GOP chaos barrels toward federal shutdown (1 Viewer)

[superchuck500]

Yesterday Mike Johnson announced a CR for the House to pass - to continue funding through March (so the new Congress can take it up) and provide additional disaster relief. It also includes a raise for Congress.

Today Trump blasted the resolution and Elon threatened anyone who votes for it with being voted out of office. He also said the GOP shouldn’t vote on anything until Trump is in office - which means a shutdown of about a month.

Trump is already responsible for the longest shut down in history (35 days) - welcome back to Trump chaos.

Current funding expires at midnight on Friday (Saturday morning).

Mike Johnson Faces Growing GOP Backlash As Elon Musk Calls For Government Shutdown

Johnson's push for a short-term government funding bill met louder resistance than usual from Republicans in the House.

www.huffpost.com

 

[Texan1211]

This isn't a real answer.

The heck it isn't.
Once again, you don't like the answer so you claim you didn't get a "real" one. Not everyone is going to agree with you all the time.

 

[J-DONK]

The heck it isn't.
Once again, you don't like the answer so you claim you didn't get a "real" one. Not everyone is going to agree with you all the time.

I never said we needed to agree, nor was that my goal. I pointed out you are wrong. That was my goal.

You probably got that line about pork from Elon, or Vivek. They both mentioned "pork spending", and then you regurgitate it here because you have no idea.

Am I suppossed to go against all evidence and pretend you are a well informed person?

 

[Texan1211]

I never said we needed to agree, nor was that my goal. I pointed out you are wrong. That was my goal.

You probably got that line about pork from Elon, or Vivek. They both mentioned "pork spending", and then you regurgitate it here because you have no idea.

Am I suppossed to go against all evidence and pretend you are a well informed person?

Just pretend like you have been, it really is working for ya!
/s

 

[superchuck500]

That's one problem with DC, it seemingly is NEVER time to change and be fiscally responsible.

This just dismisses and ignores the reality that the time is NOT two days before a shut down, two weeks before a new Congress and four weeks before an inauguration. When nothing has been introduced or debated.

Do a clean CR (just continue funding at current levels), add disaster funding because it is essential and won’t come from anywhere else - and set it to expire in February or March. Then start immediately on real funding proposals when the new Congress starts.

That’s how adults would do it.

 

[UncleTrvlingJim]

This just dismisses and ignores the reality that the time is NOT two days before a shut down, two weeks before a new Congress and four weeks before an inauguration. When nothing has been introduced or debated.

Do a clean CR (just continue funding at current levels), add disaster funding because it is essential and won’t come from anywhere else - and set it to expire in February or March. Then start immediately on real funding proposals when the new Congress starts.

That’s how adults would do it.

That would assume that the goal is to produce a functioning efficient government. But that is not the point. The chaos is the point. The dysfunction is the point.

I get the frustration with the lack of progress made on fiscal responsibility. But then stop voting for people who keep lying to you about it. They KNOW they can't cut the deficit withot raising taxes and/or massive cuts to defense, social security and medicare. They just don't want to do those things. So stop voting for them. Even if they make you scared that a trans person might use the bathroom you don't personally approve of.

 

[superchuck500]

That would assume that the goal is to produce a functioning efficient government. But that is not the point. The chaos is the point. The dysfunction is the point.

I get the frustration with the lack of progress made on fiscal responsibility. But then stop voting for people who keep lying to you about it. They KNOW they can't cut the deficit withot raising taxes and/or massive cuts to defense, social security and medicare. They just don't want to do those things. So stop voting for them. Even if they make you scared that a trans person might use the bathroom you don't personally approve of.

I think we're already seeing the fundamental disconnect that Trump is not, in any way shape or form, a fiscal conservative. He never has been and he just doesn't seem to care that much about it. He wants deep tax cuts for the wealthy and for businesses regardless of the impact on the debt, and his primary policies expand the federal government, not reduce it. He has never really put his personal stamp on any meaningful fiscally conservative position or measure . . . even DOGE is something he seems to be on-board with as a sales pitch, knowing that it doesn't really tie him to anything.

