General Election 2024 Harris vs Trump (2 Viewers)

[SamAndreas]

Today it begins, Kamala has reached the point that she's the Democratic Party nominee:

There's video from today. this link has video from her first public appearance since Biden endorsed her:

https://www.cnbc.com/2024/07/22/live-updates-harris-democrats-biden-drops-out-trump-campaign.html

She spent yesterday on the telephone for most of the day. I read that yesterday that she called the party leaders in all 50 states. That would take me three days.

She's renamed her YouTube channel, that's the where to go for video: https://www.youtube.com/@kamalaharris

This is her video on her channel from two hours ago:



To play it, start it, and then move it up to 5:47. This was one of those live videos which don't start at zero.

I've named this thread General Election 2024 Harris vs Trump

Trump needs an introduction post as well, a MAGA suporter ought to write it: @Farb, @SaintForLife , @Others, calling for someone to please introduce your GOP candidate for this 2024 general election thread.

 

[SamAndreas]

Former President Trump responded to former Vice President Dick Cheney’s decision to back his Democratic rival in November late Friday, calling the former GOP vice president an “irrelevant RINO” — or “Republican in name only.”

“Dick Cheney is an irrelevant RINO, along with his daughter, who lost by the largest margin in the History of Congressional Races!” the former president wrote in a post on Truth Social, referring to former Rep. Liz Cheney (R-Wyo.), who lost her 2022 midterm election to a Trump-backed challenger.

The criticism comes after Cheney, who under former President George W. Bush, said Friday in a statement that he will support Vice President Harris in the fall.……

https://thehill.com/homenews/campaign/4867243-donald-trump-dick-cheney-liz-cheney-kamala-harris-2024-election/

For crying out loud the criminal is Retaxes the rhino lord.

MAGA is his rhino herd. Watch this:



Old fellows like Dick Cheney are the last of the Elephants.

 

[LA - L.A.]

No he must be defeated. we need to argue about where budget money is allocated. not worrying about our democracy being threatened

I think you misunderstood me. I agree Trump needs to be defeated, I disagree we need to go back to any previous normal. We need to create a healthier, more secure, more equal and more just new normal once we defeat Trump. It would be a mistake to go back to how things were before Trump, because that's exactly what lead to this Trumped up mess in the first place.

We need to find a new path forward, not start all over again from the beginning.

 

[MT15]

About the NYT/Sienna poll, this is essentially what I’m reading:

 

[superchuck500]

NYT editorial board issues lengthy condemnation of Trump as uniquely unfit for the office of the president.

Opinion | Donald Trump Is Unfit to Lead

He failed the tests of leadership and betrayed America. Voters must stand up to him in November.

www.nytimes.com

 

[Nebaghead]

The momentum has ebb’ed towards Trump now. Harris needs a good debate to shift it back. I still think the enthusiasm is high within the party for Harris, it comes to swaying undecideds which are still 5-6% when you look at the polls.
From what I am reading, the Electorate polled in the Times poll was more republican so it skewed that way for results. I always pay attention to the week over week changes. Since being announced as the candidate, Kamala has leveled the playing field from a substantial deficit. It will be a tight race going in but she just needs to have week over week changes going her way and she will win. It seems like people vote with the direction of sentiment and the actual leads don’t matter as much in tight races, especially with averages being used, that is why I always focus on Week over Week.
The biggest wild card is new registered voters. Those have been through the roof in favor for Kamala. The problem is, new voters have less turnout typically and when they do polls, their weight is lower because new voters are not as likely to be considered “Likely Voters”. When you look at poll results always look at registered versus likely. Likely voter polls tend to be better but they also exclude certain voters because of the likely voter requirements. That is why turnout is key. If the Dems turnout all those new voters vote and Kamala wins the race walking away.

 

[coldseat]

CNN —
Former President Donald Trump on Saturday called for “modifying” the 25th Amendment to allow for the removal of a vice president who “lies or engages in a conspiracy to cover up the incapacity of the president,” a political nonstarter and the latest escalation of his attacks on President Joe Biden and the change atop the Democratic ticket.

“If you do that with a cover-up of the president of the United States, it’s grounds for impeachment immediately and removal from office, beause that’s what they did,” Trump said during a campaign rally in Mosinee, Wisconsin.

In the wake of Biden’s poor June debate performance and his decision to end his presidential campaign a month later, Trump and his Republican allies have accused Vice President Kamala Harris and top Democrats of covering up a decline in the president’s mental fitness.

