrection at the U.S. Capitol on Jan. 6 may depend on where they live.

In a Boston suburb in heavily Democratic Massachusetts, history teacher Justin Voldman said his students will spend the day journaling about what happened and talking about the fragility of democracy.

“I feel really strongly that this needs to be talked about,” said Voldman, who teaches history at Natick High School, 15 miles (24 kilometers) west of Boston.

As the grandson of a Holocaust survivor, he said “it is fair to draw parallels between what happened on Jan. 6 and the rise of fascism.”

Voldman said he feels fortunate: “There are other parts of the country where ... I would be scared to be a teacher.”

Liz Wagner, an eighth and ninth grade social studies teacher in a Des Moines suburb of increasingly Republican Iowa, got an email from an administrator last year, warning teachers to be careful in how they framed the discussion.


“I guess I was so, I don’t know if naïve is the appropriate word, perhaps exhausted from the pandemic teaching year last year, to understand how controversial this was going to be,” she said.

Some students questioned Wagner last year when she referred to what happened as an insurrection. She responded by having them read the dictionary definition for the word.

This year, she will probably show students videos of the protest and ask them to write about what the footage shows…….

Teachers now are left to decide how — or whether — to instruct their students about the events that sit at the heart of the country’s division. And the lessons sometimes vary based on whether they are in a red state or a blue state.

Facing History and Ourselves, a nonprofit that helps teachers with difficult lessons on subjects like the Holocaust, offered tips on how to broach the topic with students in the hours after the riot.

Within 18 hours of publication, it had 100,000 page views — a level of interest that Abby Weiss, who oversees the development of the nonprofit’s teaching tools, said was unlike anything the group has seen before.


In the year that has followed, Weiss said, Republican lawmakers and governors in many states have championed legislation to limit the teaching of material that explores how race and racism influence American politics, culture and law.

“Teachers are anxious,” she said. “On the face of it, if you read the laws, they’re quite vague and, you know, hard to know actually what’s permissible and what isn’t.”……

Teachers at culture war front lines with Jan. 6 education

Teachers have found themselves on the front lines of the culture wars as the anniversary of the insurrection at the U.S. Capitol arrives.

apnews.com

 

[Farb]

https://newyork.cbslocal.com/2022/01/04/laura-russo-arrested-unauthorized-vaccine-injection/

SEA CLIFF, N.Y. (CBSNewYork) — A Long Island woman who is not a medical worker and not authorized to administer vaccines was arrested after police say she gave a teenager what was believed to be a coronavirus shot in her living room.

As CBS2’s Jennifer McLogan reported Monday, inside a landmark, Victorian-latticed 1882 Sea Cliff home, a 54-year-old biology teacher with no medical qualifications was arrested for allegedly inoculating a teenage without his parental permission.

I have zero doubt she bragged about this to her peers or online to virtue signal and that led to her getting arrested.

 

[MT15]

Lol, or it could be the kid told their friends, at least one of whom told their parents. But don’t let that get in the way of the little story you have cooked up to soothe yourself.

Also, can it truly be virtue signaling when she actually did something? I thought virtue signaling was just talking to make yourself seem “virtuous”?

 

[xpuma20x]

I have zero doubt she bragged about this to her peers or online to virtue signal and that led to her getting arrested.

It says in the article that the teen went home and told their parent, who contacted the police.

 

[Farb]

Lol, or it could be the kid told their friends, at least one of whom told their parents. But don’t let that get in the way of the little story you have cooked up to soothe yourself.

Also, can it truly be virtue signaling when she actually did something? I thought virtue signaling was just talking to make yourself seem “virtuous”?

Do you think this was a good idea? Should she be punished or did she do the responsible thing?

 

[CoolBrees]

If she is not a medical provider and certified to give injections, then yes she deserves to be prosecuted.

 

[Farb]

If she is not a medical provider and certified to give injections, then yes she deserves to be prosecuted.

what about the fact that there was no parental consent?

 

[CoolBrees]

What about it?

 

[Farb]

What about it?

Is this a case of doing the wrong thing for right reason/wrong thing for the greater good?

 

[CoolBrees]

I don’t know. What do you think?

 

[MT15]

Do you think this was a good idea? Should she be punished or did she do the responsible thing?

No, in the sense that she shouldn’t have done it without parental consent, it wasn’t a good idea. I don’t believe she deserves to do hard time or anything though. I’m sure the local authorities will handle it appropriately.

