General Election 2024 Harris vs Trump (7 Viewers)

[SamAndreas]

Today it begins, Kamala has reached the point that she's the Democratic Party nominee:

There's video from today. this link has video from her first public appearance since Biden endorsed her:

https://www.cnbc.com/2024/07/22/live-updates-harris-democrats-biden-drops-out-trump-campaign.html

She spent yesterday on the telephone for most of the day. I read that yesterday that she called the party leaders in all 50 states. That would take me three days.

She's renamed her YouTube channel, that's the where to go for video: https://www.youtube.com/@kamalaharris

This is her video on her channel from two hours ago:



To play it, start it, and then move it up to 5:47. This was one of those live videos which don't start at zero.

I've named this thread General Election 2024 Harris vs Trump

Trump needs an introduction post as well, a MAGA suporter ought to write it: @Farb, @SaintForLife , @Others, calling for someone to please introduce your GOP candidate for this 2024 general election thread.

 

[LA - L.A.]

It is a double standard, but it’s baked in that Trump is abnormal. He can’t lose votes no matter how despicable or incoherent he acts.

People are saying they can't vote for Trump this time. That's proof Trump can and has lost votes. Polls, small donations, and rally attendance all show Trump slowly bleeding some votes.

Over the last year, even some of his hardcore cult members have left the cult, because they've lost faith in Trump.

Independents are polling as breaking for Harris and many are publicly stating they will vote for Harris.

The state of the election does not support the belief that Trump can't lose votes no matter how despicable or incoherent he acts. That sounds like an emotionally fueled perception that doesn't reconcile with the current voting and polling data that is coming in.

 

[LA - L.A.]

Moron. Such a shame, too. He came from better stock than that.

Just goes to show we put too much stock into lineage.

 

[LA - L.A.]

You know, I’ve been kinda worried the last couple of days. Wondering if enough people have lost their damn minds to elect the felon. Feeling a bit defeated. But today has been different. I feel the hope and joy again, lol. This helped. Women are going to save us all.

Jewish Women for Kamala shows that at least a significant percentage of people who are Jewish are not bothered by the comparisons of Trump to Hitler.

 

[MT15]

This doesn’t really fit here, but I had noticed it as well. Biden seems much better without having the double burden of campaigning while being President.

 

[bird]

Cue the GOP deflection machine: "He didn't say what he said and didn't mean what he most definitely did"

Full Text:

Minnesota State Rep. Walter Hudson (R-Albertville) appears to tell conservative activists that he's glad they're "looking into" overthrowing the government after the election.

"One of the things you’ll likely hear in November is reference to in the Declaration of Independence. It says that when a system of government becomes tyrannical, the people have not just the right, but the duty to change their form of government. Doesn’t say anything about waiting for two years for the next election. It doesn’t say anything about waiting until the next Supreme Court justice retires or passes away. Whenever we have the right and the duty to change it. So that’s, I’m glad you guys are going to be looking into that."

Would like to say I am surprised. Would like to but I can’t.

 

[MT15]

Keep talking, Vance, you insufferable pig.

 

[superchuck500]

Conservatives Still Love Their Hitler-Loving Candidate

The right’s response to Hitlergate is to give Trump’s authoritarianism advance permission.

nymag.com

 

[bird]

This doesn’t really fit here, but I had noticed it as well. Biden seems much better without having the double burden of campaigning while being President.

Prepare for more White, RWNJ whining.

 

[Lapaz]

People are saying they can't vote for Trump this time. That's proof Trump can and has lost votes. Polls, small donations, and rally attendance all show Trump slowly bleeding some votes.

Over the last year, even some of his hardcore cult members have left the cult, because they've lost faith in Trump.

Independents are polling as breaking for Harris and many are publicly stating they will vote for Harris.

The state of the election does not support the belief that Trump can't lose votes no matter how despicable or incoherent he acts. That sounds like an emotionally fueled perception that doesn't reconcile with the current voting and polling data that is coming in.

My assessment is far from an emotionally fueled assessment, while I think your assessment misses the point. It’s not about the people that have MADE decisions. Having decided NOT to vote for Trump is a decision, just as having decided to vote for him is a decision. You’re talking about the former when you cite ex Trump voters that are now voting for Harris. I also know many independents have broken for Harris, but those aren’t the ones she still needs to win-over. Those are not undecideds.

When I say Trump can’t lose votes, I’m talking about the latter group that have decided. By now, if you’ve already decided to vote for Trump, there is practically nothing Trump can do to lose your vote. What could he do to lose their vote?