The Harris campaign declined to comment on Trump’s remarks on Saturday.

The vice president has continued to defend Biden and his mental capacity, telling CNN last month that she doesn’t regret insisting in the weeks after the debate that Biden was fit to serve another four-year term.

“Not at all,” Harris told CNN’s Dana Bash in her first major TV interview since becoming the new Democratic nominee. “He has the intelligence, the commitment and the judgment and disposition that I think the American people rightly deserve in their president.”………

Trump calls for modifying the 25th Amendment and says a VP “engages in a conspiracy to cover up the incapacity of the president” they should be removed | CNN Politics

Former President Donald Trump on Saturday called for modifying the 25th Amendment of the US Constitution and said if a vice president “lies or engages in a conspiracy to cover up the incapacity of the president” they should be removed from office.

www.cnn.com

Harris's response to Trump when he rants about this during the debate needs to be, "Having been in the presence of both President Biden and now you, I can say with certainty that President Biden is more mentally acute and has better cognition than what you are currently displaying here. So if you believe President Biden is unfit to be president because of his age, that would certainly disqualify you for the office as well." Then segue into a topic for Seniors like social security.

 

[GrandAdmiral]

Harris campaign need to push the fact that if Trump wins he will take full advantage of the presidential immunity anyway he can. even though we all know the ruling isn't what he thinks it is, he'll do it anyway..

She has. It's in her stump speech.

 

[Optimus Prime]

If you’re a swing-state voter, your mailbox has probably been flooded with fliers, especially on behalf of Donald Trump’s campaign. We’ve been collecting examples of Trump fliers and, though they are underwritten by different state Republican parties, they often have virtually the same language.

Typically, on one side, there’s a defense — Vice President Kamala Harris is telling “lies” about Trump and Project 2025. On the other side, there’s an attack — 10 policies proving Harris is “failed, weak and dangerously liberal.”

As a reader guide, here’s an assessment made of the claims in the mailers. It’s quite possible Trump may repeat some of these lines in tomorrow’s debate, so even if you’re not voting in a swing state, you’ll now know what he’s talking about.

In ads and campaign appearances, Harris has been relentlessly linking Trump to a Heritage Foundation report called “Mandate for Leadership,” a 922-page manifesto filled with detailed conservative proposals that is popularly labeled Project 2025. Harris’s efforts must be having an effect, because the tone of the mailer is defensive.

“Trump disavows Project 2025: Calls some of the group’s ideas ‘absolutely ridiculous and abysmal,’” the flier says. It then lists what it describes as Trump’s real agenda, such as eliminating taxes for tips and securing the southern border. Oddly it does not include one of Trump’s signature initiatives — a plan to impose across-the-board tariffs on imported goods. Perhaps that is because Harris has been attacking it as a national sales tax.

Project 2025 is not an official campaign document, and we’ve called out Democrats for sometimes falsely suggesting policies that are not in it, such as on Social Security and the definition of family. A CNN review found that 140 people who worked in the Trump administration contributed to the report. In April, at a Heritage event, Trump praised Kevin Roberts, president of Heritage, and appeared to endorse Project 2025.

“They’re going to lay the groundwork and detail plans for exactly what our movement will do and what your movement will do when the American people give us a colossal mandate to save America,” he said. It’s fair to say that these are policies that people who hope to work in a future Trump administration would want to implement. But there’s not necessarily unanimity. While Trump is an advocate of more tariffs, for example, the trade chapter in the book has dueling essays — one arguing for tariffs and another for free trade.

Interestingly, Trump has never explained what Project 2025 policies he thinks are ridiculous and abysmal. That might be a good question for the debate................

As San Francisco district attorney: “Granted probation to a violent criminal who then murdered two men”

This lacks context. The flier cites a 2007 article in the San Francisco Chronicle about the arrest of a man, Devaughndre Broussard, 19, who admitted he killed Oakland Post editor Chauncey Bailey. He said he did so on the orders of Yusuf Bey IV, son of the founder of a bakery who had been the subject of critical articles.

Broussard also confessed to killing another man on Bey’s orders. (Bey was convicted of three murders in 2011, including Bailey’s.) Broussard was on probation at the time for robbing and assaulting another man; the article quotes the man’s father as blaming the office of then-district attorney Harris for Broussard’s release.

The article quotes a Harris aide, Chief Assistant District Attorney Russ Giuntini, as saying that prosecutors agreed to probation because they couldn’t precisely identify which of four suspects committed which specific crime. Broussard was only 18 and a first-time offender at the time of the attack, factors that also figured in the probation decision, Giuntini said.