I do feel sympathy for the 17 year old. That’s old enough to make this sort of decision.

I remember when I was in high school there were certain doctors in town known to prescribe birth control pills even if you were only 17. I think parents need to actually talk to a 17 year old, and take their views about their bodies into consideration.

 

[Port City JJ]

The most recent PISA results, from 2015, placed the U.S. an unimpressive 38th out of 71 countries in math and 24th in science. Among the 35 members of the Organization for Economic Cooperation and Development, which sponsors the PISA initiative, the U.S. ranked 30th in math and 19th in science.

U.S. students’ academic achievement still lags that of their peers in many other countries

American students continue to rank around the middle of the pack, and behind many other advanced industrial nations, in international assessments of math, science and reading.

www.pewresearch.org

My suggestion is rather simple.

1. Study why immigrants from East Asia, India, and Nigeria do well with American education. Apply that insight to other groups (if possible).
2. Manage public schools as if though they were private schools with uniforms and discipline.
3. Create high end special schools for those that are truly disenfranchised.
4. Create a force of social workers to treat family dysfunction with regards to education.
5. Reduce the curriculum to the simple basics and repeat that on a yearly basis.
6. At about 10th grade divide college bound students away from non-college bound.
7. Provide solid basic education and trade training for non-college bound kids. There is no point in offering free college to these kids.

1. The education received in America is clearly segregated by socio-economic resources. Wealthy school districts do better than poor school districts and its by a HUGE margin (I can dive off into the why later) Generally speaking East Asia, India, and Nigeria families are coming over on work visas for jobs in the medical and tech sector that pay well. So these students are likely to disproportionately be in high socio-economic school districts.

2. That's not an achievable (nor-desirable) goal because private schools can just kick out "troubled kids" who sometimes are suffering from trauma (I can explain about ACES later) and families in poverty shouldn't be burdened to purchase uniforms.

3. Pulling these achieving kids out of their neighborhood schools to attend special schools for disenfranchised kids results in less money for the neighborhood schools and the students suffer there as a result.

4. Absolutely agree, this a a HUGE need in education (and society) based on Maslow's hierarchy of needs, the biggest problems in American education are kids who are dealing with trauma have an incredibly difficult time being effective students and don't get treated equitably by most school systems.

5. This is opposite of current educational theory that says challenging and rigorous curriculum promote more and deeper learning than "reducing" or "simplifying" curriculum.

6. Most places are doing this already to some level. There are different diploma paths in Louisiana. There is the TOPS university Diploma for kids planning to attend college, where they take courses focusing on college preparation, and TOPS Jump Start for kids not expected to go to college to prepare them for the work force. They take classes that help them be workforce ready at graduation.

7. Absolutely agree we should be offering trade classes in high school kids can learn plumbing, electric, carpentry, automotive skills before they graduate.

 

[Farb]

No, in the sense that she shouldn’t have done it without parental consent, it wasn’t a good idea. I don’t believe she deserves to do hard time or anything though. I’m sure the local authorities will handle it appropriately.

I do feel sympathy for the 17 year old. That’s old enough to make this sort of decision.

I remember when I was in high school there were certain doctors in town known to prescribe birth control pills even if you were only 17. I think parents need to actually talk to a 17 year old, and take their views about their bodies into consideration.

Do you think 17 year olds should be able to do porn if they decide to? What about hard drugs?

 

[Port City JJ]

Do you think 17 year olds should be able to do porn if they decide to? What about hard drugs?

this post is an example of a false equivalency logical fallacy. Your posts sure do have a lot of logical fallacies.

More on this logical fallacy here:

 

[Farb]

correlation between age and being old enough to make a decision to inject things or misuse their body is logical fallacy? Again, I just am too dumb to understand that level of thinking. I apologize.

 

[Port City JJ]

correlation between age and being old enough to make a decision to inject things or misuse their body is logical fallacy? Again, I just am too dumb to understand that level of thinking. I apologize.

you compared legal activities at 17 to illegal activities.

 

[Farb]

you compared legal activities at 17 to illegal activities.

Giving a minor medication without parental consent is illegal, is it not? The fact the teacher was 'arrested' should help answer that question for you.

 

[Port City JJ]

Giving a minor medication without parental consent is illegal, is it not? The fact the teacher was 'arrested' should help answer that question for you.

legal? It should be. Birth control too. Humans should have body autonomy. Your analogy is akin to comparing 17 year olds giving themself insulin to them giving themselves heroine.