On the other hand, I think the vast majority of the undecideds are in the group that don’t want to vote for Trump, but I believe that the vast majority of the undecideds either won’t vote for president or will vote for a 3rd party, unless Harris changes tactics. I believe many of those undecideds are waiting for something to persuade them to vote for Harris. I think Kamala being less evasive is the best thing to convince them. I think her evasiveness is due to fear of losing votes, but I think that is a miscalculation. I think almost all that have decided to vote for Harris will stick with Harris if she sticks to moderate positions and explains why she took them clearly. It’s okay if some of her positions are liberal, because that is also baked in. I think she stands to gain far more than she will lose by being less evasive. That is the biggest legitimate criticism that I keep hearing about her, and we know doing the same thing over and over is insane.

 

[Optimus Prime]

NEW YORK (AP) — Progressive Democrats warn Kamala Harris risks losing the support of a small but significant portion of her political base unless she changes her campaign’s closing message — and its messengers — immediately.

Specifically, several progressive leaders believe that the Democratic nominee has been too focused on winning over moderate Republicans in recent days at the expense of her own party’s passionate liberals.

And they say that Harris’closing message, which is increasingly centered on Republican Donald Trump and the threat he poses to U.S. democracy, ignores the economic struggles of the nation’s working class.

Some far-left leaders are also irked that Harris has shared the stage in recent days with former House Republican leader Liz Cheney and billionaire businessman Mark Cuban while progressive icons like Vermont Sen. Bernie Sanders and New York Rep. Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez have been relegated to low-profile roles.

“The truth of the matter is that there are a hell of a lot more working-class people who could vote for Kamala Harris than there are conservative Republicans,” Sanders told The Associated Press in an interview Thursday.

Sanders noted that he’s been doing whatever he’s asked to help Harris win. He has participated in two dozen Harris campaign related-events this month alone, although they’re largely in rural areas. None have been with Harris.

“She has to start talking more to the needs of working-class people,” Sanders said. “I wish this had taken place two months ago. It is what it is.”

The Harris campaign believes there are still undecided moderates


Less than two weeks before Election Day, Harris is trying to assemble a sprawling coalition featuring voting groups with conflicting priorities.

She’s relying on the traditional Democratic base — African Americans, Latinos and young people who overwhelmingly lean left. Harris’ team is aware that some liberals are frustrated by her approach, especially on her support for Israel’s war against Hamas. But the campaign sees a major opportunity to expand her coalition by winning over disaffected Republicans, especially college-educated voters in the nation’s suburbs, who are uneasy about Trump.


From the Harris campaign’s perspective, the focus on moderate Republicans at this moment is simply a matter of math.

The Democrat’s campaign assesses that 10% of swing-state voters are still undecided or persuadable, according to an aide who spoke on the condition of anonymity to discuss internal strategy. Of that 10%, some 7% are considered “Cheney Republicans” who are receptive to messages attacking Trump, the aide said.…….

Progressives warn Harris must change her closing message as the election looms

They warn that she risks losing the support of a small, but significant portion of her political base unless she changes her campaign’s closing message — and its messengers — immediately.

apnews.com

 

[coldseat]

On the other hand, I think the vast majority of the undecideds are in the group that don’t want to vote for Trump, but I believe that the vast majority of the undecideds either won’t vote for president or will vote for a 3rd party, unless Harris changes tactics. I believe many of those undecideds are waiting for something to persuade them to vote for Harris.

Why do they need to be persuaded? Why can't they just look at both candidates and choose the best one for the job?

I feel like people in the media and voters who are in the middle, and have decided to vote for Harris, are waiting for this magic bullet from the Harris campaign that will suddenly convince 70% of the voting public that Trump is a horrible person and should be nowhere near the presidency. But that moment or magic bullet is never going to come.

All of this wish casting upon Harris and her campaign for what they should and should not be doing is more a factor of people in the middle and the media dealing with the fact that half of our electorate lacks the critical thinking and moral fiber to recognize an obvious and dangerous fascist in Trump and reject him. It's people basically not wanting to admit that their family and friends that are supporting Trump are also fascist and want what he wants.

 

[Optimus Prime]

This is interesting
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New York (CNN) — For the first time in decades, The Washington Post will not endorse a candidate in this year’s presidential election, the newspaper’s publisher announced Friday

“The Washington Post will not be making an endorsement of a presidential candidate in this election. Nor in any future presidential election,” Will Lewis said in a published statement. “We are returning to our roots of not endorsing presidential candidates.”

