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    To get our minds off of the virus, debates and campaign theatrics for a moment, I thought it might be an interesting exercise to post our predictions of the final Electoral College margin. Of course, any prediction made would be a moment-in-time snapshot of what we think will happen given the current circumstances. Any number of factors could influence the vote over the final month of the campaign.

    There are sites that can help you arrive at your prediction. Real Clear Politics and 538 have polling data that can help you come up with a number. I use RCP mostly because they have a good interactive national map that's easy to use and they don't include polls conducted by companies like SurveyMonkey. They do, however include partisan polling, like Trafalgar and Change Research.

    My prediction started with looking at a best case scenario for a Trump reelection. I started by putting all of the states shown to lean in one direction in that camp. RCP shows states like Indiana and Missouri leaning Trump and Oregon and Virginia leaning Biden when those states and others like them are certainly going to end up in those columns. That leaves 11 "battleground" states (and two one-vote congressional districts) that theoretically could go either way and gives a picture of a 226-125 Biden lead before assigning a winner in those states. In looking at Trump's best case scenario, I gave him every state in which he is marginally ahead and those he is behind by less less than five points, as well as the two congressional districts. That would provide Biden with a slim 278-260 win. To come out with a better scenario for Trump, you would need to assign one or more of Michigan, Nevada, Pennsylvania, Wisconsin or New Hampshire to Trump and he is trailing in all of those states by more than five points.

    However, I don't believe that Trump will achieve his best case numbers and Biden could win several more states, like Arizona, Ohio, Florida, Iowa, North Carolina, Georgia and Texas. I still think Trump will likely keep Texas, Iowa and Georgia, so my prediction as of today is 353-185 in favor of Biden.

    If you choose to participate in this exercise, you are welcome to give different predictions over the course of the next month. I intend to post a final prediction on Nov. 2/3 and may even post a weekly prediction, depending on the level of participation.
     
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    I’d prefer to ignore these polls at this point. Starting to have worries about overconfidence and voters not showing up. Can we petition the news to quit showing them?
     
    I’d prefer to ignore these polls at this point. Starting to have worries about overconfidence and voters not showing up. Can we petition the news to quit showing them?
    I like to see if there are any shifts. It would start to show right about now.
     
    I like to see if there are any shifts. It would start to show right about now.
    The only shifts that have occurred towards trump is PA. Everything else is steady she goes. Even then, the tightening isn’t huge for PA. In 2016 the polling was off by 4.4. Biden is leading by 5.1.
    This is from a 538 Podcast yesterday. Not sure if any new polls came out today for PA.
     
    for what it's worth
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    Current polling points to former Vice President Joe Biden becoming the next president of the United States. However, his supporters and Democrats aren't as confident in their candidate as President Donald Trump and his supporters are in theirs.

    Going into the final week of the election, Biden has about an 8 percentage-point lead over Trump, according to a RealClearPolitics average. The gap poses a problem for the president winning the Electoral College, according to experts, But Trump is far from giving up and has a busy rally schedule in the days until November 3. Trump's supporters are still waiting in line for hours to secure a spot for one of his rallies, and polls show they're confident he'll pull out an election victory.

    Two YouGov polls—one that was done for The Economist and one for Yahoo!—both found 87 percent of Trump's supporters believe he'll win reelection................

     
    Hopefully this is an indicator of the shift, Cook moves Texas from leans R to toss-up:

     
    Hopefully this is an indicator of the shift, Cook moves Texas from leans R to toss-up:

    The bigger tell in that article is that Biden is outperforming Clinton in the suburbs of Pennsylvania while Trump is underperforming in the rural areas.
     
    I am not sure if this was posted earlier, but I thought this was a good article explaining the "hidden Trump voter"


    It should be noted that even though this article is clearly labeled as an opinion piece, the author did more research than anyone on Faux News who purports to be giving straight news under the guise of opinion.
     
    Here’s further discussion on 2016 vs 2020. From Reuter’s describing the same difference we have been discussing for weeks.

     

    Florida tightening, Georgia moving towards Biden, Ohio now a toss up vs Trump leading, PA still heavy Biden, NC still pretty heavy Biden,
     
    I like how 538 explains the election through the prism of pathways to 270. In 2016, Trump won because he captured the solid South and a few traditionally blue-state northern states. (Ohio, Michigan, PA)

    Assuming that Trump wins the solid South (dubious assumption): He would still have to capture one or more of those midwestern states.

    I read somewhere that Texas and GA are close. I think (and hope) Trump is toast.

    I think he'll win most of the solid south, including TX, including VA, but I think PA and Wisconsin flip for Biden, thus getting him to 270 even without Ohio.
     
    I like how 538 explains the election through the prism of pathways to 270. In 2016, Trump won because he captured the solid South and a few traditionally blue-state northern states. (Ohio, Michigan, PA)

    Assuming that Trump wins the solid South (dubious assumption): He would still have to capture one or more of those midwestern states.

    I read somewhere that Texas and GA are close. I think (and hope) Trump is toast.

    I think he'll win most of the solid south, including TX, including VA, but I think PA and Wisconsin flip for Biden, thus getting him to 270 even without Ohio.

    Trump won't even be close in Virginia. He'll lose VA by at least 5 points, maybe more.
     
    Trump won't even be close in Virginia. He'll lose VA by at least 5 points, maybe more.

    Yeah, nevermind that prediction considering Clinton carried it fairly easy in 2016; I think the polls indicate that it's around 8 pts in Va.

    I can't emphasize enough how significant some southern states possibly carrying Biden bodes for the future of the R Party.
     
    Yeah, nevermind that prediction considering Clinton carried it fairly easy in 2016; I think the polls indicate that it's around 8 pts in Va.

    I can't emphasize enough how significant some southern states possibly carrying Biden bodes for the future of the R Party.

    Here is my hot take. Actually I've been sitting on this for a while. Biden is more republican than Trump is. Whatever party trump is aligned with are not really republicans anymore. Or, the (R) party has moved so far right that a person like Biden is seen as a liberal... which is pretty absurd, but also scary how some 40% of the people would think such a thing.
     
    Here is my hot take. Actually I've been sitting on this for a while. Biden is more republican than Trump is. Whatever party trump is aligned with are not really republicans anymore. Or, the (R) party has moved so far right that a person like Biden is seen as a liberal... which is pretty absurd, but also scary how some 40% of the people would think such a thing.

    Well, I think that has a lot to do with the tribalism that clouds people's worldviews and perceptions. Too many automatically assume that if you're not a Republican, you're just another liberal. Heck, even RINOs get called libs too. It's absurd. If you're not in the tribe, you must be a liberal.
     
    Well, I think that has a lot to do with the tribalism that clouds people's worldviews and perceptions. Too many automatically assume that if you're not a Republican, you're just another liberal. Heck, even RINOs get called libs too. It's absurd. If you're not in the tribe, you must be a liberal.
    Very true in my neck of the woods. You are either with them or against them, and it is pretty close to an all or nothing thing with them as well. Agree with everything or get out.
     

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