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    Today it begins, Kamala has reached the point that she's the Democratic Party nominee:

    There's video from today. this link has video from her first public appearance since Biden endorsed her:


    She spent yesterday on the telephone for most of the day. I read that yesterday that she called the party leaders in all 50 states. That would take me three days.

    She's renamed her YouTube channel, that's the where to go for video: https://www.youtube.com/@kamalaharris

    This is her video on her channel from two hours ago:



    To play it, start it, and then move it up to 5:47. This was one of those live videos which don't start at zero.

    I've named this thread General Election 2024 Harris vs Trump

    Trump needs an introduction post as well, a MAGA suporter ought to write it: @Farb, @SaintForLife , @Others, calling for someone to please introduce your GOP candidate for this 2024 general election thread.
     
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    not2rich said:
    He’s really pissed his fist pumping photo is going nowhere other than SFL’s avatar.
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    It's Covid all over again for him. If he responds like a decent human being to Covid, he coasts to reelection. If he behaves with any level of respect and dignity or attempts to unify the people after the failed assassination, he coasts to victory.
     
    So waking up this morning - this is the comment from yesterday that is garnering outrage on Twitter. And from some of the MAGA accounts, not just people who dislike Trump.

    “Trump: When we gave her the Presidential Medal of Freedom… It’s the equivalent of the Congressional Medal of Honor— it’s actually much better because everyone who gets the Congressional Medal, they’re soldiers. They’re either in very bad shape because they’ve been hit so many times by bullets or they’re dead. She gets it and she’s a healthy beautiful woman”

    Trump is talking about Miriam Adelson - who he gave the Presidential Medal of Freedom because she gave his campaign $133M. Widow of casino owner Sheldon Adelson.
     
    cuddlemonkey said:
    It's Covid all over again for him. If he responds like a decent human being to Covid, he coasts to reelection. If he behaves with any level of respect and dignity or attempts to unify the people after the failed assassination, he coasts to victory.
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    People say that about Trump and Covid and I’m not sure I agree

    It’s not like In December 2019 we were like ‘Trump hasn’t been that bad”

    Covid may have been more steel I-Beam than straw but Trump’s camel was at the breaking point without it
     
    MT15 said:
    So waking up this morning - this is the comment from yesterday that is garnering outrage on Twitter. And from some of the MAGA accounts, not just people who dislike Trump.

    “Trump: When we gave her the Presidential Medal of Freedom… It’s the equivalent of the Congressional Medal of Honor— it’s actually much better because everyone who gets the Congressional Medal, they’re soldiers. They’re either in very bad shape because they’ve been hit so many times by bullets or they’re dead. She gets it and she’s a healthy beautiful woman”

    Trump is talking about Miriam Adelson - who he gave the Presidential Medal of Freedom because she gave his campaign $133M. Widow of casino owner Sheldon Adelson.
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    mostly what i see them saying is y'all misunderstood what he was saying.. you know that whole line..
     
    So this happened:





    I'm not a huge Michael Eric Dyson fan (not because of his views but I find him a bit pretentious) but I'm on his side on this

    Intentional or not, saying 'Call her whatever you want" will absolutely mean that some will take that as permission to continue with the racist, sexist comments

    And there is a definite racist undertone (many would say there's nothing 'under' about it) to refusing to pronounce her name correctly

    I didn't see this live so I don't know if they ever circled back to the black woman selling confederate/MAGA merch story (which I was a bit interested in seeing)




    And more of the "I didn't hear Trump say the thing that dominated the news for a week"
     
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    cuddlemonkey said:
    It's Covid all over again for him. If he responds like a decent human being to Covid, he coasts to reelection. If he behaves with any level of respect and dignity or attempts to unify the people after the failed assassination, he coasts to victory.
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    I'm not sure about the assassination attempt,but I agree about covid 100%. It's why I believe the Republican party is not dead. They
    just need to move far far away from Trump and his Maga cult. Harris could easily be defeated if they had nominated a more
    centrist candidate imo. The problem is most of those are afraid to come forward now. Their re-election relies on their support of
    Trump. This is especially true in Red states.
     
    Optimus Prime said:
    People say that about Trump and Covid and I’m not sure I agree

    It’s not like In December 2019 we were like ‘Trump hasn’t been that bad”

    Covid may have been more steel I-Beam than straw but Trump’s camel was at the breaking point without it
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    Biden flipped four states in 2020- PA, AZ, GA, and WI- by slim margins. I don't think it's inconceivable to say Trump wins those states if he acts presidential in his handling of Covid.
     
    cuddlemonkey said:
    Biden flipped four states in 2020- PA, AZ, GA, and WI- by slim margins. I don't think it's inconceivable to say Trump wins those states if he acts presidential in his handling of Covid.
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    Not inconceivable is different than coasting to victory

    And here is the flip side of that argument

    Trump got millions more votes than he did in 2016

    How many of those people were driven by anti-mask, anti-vax, anti-distancing, anti-school closures, etc.?

    If Covid is handled much better what happens to those votes?

    Not saying they’d vote for Biden, but maybe they aren’t angry enough to vote
     
    Optimus Prime said:
    People say that about Trump and Covid and I’m not sure I agree

    It’s not like In December 2019 we were like ‘Trump hasn’t been that bad”

    Covid may have been more steel I-Beam than straw but Trump’s camel was at the breaking point without it
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    I think it's more that, generally, people tend to unite behind a leader in a time of crisis... assuming that leader actually tries to unite people and shows, you know, leadership in addressing the crisis. Had he done that, he could perhaps have won in spite of everything that went before it.

    Of course, Trump went with the approach of ignoring it, imagining it'd just disappear "like a miracle", literally saying he doesn't "take responsibility at all", declaring PPE like masks voluntary and saying he wouldn't be doing it in April, speculating at a White House briefing about injecting disinfectant inside, holding crowded rallies just months into the pandemic long before any vaccination was available at all and at which people inevitably took no protective measures like masking, with some of them consequently dying from Covid (Herman Cain being probably the prime example of that), and - to be fair - finally encouraging people to wear masks in July... before continuing to ridicule wearing them including in a presidental debate in September.

    But had he not done any of that and instead done just the very basic stuff of 'being a leader in a pandemic' that virtually anyone else could have managed, yeah, it probably would have helped him.
     
    Optimus Prime said:
    Not inconceivable is different than coasting to victory

    And here is the flip side of that argument

    Trump got millions more votes than he did in 2016

    How many of those people were driven by anti-mask, anti-vax, anti-distancing, anti-school closures, etc.?

    If Covid is handled much better what happens to those votes?

    Not saying they’d vote for Biden, but maybe they aren’t angry enough to vote
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    Fair. The fact is that it's a possibility and my personal opinion is that he wins safely (at worst) and mot likely wins comfortably if he is a uniting force during the pandemic.
     

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