In other words, it’s a stretch to pin this on Harris.

As district attorney: “Shielded convicted crack dealers suspected of being illegal immigrants from federal immigration officials.”

This is false. Harris was not involved in this case and supported a change in the policy. The flier cites a San Francisco Chronicle article about how eight young Honduran crack dealers in 2008 escaped from Southern California group homes after city officials shielded them from deportation because the city had been deemed a sanctuary for undocumented immigrants nine years earlier.

They were sent to the group homes after the Chronicle revealed that the city — under a policy set by the city attorney, not the district attorney — flew juvenile offenders to their home countries rather than cooperate with federal authorities. Two days after the crack dealers escaped, then-Mayor Gavin Newsom announced the city would start turning over juvenile undocumented immigrants convicted of felonies to federal authorities for possible deportation

. Harris supported Newsom, even as the policy shift was opposed by the elected Board of Supervisors.................

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2024/09/09/fact-checking-gop-trump-fliers-flooding-swing-state-mailboxes/

 

[GrandAdmiral]

This tidbit about the rules for tomorrow's debate might be the downfall the Trump campaign dreads...

 

[UriUT]

I think I posted the following story of the feud between the NYtimes/AG Sulzberger and the Biden admin before.

https://www.politico.com/news/magazine/2024/04/25/new-york-times-biden-white-house-00154219

Anyway, Sulzberger penned an opt ed in the Washington Post (Really?!?!?) to speak out against the assault on the free press. No seriously, this isn't a nytimespitchbot post.

"At the same time, as the steward of one of the country’s leading news organizations, I feel compelled to speak out about threats to the free press, as my predecessors and I have done to leaders of both parties. I am doing so here, in the pages of an esteemed competitor, because I believe the risk is shared by our entire profession, as well as all who depend on it."​

Yeah, there's a reason why the nytimespitchbot is a thing. Because under Sulzberger, the NYTimes' headlines can sometimes be confused with the parody headlines of the nytimespitchbot.

Fair and Balanced

This morning, New York Times publisher A.G.

kevinmkruse.substack.com

According to Sulzberger, though, their coverage was merely part of their responsibility to present a “full, fair and accurate picture” of what was going on with the campaign. An elderly candidate’s struggles with memory and inability to grasp basic facts was alarming and they had a duty to press the issue, even aggressively.

But that argument collapses under the lightest scrutiny, because we still have an elderly candidate struggling with memory, unable to grasp basic facts. His name is Donald Trump. Just the other day, he insisted repeatedly in a town hall that he was still running against Joe Biden.

"So, no, the New York Times has not been treating both candidates equally. Despite Sulzberger’s protestations, they’ve had a heavy thumb on the scale all along — it’s just that it’s been for Trump rather than against him."​

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And this reminds me of Anderson Cooper. His network gave Trump a forum in a strategic shift to attract rw viewers...a lite foxnews, and after outcries, he gas lights critics by saying they are in a bubble.

Anderson Cooper says viewers have every right to abandon CNN after Trump town hall

Mr Cooper called Mr Trump’s comments during the town hall “disturbing”

www.the-independent.com

“Do you think staying in your silo and only listening to people you agree with is going to make that person go away? If we all only listen to those we agree with, it may actually do the opposite. If lives are allowed to go unchecked, as imperfect as our ability to check them is on a stage in real time, those lies continue and those lies spread,” he said.​

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So yeah, the NYTimes finally objects. But with the news, trust is earned. CNN and the NYTimes deserves to be in purgatory until they earn our trust back. The days of Brian Williams embellishing an event and faced considerable backlash is long gone. The shameless lies cannot be whitewashed. Trump cannot be sanewashed. This media environment is failing us. It's like that meme with the guy in the banana suit:

 

[superchuck500]

 

[Nebaghead]

This tidbit about the rules for tomorrow's debate might be the downfall the Trump campaign dreads...

Good.

 

[MT15]

This tidbit about the rules for tomorrow's debate might be the downfall the Trump campaign dreads...

I saw someone say that is exactly what happened during the first debate - Trump was constantly talking at/to Biden during the time Biden was supposed to be talking. Of course the viewers couldn’t hear it, but it threw Biden off tremendously. It’s not meant to be an excuse, because I’m happy with Harris, just an explanation. Also, kudos to Biden for not using it as an excuse. And it may explain the Harris campaign request to leave the mics on.

