Does Trump ever do any jail time? (1 Viewer)

[Optimus Prime]

Everything I've seen and heard says that the split second Donald Trump is no longer president there will be flood of charges waiting for him

And if he resigns and Pence pardons him there are a ton of state charges as an understudy waiting in the wings if the fed charges can't perform

What do you think the likelihood of there being a jail sentence?

In every movie and TV show I've ever seen, in every political thriller I've ever read about a criminal and corrupt president there is ALWAYS some version of;

"We can't do that to the country",

"A trial would tear the country apart",

"For the nation to heal we need to move on" etc.

Would life imitate art?

Even with the charges, even with the proof the charges are true will the powers that be decide, "we can't do that to the country"?

 

[Optimus Prime]

Despite all the talk of fancy apartments, free Mercedes-Benzes and cash flowing at Christmastime, the criminal tax fraud trial of Donald J. Trump’s family business could come down to three mundane words: “in behalf of.”

The company stands accused of doling out those off-the-books perks to several executives, who failed to pay taxes on them. The scheme’s architect — the Trump Organization’s longtime chief financial officer, Allen H. Weisselberg — pleaded guilty and testified at trial.

The company, however, is not automatically guilty of his crimes. Under New York law, prosecutors with the Manhattan district attorney’s office must prove that Mr. Weisselberg committed his many felonies “in behalf of” the Trump Organization, a clunky phrase that the judge overseeing the case has, in something of an understatement, called “a confusing area of the law.”

Ordinarily, when a company’s financial whiz becomes a star witness against it, things are not looking great. But if the Trump Organization has any hope of an acquittal or a hung jury after weeks of embarrassing revelations, it rests on this phrase, which has set off fierce semantic debate. The company’s lawyers have argued that the prosecution must prove that Mr. Weisselberg intended to benefit the corporation when he engineered the scheme — and that “in behalf of” can mean nothing else...........

Verdict in Trump Organization Trial Could Come Down to 3 Little Words

 

[superchuck500]

11th Circuit rules that Judge Cannon’s order was junk - she never had jurisdiction in the first place. We all knew that but it’s nice to see another round of faith justified.

 

[DJ1BigTymer]

11th Circuit rules that Judge Cannon’s order was junk - she never had jurisdiction in the first place. We all knew that but it’s nice to see another round of faith justified.

BLUF:

This appeal requires us to consider whether the district court had jurisdiction to block the United States from using lawfully seized records in a criminal investigation. The answer is no.

Another thing that bugs me about this whole thing is how those records were available to him to just move them to Florida in the first place. Is the WH exempt from the laws & regulations governing the handling of classified documents?

SCI documents are continuously under custodial guard and are stored in a vault when they are not actively in use. If the WH is not exempt and those docs were being handled properly, then trump would have had to tell whoever had control of those docs to retrieve them and that person is equally liable for trumps crimes.

 

[FullMonte]

BLUF:



Another thing that bugs me about this whole thing is how those records were available to him to just move them to Florida in the first place. Is the WH exempt from the laws & regulations governing the handling of classified documents?

SCI documents are continuously under custodial guard and are stored in a vault when they are not actively in use. If the WH is not exempt and those docs were being handled properly, then trump would have had to tell whoever had control of those docs to retrieve them and that person is equally liable for trumps crimes.

No, the White House is not exempt from those regulations. But, there are people at the White House, and those people can take actions that do not follow regulations. So, when Trump was given classified information, he could have put that information into places it should not have been stored, and then it would be moved to Florida.

The reality is that if the president were to mishandle classified information, it would take someone with some significant stones to call him out on it, and he would have to be willing to listen to what they said, and correct the error. Neither of those things existed in Trump's administration.

 

[MT15]

No, the White House is not exempt from those regulations. But, there are people at the White House, and those people can take actions that do not follow regulations. So, when Trump was given classified information, he could have put that information into places it should not have been stored, and then it would be moved to Florida.