And while a large portion the GOP in Congress are willing to back Trump no matter the substance, there are enough true fiscal conservatives who take it very seriously - and they are going to be expecting movement on this issue now that the party is in control. But the problem is going to be the lack of congruity here with Trump. It's going to be a very interesting issue over the next four years.

I read this morning that Russell Vought (Trump's choice for OMB) is meeting with the Speaker this morning. I do think that he is indeed a fiscal hawk and may be able win over some of the 38 that voted against the proposal yesterday to get on-board with some CR on the promise that he's going to be in their camp. But even that doesn't mean that Trump will be.

 

[superchuck500]

Trump in LyingLiar mode this morning - because somehow the GOP's failure to pass a budget resolution is a "Biden problem".

Donald J. Trump (@realDonaldTrump)

If there is going to be a shutdown of government, let it begin now, under the Biden Administration, not after January 20th, under “TRUMP.” This is a Biden problem to solve, but if Republicans can help solve it, they will!

truthsocial.com

 

[superchuck500]

So Johnson says the House is going to vote on another measure this morning.

If that fails I think the question will become does the Senate pass a clean CR (with some disaster funding) and then send it over to the House for vote? That could end up in a position where the Democrats and a handful of GOP pass it just to avoid the shutdown.

That of course would be egg on Johnson's face and I suspect Thune and the other senators are telling him that he's got this morning to make it happen, otherwise they're going to be the adults.

 

[superchuck500]

New vote at 10am or so - per House member

House Freedom Caucus member says voting will happen at 10 a.m. ET, but offers no details​

From CNN's Sarah Ferris
Republican Rep. Anna Paulina Luna told reporters that the House will vote at 10 a.m. ET but would not disclose any details about the plan.
Luna’s remarks came as she briefly emerged from a meeting with key House Republicans and Vice President-elect JD Vance. Luna is a Freedom Caucus member who has been part of the talks to avert a shutdown tonight at midnight.
“We’re not cutting deals with Democrats, we are going to work it out here. I do not believe the government is going to be shutting down. You guys will see some great stuff, very similar to President Trump’s plan last night,” she said before re-entering Johnson’s office.

 

[SaintRob]

Democrats typically prioritize spending on initiatives that benefit ordinary people, such as healthcare, infrastructure, and education. In contrast, Republicans often focus on defense and policing. Meanwhile, the MAGA faction directs most of its spending toward tax cuts, which overwhelmingly benefit the wealthiest 1%.

So why does Trump, who claims that debt is bad and blames it entirely on Democrats, now push for a massive increase in the debt ceiling? The answer is simple: he promised his billionaire donors he would extend their enormous tax cuts, which have already added $3 trillion to the U.S. debt. Once again, the burden of these policies falls on the public, while the wealthiest reap the rewards.

This is what concerns me the most. Trump is asking for NO debt ceiling. Think about that for a minute. He wants no debt ceiling and he's putting friends in cabinet positions who have no experience or expertise to make those positions successful. The only "qualification" is blind loyalty to Trump. Now we have the possibility of Elon Musk as Speaker of the house - or at very worst, Trump's influencer. How in the world is this government of, for, and by the people? This is shaping up to be a wealth redistribution and oligarchy in the making. The founding fathers are turning over in their graves.

 

[Texan1211]

This just dismisses and ignores the reality that the time is NOT two days before a shut down, two weeks before a new Congress and four weeks before an inauguration. When nothing has been introduced or debated.

Didn't dismiss it, didn't ignore it. When is the time???
I am not supporting shutting down the government, I want solutions. We all know what is going to happen here, don't we?
Both sides are going to huff and puff and bray to the public, and then when a deal finally gets made, dollars to donuts it will be some pork-filled garbage that has nothing to do with the CR.
Business as usual.

 

[UncleTrvlingJim]

Didn't dismiss it, didn't ignore it. When is the time???
I am not supporting shutting down the government, I want solutions. We all know what is going to happen here, don't we?
Both sides are going to huff and puff and bray to the public, and then when a deal finally gets made, dollars to donuts it will be some pork-filled garbage that has nothing to do with the CR.
Business as usual.

