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    This is becoming a talking point or will be soon. I personally have no issue with medical assisted suicide in a hospice care environment. There is a push, and this is in Canada, to include the mentally ill, disabled, and even the homeless. That I cannot get behind. What does everyone else think about it?

    https://www.thestar.com/opinion/con...-of-abuse-is-becoming-ever-more-apparent.html

    How does the unthinkable become not only thinkable, but seemingly inevitable? How do we normalize things we recently considered not just abnormal, but horrifying?

    The question arises because a major Canadian medical organization is pushing the idea of allowing doctors to do something that’s long been considered unthinkable and abnormal: killing infants who are born with conditions that make survival impossible.

    The Quebec College of Physicians made the case for this before a parliamentary committee studying changes to Canada’s law on medical assistance in dying (MAID), a.k.a. assisted suicide.

    To be clear, the college’s proposal involves only newborns with severe malformations whose chance for life is “basically nil.” It wouldn’t be a license to kill babies. But let’s also be clear about this: authorizing doctors to actively euthanize infants — rather than allowing nature to take its course — does cross a line once thought inviolable.


    The college suggests blurring things in other ways, too. It supports extending MAID to “mature minors,” i.e. teenagers aged 14 to 17, and wants us to think about allowing euthanasia for old people who are just “tired of living.”

    Now, Canada’s laws on MAID have long been stretched far beyond the original (and praiseworthy) concept of sparing terminally ill people from unnecessary agony at the end of their lives, allowing a so-called “death with dignity.” When the law was passed in 2016 it didn’t specify that a person must be terminally ill to qualify for a medically assisted death, and last year it was amended to remove the requirement that death be “reasonably foreseeable.”

    https://www.ctvnews.ca/health/famil...ssion-wasn-t-fit-for-assisted-death-1.4609016

    A British Columbia man who struggled with depression and showed no signs of facing an imminent demise was given a medically-assisted death despite desperate pleas from his loved ones, family members say.

    Alan Nichols was admitted to Chilliwack General Hospital in June, at age 61, after he was found dehydrated and malnourished. One month later, he died by injection.

    Days before his death, family members begged Nichols, a former school janitor who lived alone and struggled with depression, not to go through with the procedure. They still don’t know why doctors approved the life-ending procedure and insist that Nichols did not fit the government criteria of facing an “imminent death.”

    https://www.foxnews.com/media/canad...law-include-mentally-ill-enable-mature-minors
     
    Can you name me a procedure that requires an abortion to save the mothers life?

    This is a very clunky question, but sure- severe cases of preeclampsia, some cancer treatments, and some heart conditions/other conditions that are specifically brought on by pregnancy. I would suggest that you consult an OB/GYN for a more knowledgeable answer.

    Remember, an abortion is the act of going in with the specific purpose of killing the baby in the womb and taking it out. Treatments that the mother has to have that unfortunately end in the death of the baby is not an abortion. So, can you name me the procedure that you all bring up that requires an abortion in order to save the life of the mother?

    Read above.
     
    This is a very clunky question, but sure- severe cases of preeclampsia, some cancer treatments, and some heart conditions/other conditions that are specifically brought on by pregnancy. I would suggest that you consult an OB/GYN for a more knowledgeable answer.



    Read above.
    He doesn't know what he's talking about. He wants us to think he does, but he terribly misinformed.
     
    Oh, and Farb cannot just decide that some abortions are not really abortions. Abortion is a medical term and it has a meaning. You cannot just change the meanings of words to suit your religious dogma.
     
    I follow bread crumbs.
    Farb throws out gotcha-bait, he does not follow, follow up or follow through on anything. He just gotcha-baits.

    Part of the reason for this thread was to get some folks on record not agreeing with euthanasia...
    Farb just admitted that he started this thread as gotcha-bait.

    ...but I knew how this slippery slope would work and with enough time and pressure from the left, they would flip and would actually endorse it.
    Like almost everything Farb says, this has been proven false several times in this thread.

    No one has endorsed the government encouraging people to kill themselves.

    The one source that Farb quoted about an alleged "slippery slope" was irrefutably shown to be lying. The Netherlands do not encourage their citizens to commit suicide.

    This thread was dishonestly started by Farb as gotcha-bait. Farb just flat out admitted that.

    After starting this thread under false pretense, Farb went on to quote sources who intentionally lied.

    People show you who the are by their actions. Farb has admitted he deceitfully started this thread to gotcha-bait on the abortion issue and then quoted sources who intentionally lied to support his false claims.