The reality is that if the president were to mishandle classified information, it would take someone with some significant stones to call him out on it, and he would have to be willing to listen to what they said, and correct the error. Neither of those things existed in Trump's administration.

Not in the final days, anyway. He started out with a few of those people who would tell him no, but he managed to purge every last one of them.

 

[Taurus]

No, the White House is not exempt from those regulations. But, there are people at the White House, and those people can take actions that do not follow regulations. So, when Trump was given classified information, he could have put that information into places it should not have been stored, and then it would be moved to Florida.

The reality is that if the president were to mishandle classified information, it would take someone with some significant stones to call him out on it, and he would have to be willing to listen to what they said, and correct the error. Neither of those things existed in Trump's administration.

"You're supposed to put that back in the vault, Mr President."

"Nah, I'm keeping it. Could come in handy."

"..."

"You're still here?"

 

[Maxp]

"You're supposed to put that back in the vault, Mr President."

"Nah, I'm keeping it. Could come in handy."

"..."

"You're still here?"

Throws hambirder at staffer spilling ketchup on classified documents...

 

[Optimus Prime]

Must have slipped his mind
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Donald Trump failed to disclose a $19.8m loan from a company with historical ties to North Korea, while he was the US president, according to a new report.

Documents obtained by the New York attorney general, and reported by Forbes, on Sunday indicate a previously unreported loan owed by Trump to Daewoo, the South Korean conglomerate…….

According to documents reviewed by Forbes, the $19.8m balance remained the same from 2011 to 2016. Five months into Trump’s presidency, the balance dropped to $4.3m, according to paperwork that showcased Trump’s finances as of 30 June 2017.

Soon after, “Daewoo was bought out of its position on July 5, 2017,” the documents said, without disclosing who satisfied the debt.

Forbes reports that even though the loan was reported on the Trump Organization’s internal documents, it was not disclosed on the former president’s public financial disclosure reports. Under disclosure laws, Trump was required to submit the documents to federal officials during his presidential campaign and after he became president.

In 2016, Trump’s chief financial officer, Allen Weisselberg, said that Trump had disclosed all debts related to companies that Trump had a 100% stake in.

Despite the apparent gap in disclosures, Trump may not have violated any laws, though the existence of the debt still could have posed a conflict of interest…….

Trump did not disclose $19.8m loan while president, documents show

The loan from Daewoo, a company with ties to North Korea, and should have been on public financial disclosure reports

www.theguardian.com

 

[cuddlemonkey]

Must have slipped his mind
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Donald Trump failed to disclose a $19.8m loan from a company with historical ties to North Korea, while he was the US president, according to a new report.

Documents obtained by the New York attorney general, and reported by Forbes, on Sunday indicate a previously unreported loan owed by Trump to Daewoo, the South Korean conglomerate…….

According to documents reviewed by Forbes, the $19.8m balance remained the same from 2011 to 2016. Five months into Trump’s presidency, the balance dropped to $4.3m, according to paperwork that showcased Trump’s finances as of 30 June 2017.

Soon after, “Daewoo was bought out of its position on July 5, 2017,” the documents said, without disclosing who satisfied the debt.

Forbes reports that even though the loan was reported on the Trump Organization’s internal documents, it was not disclosed on the former president’s public financial disclosure reports. Under disclosure laws, Trump was required to submit the documents to federal officials during his presidential campaign and after he became president.

In 2016, Trump’s chief financial officer, Allen Weisselberg, said that Trump had disclosed all debts related to companies that Trump had a 100% stake in.

Despite the apparent gap in disclosures, Trump may not have violated any laws, though the existence of the debt still could have posed a conflict of interest…….

Trump did not disclose $19.8m loan while president, documents show

The loan from Daewoo, a company with ties to North Korea, and should have been on public financial disclosure reports

www.theguardian.com

Totally above board, I'm sure...

 

[MT15]

Must have slipped his mind
=====================
Donald Trump failed to disclose a $19.8m loan from a company with historical ties to North Korea, while he was the US president, according to a new report.