 

[UriUT]

Trump is 78 and barely coherent. Where's everyone who questioned Biden's age and fitness?

A 78-year-old Trump rants nonsensically, demonstrating an inability to hold a thought, and it's deemed 'a jumbled answer'? C'mon. The man is unfit.

www.usatoday.com

I wonder about this since the unrelenting attacks on Biden's age. While I recognize that Trump's base cognitive level is low, and therefore difficult to judge publicly, he is showing unstable behavior now! Where's the outrage at Biden's level? The irony is, when Trump boasts about..what was it...person, man, woman, thing or whatever it was, he was likely admitting that a mini mental status exam was administered. That is a part of the mmse! [edit: Much worse, he believes it's some IQ test when it's just a simple question to test recall!]

Yeah, from the article above: the NYTimes even w/ that editorial about Trump's unfitness, does this in it's reporting:

Interpreting this....

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"Well, I will do that and we're sitting down, you know, I was, uh, somebody, we had Sen. Marco Rubio and my daughter Ivanka were so, uh, impactful on that issue, it's a very important issue.​

But I think when you talk about the kind of numbers that I'm talking about that because childcare is childcare is couldn't, you know, is something you have to have it in this country, you have to have it. But when you talk about those numbers compared to the kind of numbers that I’m talking about by taxing foreign nations at levels that they’re not used to, but they’ll get used to it very quickly – and it’s not going to stop them from doing business with us but they’ll have a very substantial tax when they send product into our country.​

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Those numbers are so much bigger than any numbers that we’re talking about, including child care. That – it’s going to take care – we’re going to have – I – I look forward to having no deficits within a fairly short period of time, coupled with the reductions that I told you about on waste and fraud and all of the other things that are going on in our country.​

Because I have to say with child care – I want to stay with child care – but those numbers are small relative to the kind of economic numbers that I’m talking about, including growth, but growth also headed up by what the plan is that I just – that I just told you about.​

We’re going to be taking in trillions of dollars. And as much as child care is talked about as being expensive, it’s, relatively speaking, not very expensive compared to the kind of numbers we’ll be taking in.​

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We’re going to make this into an incredible country that can afford to take care of its people, and then we’ll worry about the rest of the world. Let’s help other people, but we’re going to take care of our country first. This is about America first, it’s about Make America Great Again. We have to do it because right now we’re a failing nation. So we’ll take care of it. Thank you. Very good question."​

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To this:

But The New York Times' initial report on Trump’s babble said this: “In a jumbled answer, he said he would prioritize legislation on the issue but offered no specifics and insisted that his other economic policies, including tariffs, would ‘take care’ of child care.”​

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Politico had done the same sanewashing....my goodness. NYTimes, do as you say, please...otherwise, your editorial rings hollow.

 

[MT15]

The Trump campaign is unburdened by reality. I just read the non-immigrant cat eater was in Canton, not Springfield.

 

[MT15]

And the worst amplifier of disinformation weighs in:

 

[Taurus]

The Trump campaign is unburdened by reality. I just read the non-immigrant cat eater was in Canton, not Springfield.

What happens when the cops don't tell the truth and agree that pet cats are vanishing?

That's the danger of letting Cheato back in. He'll fill every leadership position with his cronies, with racists who think like he does. They'll fully unleash what we already know is a dangerously racist police force. If you're in an out-group, you're going down for anything they feel like pinning on you.

If you're a cop or one of the "in crowd" you'll be able to do pretty much anything you want to an out-group member without consequences.

The trip, the thing these MAGAt yahoos don't understand is that they're in the out group too. Wasn't it just a couple weeks ago the MAGAts were complaining about Walz's German ancestry? Then it'll be the Irish, then French, then Catholics, then (or still) Mormons, Methodists, eventually a tiny subset of evangelical Protestants will be the only in-group, because the smaller the in-group, the more power each individual wields.

 

[Optimus Prime]

This cannot be real life

This cannot be the nominees for president and vice president of the United States of a major party

Those nominees cannot be polling neck and neck with normal people

This is the type of stuff that is supposed to come from people you’ve never heard of running for a party you’ve never heard of

“Who’s Zachary Kantebury and what’s the Protectarian Party?”

So we are now at the “immigrants are eating cats” stage of the descent into nonsensical madness

And guess what?

We’re not done descending. Not even close

We should have a contest

We should guess some of the the next bat shirt crazy “things” will be and see who gets closest

And I don’t know if any of us would come up with anything as forking stupid like “Haitians are eating cats”