    Does that sound like someone you should trust?
     
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    ...an abortion is the act of going in with the specific purpose of killing the baby in the womb and taking it out. Treatments that the mother has to have that unfortunately end in the death of the baby is not an abortion.

    Oh, and Farb cannot just decide that some abortions are not really abortions. Abortion is a medical term and it has a meaning. You cannot just change the meanings of words to suit your religious dogma.

    Medical definition of abortion:

    "Abortion is the removal of pregnancy tissue, products of conception or the fetus and placenta (afterbirth) from the uterus. In general, the terms fetus and placenta are used after eight weeks of pregnancy. Pregnancy tissue and products of conception refer to tissue produced by the union of an egg and sperm before eight weeks.​
    Other terms for an abortion include elective abortion, induced abortion, termination of pregnancy and therapeutic abortion."​


    Legal definition of abortion:

    "Abortion is the voluntary termination of a pregnancy."​


    Religious definition of abortion:

    It varies from religion to religion, as does whether or not it's morally acceptable. No religion gets to define what abortion is, or whether or not it is legal, for people with differing religious and/or moral beliefs.​
     
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    What you say is disgusting. I said what I meant.
    I just want someone who is so pro-abortion to stand behind having the mother have an option to kill the baby in the 8th month? Can you defend it?

    Either that or you think abortion should be illegal after some point in the fetus development, right?
     
    This is a very clunky question, but sure- severe cases of preeclampsia, some cancer treatments, and some heart conditions/other conditions that are specifically brought on by pregnancy. I would suggest that you consult an OB/GYN for a more knowledgeable answer.



    Read above.
    Are you telling that before treatment can begin, on the mother, they have to schedule an abortion and then they can begin the life saving medical treatment?
     
    I just want someone who is so pro-abortion to stand behind having the mother have an option to kill the baby in the 8th month? Can you defend it?

    Either that or you think abortion should be illegal after some point in the fetus development, right?
    I’ve been quite clear in that I think Roe was a pretty good standard. Fetal viability removes the option, as you call it. However, there will still be some situations where the pregnancy can be terminated. These are medical decisions in almost all cases. Nobody is aborting a healthy 8 month fetus - that’s a birth. You shouldn’t believe the lies being told about that.
     
    Are you telling that before treatment can begin, on the mother, they have to schedule an abortion and then they can begin the life saving medical treatment?
    That can be the case yes. Many cancer treatments will be fatal or cause birth defects to the fetus.
     
    Oh, and Farb cannot just decide that some abortions are not really abortions. Abortion is a medical term and it has a meaning. You cannot just change the meanings of words to suit your religious dogma.
    abortion /ə-bôr′shən/

    noun​

    1. Induced termination of a pregnancy with destruction of the embryo or fetus.
    2. Any of various procedures that result in the termination of a pregnancy.

    Did I attempt to use another definition?
     
    abortion /ə-bôr′shən/

    noun​

    1. Induced termination of a pregnancy with destruction of the embryo or fetus.
    2. Any of various procedures that result in the termination of a pregnancy.

    Did I attempt to use another definition?
    Yes, you said some terminations of pregnancy weren’t really abortions.
     
    Farb throws out gotcha-bait, he does not follow, follow up or follow through on anything. He just gotcha-baits.


    Farb just admitted that he started this thread as gotcha-bait.


    Like almost everything Farb says, this has been proven false several times in this thread.

    No one has endorsed the government encouraging people to kill themselves.

    The one source that Farb quoted about an alleged "slippery slope" was irrefutably shown to be lying. The Netherlands do not encourage their citizens to commit suicide.

    This thread was dishonestly started by Farb as gotcha-bait. Farb just flat out admitted that.

    After starting this thread under false pretense, Farb went on to quote sources who intentionally lied.

    People show you who the are by their actions. Farb has admitted he deceitfully started this thread to gotcha-bait on the abortion issue and then quoted sources who intentionally lied to support his false claims.

    Does that sound like someone you should trust?
    are you ok, though? I feel like this hit you kind of hard. You will be fine, walk it off.
     
    can you cite this law for me? i don't mean from Twitter or an article you read.
    Why? Are you saying you don't believe that Vermont has no term limit on abortions? If I did the cite the law for you would that change your mind at all?

    Can you check New Jersey, Oregon, New Mexico or Vermont for me and let me know what you find?
     

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