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    To get our minds off of the virus, debates and campaign theatrics for a moment, I thought it might be an interesting exercise to post our predictions of the final Electoral College margin. Of course, any prediction made would be a moment-in-time snapshot of what we think will happen given the current circumstances. Any number of factors could influence the vote over the final month of the campaign.

    There are sites that can help you arrive at your prediction. Real Clear Politics and 538 have polling data that can help you come up with a number. I use RCP mostly because they have a good interactive national map that's easy to use and they don't include polls conducted by companies like SurveyMonkey. They do, however include partisan polling, like Trafalgar and Change Research.

    My prediction started with looking at a best case scenario for a Trump reelection. I started by putting all of the states shown to lean in one direction in that camp. RCP shows states like Indiana and Missouri leaning Trump and Oregon and Virginia leaning Biden when those states and others like them are certainly going to end up in those columns. That leaves 11 "battleground" states (and two one-vote congressional districts) that theoretically could go either way and gives a picture of a 226-125 Biden lead before assigning a winner in those states. In looking at Trump's best case scenario, I gave him every state in which he is marginally ahead and those he is behind by less less than five points, as well as the two congressional districts. That would provide Biden with a slim 278-260 win. To come out with a better scenario for Trump, you would need to assign one or more of Michigan, Nevada, Pennsylvania, Wisconsin or New Hampshire to Trump and he is trailing in all of those states by more than five points.

    However, I don't believe that Trump will achieve his best case numbers and Biden could win several more states, like Arizona, Ohio, Florida, Iowa, North Carolina, Georgia and Texas. I still think Trump will likely keep Texas, Iowa and Georgia, so my prediction as of today is 353-185 in favor of Biden.

    If you choose to participate in this exercise, you are welcome to give different predictions over the course of the next month. I intend to post a final prediction on Nov. 2/3 and may even post a weekly prediction, depending on the level of participation.
     
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    The court issued a stay but the appeals court ordered that it could move forward. I think ultimately it may not stand, but not until after the damage is done from removing them which is already happening.
     
    Michigan and Pennsylvania are near locks. Biden’s over 50% in each. Trump isn’t peeling voters.

    Per RCP, that puts Biden at 262. He needs only one of the battlegrounds remaining, unless he only wins Nevada or Iowa and he would be sitting at 268.
     
    I'm still concerned that, given the high number of mail-in ballots, tens or maybe hundreds of thousands of votes for Biden might not be counted due to ballot spoilage, etc. in key states. I would be less concerned if the numbers of mail-in ballots per party were the same but the early numbers show the vast majority are from Democrats and independents. I subtract about 2-3% from Biden's results in the polling averages because of that.
     
    I'm still concerned that, given the high number of mail-in ballots, tens or maybe hundreds of thousands of votes for Biden might not be counted due to ballot spoilage, etc. in key states. I would be less concerned if the numbers of mail-in ballots per party were the same but the early numbers show the vast majority are from Democrats and independents. I subtract about 2-3% from Biden's results in the polling averages because of that.
    I'd imagine, the benefit of such early drop offs, is that there is a lot of time to 'cure' the ballot, if needed.

    I think we'd start hearing about it in the news if a bunch of people screwed up their ballots.
     
    now in the right thread....

    Great article on how election night can go. Basically if the race is called on Election night- which is more possible than I thought- it is really bad news for Trump. Basically he can’t win on Election night but Biden can if he wins Florida. No small task to be sure but he is leading there....

     
    I'm still concerned that, given the high number of mail-in ballots, tens or maybe hundreds of thousands of votes for Biden might not be counted due to ballot spoilage, etc. in key states. I would be less concerned if the numbers of mail-in ballots per party were the same but the early numbers show the vast majority are from Democrats and independents. I subtract about 2-3% from Biden's results in the polling averages because of that.
    Nate Silver pointed this out and it made sense to me: the positive trade off to mail in voting is how easy it makes it for people to cast their ballots, so even with ballot spoilage the Democrats pushing mail in balloting this cycle could possibly be a net positive versus election day issues that can come up like having to work longer than expected, car issues, voting line is way too long, etc.
     
    now in the right thread....

    Great article on how election night can go. Basically if the race is called on Election night- which is more possible than I thought- it is really bad news for Trump. Basically he can’t win on Election night but Biden can if he wins Florida. No small task to be sure but he is leading there....

    Yeah, even if we don't know for 100% certain on election night, if Biden wins Florida you'll almost certainly have won enough for the presidency
     
    Just to go by what I’m hearing off my daughters social media. The younger people are actually voting this year, and they approve of Biden by 50 points.
    Also, you are seeing senators and representatives starting to walk away from Trump to save themselves. If this is happening, they see the writing on the wall also.
    I honestly don’t think there is anything Trump or the RNC can do at this point. A large portion of society is furious at the Republicans, not only because of BLM, but the president’s attitude on race, the sexism, and last but not least host attempt to ram through a Supreme Court justice to replace the highly popular and respected RBG.
     
    Just to go by what I’m hearing off my daughters social media. The younger people are actually voting this year, and they approve of Biden by 50 points.
    Also, you are seeing senators and representatives starting to walk away from Trump to save themselves. If this is happening, they see the writing on the wall also.
    I honestly don’t think there is anything Trump or the RNC can do at this point. A large portion of society is furious at the Republicans, not only because of BLM, but the president’s attitude on race, the sexism, and last but not least host attempt to ram through a Supreme Court justice to replace the highly popular and respected RBG.
    I haven't seen a single true believer change in my circle.
     
    But that’s the thing. Trump needed to expand his base not just keep it the same. He won by 80,000 votes across three states.

    If he stays at or near the same tally and more voters simply show up then he will get washed out. Younger folks didn’t (and typically don’t). But in O8 they did and President Obama won by a big margin and swept majorities into both houses.
     
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    Your true believers won’t. But the people in the middle, and certainly the younger generation don’t always vote in great numbers. You get the people who just didn’t vote for Hillary because they didn’t like her, couple that with an enthusiastic younger group which will actually vote, and I do think it’s a bad time to be a republican.
     
    Reuters out with new battleground polls.

    Biden’s leader is growing in Wisconsin and Pennsylvania. Staying large in Michigan. No state Trump has made up ground

     

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