Documents obtained by the New York attorney general, and reported by Forbes, on Sunday indicate a previously unreported loan owed by Trump to Daewoo, the South Korean conglomerate…….

According to documents reviewed by Forbes, the $19.8m balance remained the same from 2011 to 2016. Five months into Trump’s presidency, the balance dropped to $4.3m, according to paperwork that showcased Trump’s finances as of 30 June 2017.

Soon after, “Daewoo was bought out of its position on July 5, 2017,” the documents said, without disclosing who satisfied the debt.

Forbes reports that even though the loan was reported on the Trump Organization’s internal documents, it was not disclosed on the former president’s public financial disclosure reports. Under disclosure laws, Trump was required to submit the documents to federal officials during his presidential campaign and after he became president.

In 2016, Trump’s chief financial officer, Allen Weisselberg, said that Trump had disclosed all debts related to companies that Trump had a 100% stake in.

Despite the apparent gap in disclosures, Trump may not have violated any laws, though the existence of the debt still could have posed a conflict of interest…….

Trump did not disclose $19.8m loan while president, documents show

The loan from Daewoo, a company with ties to North Korea, and should have been on public financial disclosure reports

www.theguardian.com

And this will be roundly ignored by Rs. While they have hissy fits about made up crap about Biden. And Ds probably won’t do much about it because as it says, it’s probably not illegal. Just unethical and immoral.

 

[Optimus Prime]

(CNN) — A Manhattan jury has found two Trump Organization companies guilty on multiple charges of criminal tax fraud and falsifying business records connected to a 15-year scheme to defraud tax authorities by failing to report and pay taxes on compensation for top executives.

The Trump Corp. and Trump Payroll Corp. were found guilty on all charges they faced.

Donald Trump and his family have not been charged in this case……

Trump Organization found guilty on multiple counts of criminal tax fraud | CNN Politics

A Manhattan jury has found two Trump Organization companies guilty on multiple charges of criminal tax fraud and falsifying business records connected to a 15-year scheme to defraud tax authorities by failing to report and pay taxes on compensation for top executives.

www.cnn.com

 

[SamAndreas]

Trump comes next.

 

[samiam5211]

Trump comes next.

I think a Trump is next, but i'm not sure it is Donald's turn just yet.

 

[superchuck500]

 

[Saintamaniac]

I was watching coverage of this and one of the reporters said something that made me feel like this is a desperation move by the Trump team to try to make it seem like Trump had no idea that there were Top Secret documents in the storage unit and that illustrates that he really didn't know about the documents because they were packed quickly and taken to MAL. I mean his other lawyers have put their careers on the line. Why not this new set of lawyers.

 

[superchuck500]

I was watching coverage of this and one of the reporters said something that made me feel like this is a desperation move by the Trump team to try to make it seem like Trump had no idea that there were Top Secret documents in the storage unit and that illustrates that he really didn't know about the documents because they were packed quickly and taken to MAL. I mean his other lawyers have put their careers on the line. Why not this new set of lawyers.

That argument seems pretty flat when you consider (a) he also had documents in his desk, (b) he personally instructed counsel to attest to the earlier disclosure being complete when it wasn’t and (c) he was personally instructed about document handling and the presidential records act when he was leaving the White House and appears to have intentionally disregarded it. I’ll accept that he may not have known that specific documents were in storage but I don’t think it’s exculpatory in any way.

 

[efil4]

That argument seems pretty flat when you consider (a) he also had documents in his desk, (b) he personally instructed counsel to attest to the earlier disclosure being complete when it wasn’t and (c) he was personally instructed about document handling and the presidential records act when he was leaving the White House and appears to have intentionally disregarded it. I’ll accept that he may not have known that specific documents were in storage but I don’t think it’s exculpatory in any way.

So ignorance is not a defense??

Shoot then Dave Chappelle lied about his buddy Chip.

 

[J-DONK]

We now know why Trump was ranting about terminating the constitution.