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    Everything I've seen and heard says that the split second Donald Trump is no longer president there will be flood of charges waiting for him

    And if he resigns and Pence pardons him there are a ton of state charges as an understudy waiting in the wings if the fed charges can't perform

    What do you think the likelihood of there being a jail sentence?

    In every movie and TV show I've ever seen, in every political thriller I've ever read about a criminal and corrupt president there is ALWAYS some version of;

    "We can't do that to the country",

    "A trial would tear the country apart",

    "For the nation to heal we need to move on" etc.

    Would life imitate art?

    Even with the charges, even with the proof the charges are true will the powers that be decide, "we can't do that to the country"?
     
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    Not nuclear secrets but still
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    Congressional investigators are looking for dozens of pricey mementos gifted to former president Donald Trump and his family members by foreign governments, according to three people familiar with the matter.

    The House Oversight Committee has asked for help in locating the items from the National Archives, which is among the agencies charged with keeping presidential gifts, two of the people said.

    The eclectic list ranges from golf clubs given to Trump by Japanese Prime Minister Shinzo Abe to a 2018 World Cup soccer ball gifted by Russian President Vladimir Putin, a gold-plated collar of Horus, the falcon-headed ancient Egyptian god, given by Egypt’s president, a large painting of Trump from the president of El Salvador, and a $6,400 collar of King Abdulaziz al Saud, a ceremonial honor from Saudi Arabia, according to a person familiar with the matter, who spoke on the condition of anonymity to discuss an ongoing investigation……..

     
    Optimus Prime said:
    Not nuclear secrets but still
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    Congressional investigators are looking for dozens of pricey mementos gifted to former president Donald Trump and his family members by foreign governments, according to three people familiar with the matter.

    The House Oversight Committee has asked for help in locating the items from the National Archives, which is among the agencies charged with keeping presidential gifts, two of the people said.

    The eclectic list ranges from golf clubs given to Trump by Japanese Prime Minister Shinzo Abe to a 2018 World Cup soccer ball gifted by Russian President Vladimir Putin, a gold-plated collar of Horus, the falcon-headed ancient Egyptian god, given by Egypt’s president, a large painting of Trump from the president of El Salvador, and a $6,400 collar of King Abdulaziz al Saud, a ceremonial honor from Saudi Arabia, according to a person familiar with the matter, who spoke on the condition of anonymity to discuss an ongoing investigation……..

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    Wait, wait...a COLLAR?
    I always knew Trump was a bottom.
     
    Good read
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    What should Attorney General Merrick Garland do if Donald Trump declares that he is running for president?

    Specifically, should Garland name a special counsel to take over the various federal criminal investigations of Trump’s conduct, on the theory that this conflict of interest — an administration headed by one president investigating someone running to replace him — requires bringing in an outside party?


    This is not an easy question — there are strong arguments both for and against.

    This column will make my best case on either side and — stick with me — tell you where I ultimately come down.


    The case for a special counsel.

    It’s broadly accepted that the Justice Department can’t be trusted to investigate a person who sits atop the federal government that includes the Justice Department.

    During the Watergate scandal, special prosecutor Archibald Cox was named to investigate President Richard M. Nixon; after Watergate, which included Nixon’s firing of Cox, Congress passed the independent counsel statute.

    That produced Kenneth W. Starr’s investigation of President Bill Clinton, which famously sprawled far beyond its original focus on the Whitewater real estate investment deal……

    The conflict-of-interest argument applies with similar force in the reverse situation: Much of the public would be skeptical of any prosecution brought against Trump by political appointees answering to President Biden, who has said he intends to run for reelection.

    Perhaps, given Trump’s barely disguised interest in returning to office, it would have been appropriate for Garland to already have named a special counsel, but an official Trump candidacy would supercharge the situation past the point where it is tenable.


    This is a paradigmatic conflict of interest. It would be hypocritical for those who applauded the selection of an outside counsel in the Russia probe to oppose one now.

    Declining would also set a terrible precedent — one that those who argue against a special counsel now could regret with a different attorney general in place……..

