GOP chaos barrels toward federal shutdown (5 Viewers)

[superchuck500]

Yesterday Mike Johnson announced a CR for the House to pass - to continue funding through March (so the new Congress can take it up) and provide additional disaster relief. It also includes a raise for Congress.

Today Trump blasted the resolution and Elon threatened anyone who votes for it with being voted out of office. He also said the GOP shouldn’t vote on anything until Trump is in office - which means a shutdown of about a month.

Trump is already responsible for the longest shut down in history (35 days) - welcome back to Trump chaos.

Current funding expires at midnight on Friday (Saturday morning).

Mike Johnson Faces Growing GOP Backlash As Elon Musk Calls For Government Shutdown

Johnson's push for a short-term government funding bill met louder resistance than usual from Republicans in the House.

www.huffpost.com

 

[Dragon]

Denying that both parties have worked to shut down the government at times is really ignorant because there are lots of sources for you to use.
I see the difference is that I can see the Republicans' fault in all of it while you can't see any in Democrats.
Here is one source for you but feel free to look for others:

A history of government shutdowns: The 14 times funding has lapsed since 1980

With just days until the deadline to keep the government open, here's a look at the 14 shutdowns that have occurred since 1980.

www.cbsnews.com

No need to panic, the government shutdowns rarely last too long, as Congress-critters must bring home the bacon.
This clearly isn't the first shutdown, nor will it be the last.

The lengthy government shutdown in 2018 was driven by a standoff between Republicans and Democrats, sparked by Trump’s demand for billions to fund his border wall. This time, Trump is pushing to raise the debt limit (further increasing the national debt) to fulfill his promise of extending tax cuts for the wealthiest 1%—a move that even some Republican House members find unacceptable. Adding to the drama, Elon Musk has vowed to financially support challengers against any member who votes against the plan. And the democrats have no reasons to bail the republican majority out. So, the question is: which party is truly for sale?

 

[Texan1211]

That doesn't prove your point

Oh, but it does, and if you had read the link you would (hopefully) note the party of the President, the Senate majority, and House majority. Do you really think Democrats have never shut down the government? Are you that naive?

From my standpoint as a Democrat voter, I don't want Democrats to stand in Republicans way. Give them and the American people everything they voted for. That way at least we can know what fruits their policies produce and no body can blame Democrats for it.

Looks like the American public were willing to give the Republicans another try after the Democrats took their turn.
It will swing back and forth as it always has done.

 

[Texan1211]

So, the question is: which party is truly for sale?

Both, thinking otherwise exhibits insanity.
Both parties do whatever benefits them financially and/or with voters.
Why pretend they don't?

 

[coldseat]

Oh, but it does, and if you had read the link you would (hopefully) note the party of the President, the Senate majority, and House majority. Do you really think Democrats have never shut down the government? Are you that naive?

You have a serious lack of reading comprehension and understanding. I read the link, that's why I made comments about what was in the link (i.e. the context).

Looks like the American public were willing to give the Republicans another try after the Democrats took their turn.

Looks like. My opinion of the American public isn't high.

 

[Dragon]

Both, thinking otherwise exhibits insanity.
Both parties do whatever benefits them financially and/or with voters.
Why pretend they don't?

The "both sides" argument is tired and misleading. Be honest and admit that you support Trump.

Yes, Democrats work to advance policies that benefit their voters, but only the MAGA faction resorts to billionaire-backed threats and funding primary challengers to punish anyone who dares to disagree with Trump. That’s not democracy—it’s the behavior of wannabe oligarchs. These individuals are driven by a desire to dismantle unions, block affordable healthcare, and strip away workers' and environmental protections. They seek to eliminate regulations, allowing them to exploit people and the planet without facing any accountability.

 

[DJ1BigTymer]

Both, thinking otherwise exhibits insanity.
Both parties do whatever benefits them financially and/or with voters.
Why pretend they don't?

Yawn. More bothsideism from you.

While we still have a President in office that is a Democrat, we had a congress that has accomplished plenty by working in a bi-partisan effort. Now, once again, trump has thwarted another bi-partisan agreement that was built through a democratic process with the D's & R's working TOGETHER to find solutions.

This is just another example of trump turning his back on democracy because he sees it as a roadblock to do what he wants, not what the people wants.


IT IS NOT ABOUT BOTH SIDES!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

[Texan1211]

You have a serious lack of reading comprehension and understanding. I read the link, that's why I made comments about what was in the link (i.e. the context).


Looks like. My opinion of the American public isn't high.