The time is months in advance... work on it, convince people you're right. Compromise where it makes sense. Make deals as well.

You don't have a fiscal conservative party in Washington. You never have. You just have one party that lies to you about it and then tries to distract you with meaningless social issues while never being serious about it.

 

[superchuck500]

Didn't dismiss it, didn't ignore it. When is the time???
I am not supporting shutting down the government, I want solutions. We all know what is going to happen here, don't we?
Both sides are going to huff and puff and bray to the public, and then when a deal finally gets made, dollars to donuts it will be some pork-filled garbage that has nothing to do with the CR.
Business as usual.

Yes, all of that is true - but there is still a time and not a time. Just because they don't ever actually do it doesn't mean that there don't remain qualitatively appropriate and inappropriate times to do it. Right now is a terrible time to spring it on the process.

And I agree that sliding pork or other measures in there is also bad form right now. Just get this done clean and set it up for proper handling.

 

[UncleTrvlingJim]

I think we're already seeing the fundamental disconnect that Trump is not, in any way shape or form, a fiscal conservative. He never has been and he just doesn't seem to care that much about it. He wants deep tax cuts for the wealthy and for businesses regardless of the impact on the debt, and his primary policies expand the federal government, not reduce it. He has never really put his personal stamp on any meaningful fiscally conservative position or measure . . . even DOGE is something he seems to be on-board with as a sales pitch, knowing that it doesn't really tie him to anything.

And while a large portion the GOP in Congress are willing to back Trump no matter the substance, there are enough true fiscal conservatives who take it very seriously - and they are going to be expecting movement on this issue now that the party is in control. But the problem is going to be the lack of congruity here with Trump. It's going to be a very interesting issue over the next four years.

I read this morning that Russell Vought (Trump's choice for OMB) is meeting with the Speaker this morning. I do think that he is indeed a fiscal hawk and may be able win over some of the 38 that voted against the proposal yesterday to get on-board with some CR on the promise that he's going to be in their camp. But even that doesn't mean that Trump will be.

He's not what has generally been considered a conservative (at least in the William F. Buckley/George Will vein). He doesn't care about the deficit at all. He also doesn't care about a limited government. Or about using American power to stem the advancement of authoritarian regimes. Those were some of the main tentpoles of conservatism, and he doesn't care about any of those.

He represents where the Republican party has actually been going the last 30+ years, while paying lip service to the above... a reactionary force to social change. A desire to keep things socially the same (gays firmly in the closet, ignore any racial injustices in the past and hope they go away, while also hoping the racial make up doesn't change much, that sort of thing)

 

[Neworleansfan]

The way the market is reacting, looks like they might have a deal.

 

[Texan1211]

The time is months in advance... work on it, convince people you're right. Compromise where it makes sense. Make deals as well.

You don't have a fiscal conservative party in Washington. You never have. You just have one party that lies to you about it and then tries to distract you with meaningless social issues while never being serious about it.

I have repeatedly stated that there are no fiscal conservatives with any power, no matter what party they belong to so I do think you ate addressing that to the wrong person.

 

[UncleTrvlingJim]

I have repeatedly stated that there are no fiscal conservatives with any power, no matter what party they belong to so I do think you ate addressing that to the wrong person.

Probably... good chance I'm lumping you in with other fiscal conservatives I know. They keep voting for Republicans but never really articulate (in a way that makes sense to me) why, other than their belief for smaller government.

 

[superchuck500]

New plan - three bills, and Trump's debt ceiling hopes are dashed for now.

CNN:
Three bills: The Republican leadership now wants to hold separate votes on a three-month government funding bill, a $100 billion disaster package and a $10 billion farm aid bill.

No debt limit: The GOP is unlikely to hold a separate vote on the debt limit, the politically fraught issue that President-elect Donald Trump injected into the negotiations when he tanked an original bipartisan deal earlier this week. Trump has said he wants the debt limit addressed while President Joe Biden is still in office, but a separate vote on the issue is not currently part of the latest plan, the Republican sources said.

A vote tonight or tomorrow: It’s unclear when the House will vote or how many Democratic votes they will need to assist with passage.