The Post has endorsed a presidential candidate in every election since the 1980s. In his statement, Lewis referred to the Editorial Board’s past decisions to not endorse a candidate, noting that it is a right “we are going back to.”

“We recognize that this will be read in a range of ways, including as a tacit endorsement of one candidate, or as a condemnation of another, or as an abdication of responsibility. That is inevitable,” Lewis continued.

“We don’t see it that way. We see it as consistent with the values The Post has always stood for and what we hope for in a leader: character and courage in service to the American ethic, veneration for the rule of law, and respect for human freedom in all its aspects.”…….

Washington Post will not endorse a candidate in 2024 presidential election, breaking decades of tradition | CNN Business

For the first time in decades, The Washington Post will not endorse a presidential candidate, the newspaper’s publisher announced Friday.

www.cnn.com

 

[Optimus Prime]

ASHINGTON − Former President Donald Trump tells supporters he'll be their "retribution" if elected in November. He talks of turning the military and the National Guard on the "enemy within," or those who don't support him, including Democratic figures like former House Speaker Nancy Pelosi.

Trump speaks only in generalities about his intentions. But for the past year, a former top Trump national security official likely to join him in a new administration has been crisscrossing America recruiting an army of volunteers to help carry out such a plan.

That's Michael Flynn, a retired Army lieutenant general and Trump's first White House national security advisor. He's also a former convicted felon who was banished from what he calls the "Deep State" national security bureaucracy after rising to become head of the Pentagon's Defense Intelligence Agency.

At Flynn's side is his longtime aide Ivan Raiklin, an intense former Green Beret, retired Army Reserve lieutenant colonel and former DIA employee who's also a conservative lawyer.

Flynn and Raiklin are among the most vocal of a cadre of Trump allies calling for prosecution and even violence against the former president's political enemies.

Raiklin, who calls himself Trump's "Secretary of Retribution," has gone so far as to compile a "Deep State Target List" of more than 350 people he says he'll go after in a second Trump administration.

"It's just unthinkable that our country has come to this," retired Air Force Lt. Gen. James Clapper, who served as the U.S. director of National Intelligence and DIA chief, told USA TODAY.

Javed Ali, a senior National Security Council official in the Trump administration, called the men's agenda "very unsettling," especially coming from a former top-ranking military officer like Flynn.

Together, Flynn and Raiklin have been barnstorming for a far-right, antigovernment form of Christian nationalism, railing against what they see as a "woke" takeover of America by communist sympathizers aligned with China............

Trump vows to go after his enemies if elected. Meet two enforcers ready to carry that out

Former top Trump aide Michael Flynn and his Green Beret sidekick have been crisscrossing America talking revenge. One even has a list of 350 targets.

www.usatoday.com

 

[cuddlemonkey]

NEW YORK (AP) — Progressive Democrats warn Kamala Harris risks losing the support of a small but significant portion of her political base unless she changes her campaign’s closing message — and its messengers — immediately.

Specifically, several progressive leaders believe that the Democratic nominee has been too focused on winning over moderate Republicans in recent days at the expense of her own party’s passionate liberals.

And they say that Harris’closing message, which is increasingly centered on Republican Donald Trump and the threat he poses to U.S. democracy, ignores the economic struggles of the nation’s working class.

Some far-left leaders are also irked that Harris has shared the stage in recent days with former House Republican leader Liz Cheney and billionaire businessman Mark Cuban while progressive icons like Vermont Sen. Bernie Sanders and New York Rep. Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez have been relegated to low-profile roles.

“The truth of the matter is that there are a hell of a lot more working-class people who could vote for Kamala Harris than there are conservative Republicans,” Sanders told The Associated Press in an interview Thursday.

Sanders noted that he’s been doing whatever he’s asked to help Harris win. He has participated in two dozen Harris campaign related-events this month alone, although they’re largely in rural areas. None have been with Harris.

“She has to start talking more to the needs of working-class people,” Sanders said. “I wish this had taken place two months ago. It is what it is.”

The Harris campaign believes there are still undecided moderates


Less than two weeks before Election Day, Harris is trying to assemble a sprawling coalition featuring voting groups with conflicting priorities.

She’s relying on the traditional Democratic base — African Americans, Latinos and young people who overwhelmingly lean left. Harris’ team is aware that some liberals are frustrated by her approach, especially on her support for Israel’s war against Hamas. But the campaign sees a major opportunity to expand her coalition by winning over disaffected Republicans, especially college-educated voters in the nation’s suburbs, who are uneasy about Trump.


