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    Optimus Prime

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    Everything I've seen and heard says that the split second Donald Trump is no longer president there will be flood of charges waiting for him

    And if he resigns and Pence pardons him there are a ton of state charges as an understudy waiting in the wings if the fed charges can't perform

    What do you think the likelihood of there being a jail sentence?

    In every movie and TV show I've ever seen, in every political thriller I've ever read about a criminal and corrupt president there is ALWAYS some version of;

    "We can't do that to the country",

    "A trial would tear the country apart",

    "For the nation to heal we need to move on" etc.

    Would life imitate art?

    Even with the charges, even with the proof the charges are true will the powers that be decide, "we can't do that to the country"?
     
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    Lapaz said:
    If Trump believes he is the president, then it could be argued that he thinks he isn't breaking a law. Can his state of mind/delusion be a viable defense?
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    It could. It might even work except that walking avatar of narcissism can't admit to imperfection.
     
    Lapaz said:
    If Trump believes he is the president, then it could be argued that he thinks he isn't breaking a law. Can his state of mind/delusion be a viable defense?
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    Isn't Alex Jones trying to use the same defense? I shouldn't be held accoutable for anything because "I thought i was right"?
     
    FullMonte said:
    He also asked why George Bush (who died 4 years ago) isnt being investigated for keeping classified documents in a Chinese restaurant.

    www.businessinsider.com

    Trump said former President George H.W. Bush kept secret government documents in a combination bowling alley and Chinese restaurant and should be investigated. Bush died in 2018.

    Trump's speech also falsely claimed Barack Obama moved over 33 million pages of documents to a "totally unsafe former furniture store."
    www.businessinsider.com www.businessinsider.com
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    SaintForLife said:
    Didn't the courts rule that "NARA does not have the authority to designate materials as Presidential records, NARA doesn't have the tapes in question, and NARA lacks any right, duty, or means to seize control of them" back during the case of Judicial Watch vs NARA in reference to President Clinton?

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    Does that have any relevance to Trump's dispute with NARA?
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    Here's what happened in this case - Judicial Watch (an NGO watchdog organization) sued NARA for failing to declare audio tapes created by President Clinton and a historian to be "presidential records" under the PRA. The case holds that the PRA (not NARA) defines what presidential records are and what personal records are. The decision to segregate personal records from presidential records is at the president's discretion - not NARA's. Basically, the ruling here (by the district court in DC) is that as to the plaintiff's claim (that NARA should have determined the tapes to be presential records and seized them from Clinton), the court is saying that they appear to be personal records under the statute, and the decision to keep them as personal records is that of the president. So the plaintiff has no claim against NARA, that isn't within NARA's authority (to seize or control personal records of the president).

    Here's what the opinion, at p. 4, notes about the PRA as it applies to the audio tapes:

    The PRA distinguishes Presidential records from “personal records,” defining personal records as “all documentary materials, or any reasonably segregable portion thereof, of a purely private or nonpublic character which do not relate to or have an effect upon the carrying out of the constitutional, statutory, or other official or ceremonial duties of the President.” Id. § 2201(3). The PRA provides that “diaries, journals or other personal notes serving as the functional equivalent of a diary or journal which are not prepared or utilized for, or circulated or communicated in the course of, transacting Governmental business” should be treated as personal records. Id. § 2201(3)(A). The PRA requires that all materials produced or received by the President, “to the extent practicable, be categorized as Presidential records or personal records upon their creation or receipt and be filed separately.” Id. § 2203(b).

    So does any of this apply to the Trump situation? To the extent that the records in question contain documents that are purely private and do not relate the carrying out of the duties of the president, including diary/journal type material that are not prepared during the course of or for the purpose of transacting government, those records can be reasonably described as personal and Trump has the discretion to determine to keep them.

    There may be some of that in there, but that's not what DOJ is after, nor what NARA is after - and certainly documents including classified documents, White House phone logs, etc. aren't going to be within this possible distinction, and the PRA squarely defines those records as presidential records. So it's not that NARA defined them as presidential records, they are presidential records as defined by the PRA, but NARA is the agency that was initially responsible for ensuring that they were properly handled at the end of the administration.

    And Trump doesn't strike me as a man who keeps a journal.
     
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    What if every criminal used this defense? There are plenty of criminals not investigated in crimes, does that mean we shouldn't investigate any?
     
    Regarding that false certification that all documents had been returned? Yeah - so the blame game has begun but it really doesn’t matter for Bobb, she can’t just blame Corcoran, she’s a lawyer, she knows better than to just sign something.


     
    A new poll has found that a majority of Black voters believe former President Trump should face criminal charges for how he handled classified documents after leaving office.

    The poll, released Tuesday as part of the HIT Strategies monthly BlackTrack survey, found 81 percent of Black voters support the Department of Justice’s investigation into Trump and 80 percent want to see him charged.

    Trump held more than 300 classified documents after leaving the White House, and an unsealed warrant in August revealed federal authorities were investigating him for possible violations of the Espionage Act.

    But the number of Black voters who want to see the former president charged is significantly higher than the numbers of other voters who feel the same.

    An August poll by The Economist and YouGov showed only 54 percent of the general population approved of the probe and only 45 percent believed Trump should face criminal charges. At the time, only 59 percent of Black voters believed he should face criminal charges.

    “It’s likely a widely held understanding that the justice system operates one way for the rich and powerful and another way for everyone else,” Jermaine House, senior director of communications for HIT Strategies, said in a statement to The Hill..............

     
    Optimus Prime said:
    A new poll has found that a majority of Black voters believe former President Trump should face criminal charges for how he handled classified documents after leaving office.

    The poll, released Tuesday as part of the HIT Strategies monthly BlackTrack survey, found 81 percent of Black voters support the Department of Justice’s investigation into Trump and 80 percent want to see him charged.

    Trump held more than 300 classified documents after leaving the White House, and an unsealed warrant in August revealed federal authorities were investigating him for possible violations of the Espionage Act.

    But the number of Black voters who want to see the former president charged is significantly higher than the numbers of other voters who feel the same.

    An August poll by The Economist and YouGov showed only 54 percent of the general population approved of the probe and only 45 percent believed Trump should face criminal charges. At the time, only 59 percent of Black voters believed he should face criminal charges.

    “It’s likely a widely held understanding that the justice system operates one way for the rich and powerful and another way for everyone else,” Jermaine House, senior director of communications for HIT Strategies, said in a statement to The Hill..............

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    I hate to sound insensitive, but who cares? African Americans are what, 16-17% of the population? There's just not enough mass to move the needle.
    It took a once-in-a-lifetime, historic turnout to put Doug Jones in the Senate and he was immediately stomped by a football coach with as much Constitutional knowledge as my Great Pyrenees.
     
    superchuck500 said:
    So the way it works is that Thomas can reject/deny it himself - or he can refer it to the full court for consideration. If he denies it acting alone, Trump can then apply again to another justice and it starts over. If he grants it acting alone, DOJ can appeal to the full court. For these reasons, justices typically refer applications to the court unless they're quite confident there won't be meaningful dissent.
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    So that's that.
     
    Can we see the vote? I would be curious if Thomas was again alone in siding with Trump.
     

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