    The case against a special counsel.

    Yes, it’s a conflict of interest for the Justice Department to investigate the sitting president’s chief political opponent.

    But as a practical matter, it’s hard to see how a special counsel would assure skeptical members of the public that the investigation is being conducted without political influence.


    Let’s be serious: In the current polarized political environment, there’s no one that Garland could choose who would quell the concerns of those who wouldn’t trust Garland to make the call.

    Any lawyer with Democratic ties will be immediately suspect for Trump partisans, as would any lawyer with Republican ties but a track record of criticizing Trump. On the other side, the task can’t possibly be entrusted to a known Trump supporter.

    So who, then?

    The regulations call for “a lawyer with a reputation for integrity and impartial decisionmaking.” A former judge, perhaps, but judges have political affiliations, too. A special counsel won’t do much of anything to solve the problem they’re supposed to address.

    And the conflict, although undeniable, is not as acute as when Rosenstein tapped Mueller.

    Trump’s actions had made clear that he did not respect the traditional separation between the White House and law enforcement; he asked then-FBI Director James B. Comey to pledge his loyalty, then tried to get Comey to drop an investigation into departed national security adviser Michael Flynn.


    In contrast, Biden has displayed no inclination to meddle in criminal probes; he has taken pains to say and do the opposite, while Garland has instituted strict firewalls against political interference.

    He would not tolerate it, and he has a track record to this effect, having allowed a criminal investigation of the president’s son, Hunter Biden, to proceed unimpeded by the Trump-era holdover U.S. attorney in Delaware…….

     
    I suspect that some of the biggest supporters of Trump's prosecution will be the traditional part of the Republican party. He's going to ruin their 2024 primaries.
     
    And the scoreboard now shows:

    Four, count ‘em, four pending investigations that have the potential for criminal indictments! It’s a blowout! He is the world greatest indictee.

    But the races for which one is he indicted on first still is there.

    And that ties up the Federal vs State at 2 apiece! It’s gonna come down to the wire folks!
     
    ........Meanwhile, she revealed, that behind closed doors Trump thinks that announcing his run "complicates things for the Justice Department." It's thought that Attorney General Merrick Garland will announce an indictment against Trump for stealing documents from the White House upon leaving in Jan. 2021. Many of those documents also turned out to be classified or top secret.

    "He thinks that announcing gives him insulation against indictment," Haberman said. "It does make it more challenging for the Justice Department. His thinking is that it's already complicated for the sitting president, President Biden's Justice Department, to indict Trump as a former president, but as a candidate, even though Biden has been very clear that it's an independent Justice Department Trump is still going to say, 'Biden is telling the Justice Department to come after me.''"

    If Trump had not announced his candidacy, however, it's likely he would have employed the exact same strategy to try and make the Justice Department indictment against him look political. The one option the DOJ has is to ask the judge in the case to place a gag order around the case. Trying to keep Trump quiet on his own indictment, however, would likely prove difficult and a judge would have to warn of stiff penalties that included jail to ensure Trump abided by such an order............

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    Optimus Prime said:
    ........Meanwhile, she revealed, that behind closed doors Trump thinks that announcing his run "complicates things for the Justice Department." It's thought that Attorney General Merrick Garland will announce an indictment against Trump for stealing documents from the White House upon leaving in Jan. 2021. Many of those documents also turned out to be classified or top secret.

    "He thinks that announcing gives him insulation against indictment," Haberman said. "It does make it more challenging for the Justice Department. His thinking is that it's already complicated for the sitting president, President Biden's Justice Department, to indict Trump as a former president, but as a candidate, even though Biden has been very clear that it's an independent Justice Department Trump is still going to say, 'Biden is telling the Justice Department to come after me.''"

    If Trump had not announced his candidacy, however, it's likely he would have employed the exact same strategy to try and make the Justice Department indictment against him look political. The one option the DOJ has is to ask the judge in the case to place a gag order around the case. Trying to keep Trump quiet on his own indictment, however, would likely prove difficult and a judge would have to warn of stiff penalties that included jail to ensure Trump abided by such an order............