From the Harris campaign’s perspective, the focus on moderate Republicans at this moment is simply a matter of math.

The Democrat’s campaign assesses that 10% of swing-state voters are still undecided or persuadable, according to an aide who spoke on the condition of anonymity to discuss internal strategy. Of that 10%, some 7% are considered “Cheney Republicans” who are receptive to messages attacking Trump, the aide said.…….

Progressives warn Harris must change her closing message as the election looms

They warn that she risks losing the support of a small, but significant portion of her political base unless she changes her campaign’s closing message — and its messengers — immediately.

apnews.com

As one who considers themselves a progressive Democrat who voted for Bernie Sanders in the 2016 primaries, these idiots drive me nuts. Kamala isn't perfect, but Trump and his plans are orders of magnitude worse for working-class families. If these butt crevasses can't see that, they're dumber than those other butt crevasses that follow Trump around the country like he's the damn Grateful Dead.

 

[UncleTrvlingJim]

This is interesting
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New York (CNN) — For the first time in decades, The Washington Post will not endorse a candidate in this year’s presidential election, the newspaper’s publisher announced Friday

“The Washington Post will not be making an endorsement of a presidential candidate in this election. Nor in any future presidential election,” Will Lewis said in a published statement. “We are returning to our roots of not endorsing presidential candidates.”

The Post has endorsed a presidential candidate in every election since the 1980s. In his statement, Lewis referred to the Editorial Board’s past decisions to not endorse a candidate, noting that it is a right “we are going back to.”

“We recognize that this will be read in a range of ways, including as a tacit endorsement of one candidate, or as a condemnation of another, or as an abdication of responsibility. That is inevitable,” Lewis continued.

“We don’t see it that way. We see it as consistent with the values The Post has always stood for and what we hope for in a leader: character and courage in service to the American ethic, veneration for the rule of law, and respect for human freedom in all its aspects.”…….

Washington Post will not endorse a candidate in 2024 presidential election, breaking decades of tradition | CNN Business

For the first time in decades, The Washington Post will not endorse a presidential candidate, the newspaper’s publisher announced Friday.

www.cnn.com

Speculation is that Bezos didn't want to risk Amazon's government contracts if Trump wins.

 

[Optimus Prime]

The chair of the conservative House Freedom Caucus says the North Carolina legislature should consider allocating the state’s presidential electors to Donald Trump even before votes are counted in the swing state.

Rep. Andy Harris (R-Md.) said Thursday that such a step by North Carolina’s Republican-controlled legislature “makes a lot of sense” given the devastation wrought by Hurricane Helene in the western part of the state. Counties in that region are expected to vote heavily for Trump.

Potential difficulties with voting in the hurricane-damaged area would be a basis for the state legislature to declare in advance that Trump should win the state’s 16 electoral votes, Harris said at a Republican Party dinner in Maryland’s Talbot County.

“You statistically can go and say, ‘Look, you got disenfranchised in 25 counties. You know what that vote probably would have been,’” Harris said during an exchange with a speaker at the dinner. “Which would be — if I were in the legislature — enough to go, ‘Yeah we have to convene the legislature. We can’t disenfranchise the voters.’”

Harris’ comments were in response to a keynote speech by Ivan Raiklin, a pro-Trump activist who has long embraced a radical strategy of state legislatures guaranteeing Trump’s reelection if they deem the 2024 election tainted by fraud and corruption. Raiklin posted a video of his full speech on X as well as a separate clip of his exchange with Harris.

Harris did not immediately respond to a request for comment.

In his remarks, Raiklin argued that in addition to North Carolina, Republican-controlled legislatures in New Hampshire, Arizona, Nebraska, Georgia and Wisconsin could take similar steps by meeting on Election Day and awarding their electors to Trump. Harris asked Raiklin how he could justify his plan in other states that were unaffected by storm damage.

“It looks like just a power play,” Harris said. “In North Carolina, it’s legitimate. There are a lot of people that aren’t going to get to vote and it may make the difference in that state.”

Under the Constitution, state legislatures have the power to choose how to allocate their votes in the Electoral College. All 50 states assign their electors based on the popular vote of their citizens...............

Freedom Caucus leader says North Carolina should consider giving Trump its electors before votes are counted​

 

[Optimus Prime]

Speculation is that Bezos didn't want to risk Amazon's government contracts if Trump wins.

If that's the concern it doesn't seem to have affected the tone of many of the articles or opinion pieces

 

[UncleTrvlingJim]