Then you KNOW both have shut it down.
Your opinion of Americans is duly noted.

 

[Texan1211]

The "both sides" argument is tired and misleading. Be honest and admit that you support Trump.

If that is the best you can come up with, what is the point? I didn't vote for Trump, don't like many things he does, and support him no more than I supported Biden.
Btw, if you are going to tell me who I support and what I think, you don't need my participation in your fantasy. Have fun arguing points you invent for others.

 

[Texan1211]

Yawn. More bothsideism from you.

While we still have a President in office that is a Democrat, we had a congress that has accomplished plenty by working in a bi-partisan effort. Now, once again, trump has thwarted another bi-partisan agreement that was built through a democratic process with the D's & R's working TOGETHER to find solutions.

This is just another example of trump turning his back on democracy because he sees it as a roadblock to do what he wants, not what the people wants.


IT IS NOT ABOUT BOTH SIDES!!!!!!!!!!!!

Failure to recognize reality is a you problem, not mine.

 

[coldseat]

Then you KNOW both have shut it down.
Your opinion of Americans is duly noted.

And yet, both parties haven't done it for the same reasons or with the same intent, nor have all shutdowns had the same effects, in other words context. But yeah, both sides.

 

[DJ1BigTymer]

Failure to recognize reality is a you problem, not mine.

How does a representative democracy work?

 

[Dragon]

Failure to recognize reality is a you problem, not mine.

You seem to live in another reality than the rest of us

 

[Texan1211]

You seem to live in another reality than the rest of us

Yes, I made that point in my post, you inhabit a different world.

 

[Texan1211]

And yet, both parties haven't done it for the same reasons or with the same intent, nor have all shutdowns had the same effects, in other words c

And yet, both parties do it when it suits their agendas. Of course all shutdowns don't have the same effect because sometimes compromise takes longer depending on the actors.

 

[coldseat]

And yet, both parties do it when it suits their agendas. Of course all shutdowns don't have the same effect because sometimes compromise takes longer depending on the actors.

Democrats have had to provide votes in the Republican controlled House's to get funding passed and end shutdowns because Republicans aren't even able to come to an agreement among themselves on legislation they craft and agree to. A Republican leader of the House was ousted because their own members were mad at their leader for passing funding legislations. Republicans have had control of the House, Senate and Presidency but couldn't pass funding without avoiding a shut down. Republicans have been talking about a passing a fully funded budget for the last 3 years, but can't because they can't agree on anything.

Surely you can point to Democrats doing the same and creating the same chaos since it's always both sides.

 

[Texan1211]

Democrats have had to provide votes in the Republican controlled House's to get funding passed and end shutdowns because Republicans aren't even able to come to an agreement among themselves on legislation they craft and agree to

That is correct. Maybe they need a Nancy Pelosi behind the scenes pressing and forcing folks to vote how she wishes.
Or maybe the Republican Party has more members willing to vote as they see fit, not how some old lady wants them to.

Surely you can point to Democrats doing the same and creating the same chaos since it's always both sides.

No, Democrats are always willing to spend more money and almost always fall in line with what the money folks want.

 

[Dragon]

That is correct. Maybe they need a Nancy Pelosi behind the scenes pressing and forcing folks to vote how she wishes.
Or maybe the Republican Party has more members willing to vote as they see fit, not how some old lady wants them to.


No, Democrats are always willing to spend more money and almost always fall in line with what the money folks want.

Democrats typically prioritize spending on initiatives that benefit ordinary people, such as healthcare, infrastructure, and education. In contrast, Republicans often focus on defense and policing. Meanwhile, the MAGA faction directs most of its spending toward tax cuts, which overwhelmingly benefit the wealthiest 1%.

So why does Trump, who claims that debt is bad and blames it entirely on Democrats, now push for a massive increase in the debt ceiling? The answer is simple: he promised his billionaire donors he would extend their enormous tax cuts, which have already added $3 trillion to the U.S. debt. Once again, the burden of these policies falls on the public, while the wealthiest reap the rewards.

 

[Texan1211]

So why does Trump, who claims that debt is bad and blames it entirely on Democrats, now push for a massive increase in the debt ceiling?

Not being a Trump fan, I don't know, Ask him.
The debt ceiling is nothing more than a farce. Congress needs to stop pretending it is concerned about overspending and just flat out admit they don't give a damn about the deficits or debt we have racked up.
And I know you hate to hear it--but too bad,
It goes for BOTH sides.
There are NO fiscal conservative folks with any power in DC.