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    That last paragraph is crucial. Trump has proven that rules without consequences aren't rules, they're suggestions. Of course, even if a judge were to stipulate jail time, Trump would blab anyway and dare the DOJ to prosecute that, as well.
     
    Taurus said:
    That last paragraph is crucial. Trump has proven that rules without consequences aren't rules, they're suggestions. Of course, even if a judge were to stipulate jail time, Trump would blab anyway and dare the DOJ to prosecute that, as well.
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    One can hope at some point it becomes a FAAFO situation
     
    Optimus Prime said:
    ........Meanwhile, she revealed, that behind closed doors Trump thinks that announcing his run "complicates things for the Justice Department." It's thought that Attorney General Merrick Garland will announce an indictment against Trump for stealing documents from the White House upon leaving in Jan. 2021. Many of those documents also turned out to be classified or top secret.

    "He thinks that announcing gives him insulation against indictment," Haberman said. "It does make it more challenging for the Justice Department. His thinking is that it's already complicated for the sitting president, President Biden's Justice Department, to indict Trump as a former president, but as a candidate, even though Biden has been very clear that it's an independent Justice Department Trump is still going to say, 'Biden is telling the Justice Department to come after me.''"

    If Trump had not announced his candidacy, however, it's likely he would have employed the exact same strategy to try and make the Justice Department indictment against him look political. The one option the DOJ has is to ask the judge in the case to place a gag order around the case. Trying to keep Trump quiet on his own indictment, however, would likely prove difficult and a judge would have to warn of stiff penalties that included jail to ensure Trump abided by such an order............

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    There has been some talk that Garland would appoint a Special Counsel. Garland is by the book and it seems appropriate here. So we end up with Mueller 2.0. But the difference now is that there is no non-prosecution policy - unless/until Trump happens to win again.

    I think it depends on how mature these investigations are.
     
    superchuck500 said:
    There has been some talk that Garland would appoint a Special Counsel. Garland is by the book and it seems appropriate here. So we end up with Mueller 2.0. But the difference now is that there is no non-prosecution policy - unless/until Trump happens to win again.

    I think it depends on how mature these investigations are.
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    This article talked about the pros and cons of a special counsel

     
    Didn’t someone in Trump’s orbit recently try to sell some nonsense about Trump being a highly sought after baseball prospect while he was in school? Lol. How can anyone fall for this crap?

     
    wardorican said:
    I'm sure it went down like this...

    "It would be a shame if the IRS investigated them" or "wouldnt it be wonderful if the IRS investigated those guys"
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    I doubt it - he’s not that crafty.

    I’m sure it was “I want them audited!” And he was told “That’s illegal.”

    So then he found someone he could trust to do whatever and made sure IRS did it.
     
    Guess this can go here
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    A Republican political strategist was convicted of illegally helping a Russian businessman contribute to Donald Trump’s presidential campaign in 2016.


    Jesse Benton, 44, was pardoned by Trump in 2020 for a different campaign finance crime, months before he was indicted again on six counts related to facilitating an illegal foreign campaign donation. He was found guilty Thursday on all six counts.


    Elections “reflect the values and the priorities and the beliefs of American citizens,” Assistant U.S. Attorney Michelle Parikh said in her closing argument this week. “Jesse Benton by his actions did damage to those principles.”


    The evidence at trial showed that Benton bought a $25,000 ticket to a September 2016 Republican National Committee (RNC) event on behalf of Roman Vasilenko, a Russian naval officer turned multilevel marketer. (Vasilenko is under investigation in Russia for allegedly running a pyramid scheme, according to the Kommersant newspaper; he could not be reached for comment.)

    The donation got Vasilenko a picture with Trump and entrance to a “business roundtable” with the future president.

    Vasilenko connected with Benton through Doug Wead, an evangelical ally of the Bush family who was also involved in multilevel marketing.

    Vasilenko sent $100,000 to Benton, who was working for a pro-Trump super PAC at the time, supposedly for consulting services. Benton subsequently donated $25,000 to the RNC by credit card to cover the ticket……

     

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