Does Trump ever do any jail time? (2 Viewers)

[Optimus Prime]

Everything I've seen and heard says that the split second Donald Trump is no longer president there will be flood of charges waiting for him

And if he resigns and Pence pardons him there are a ton of state charges as an understudy waiting in the wings if the fed charges can't perform

What do you think the likelihood of there being a jail sentence?

In every movie and TV show I've ever seen, in every political thriller I've ever read about a criminal and corrupt president there is ALWAYS some version of;

"We can't do that to the country",

"A trial would tear the country apart",

"For the nation to heal we need to move on" etc.

Would life imitate art?

Even with the charges, even with the proof the charges are true will the powers that be decide, "we can't do that to the country"?

 

[SaintForLife]

Well, it is 24 hours since he stopped being president. Have we heard about any charges ?

This was one was talked about constantly. I'm not surprised it's dead.

 

[The moose]

This was one was talked about constantly. I'm not surprised it's dead.

Well I think they have him on a much bigger hook for the tax shirt. The minor campaign finance scam is a drop in the bucket in comparison to the huge tax scams he and his family have run.

Well glad to see you back around. I was worrying about all the missing republican voices had health problems.

 

[MT15]

I probably don’t agree with Liz Cheney on much, but she is not backing down from criticizing Trump’s words and actions. You have to respect her for that.

 

[SaulGoodmanEsq]

This was one was talked about constantly. I'm not surprised it's dead.

Welcome back, buddy. Remember that time you snickered at my comment saying I think we would see violence against politicians in the not so distant future... and that was before the January 6 riots. Good times.

For the record I don't think Trump will go to jail.

 

[Roofgardener]

He'll go to jail, but only if he has broken the law ?

I appreciate that some of the liberals regard his mere existence - and the fact that he deprived the Blessed Hillary of her Presidency - are crime enough. Sadly, the constitution and the Criminal Code isn't written that way. (yet).

 

[MT15]

So disingenuous. How many laws would you have him break before he suffers any consequences?

He has been breaking laws his entire life. He started out in his twenties violating the Fair Housing regulations, along with his father, by discriminating against black people renting his properties.

The one just brought up by SFL was one that sent his lawyer to prison. It was clearly a violation of campaign finance laws. As president he was in violation of the emoluments clause and he clearly obstructed justice.

Pro Publica has some pretty damning evidence that he has committed both bank fraud and insurance fraud over the years. There is a pretty good bet that he has cheated on his taxes as well.

There is fresh evidence that he may have committed another campaign finance violation in dumping a bunch of the money just raised by his campaign into the Trump Organization. And we haven’t even discussed his probable money laundering for the Russian mob.

Anyone saying he will go to prison IF he violated any laws is either not paying attention, or trolling.

 

[Roofgardener]

So disingenuous. How many laws would you have him break before he suffers any consequences?

He has been breaking laws his entire life. He started out in his twenties violating the Fair Housing regulations, along with his father, by discriminating against black people renting his properties.

The one just brought up by SFL was one that sent his lawyer to prison. It was clearly a violation of campaign finance laws. As president he was in violation of the emoluments clause and he clearly obstructed justice.

Pro Publica has some pretty damning evidence that he has committed both bank fraud and insurance fraud over the years. There is a pretty good bet that he has cheated on his taxes as well.

There is fresh evidence that he may have committed another campaign finance violation in dumping a bunch of the money just raised by his campaign into the Trump Organization. And we haven’t even discussed his probable money laundering for the Russian mob.

Anyone saying he will go to prison IF he violated any laws is either not paying attention, or trolling.

Well EEEEEEXCUSE me for just quoting common (in civilized countries) Jurisprudence. You are not supposed to be put in prison without first being found guilty of breaking specific laws. It may - of course - be different in Socialist Utopias.

You may wish to consider the difference between accusations and guilt

 

[MT15]

These aren’t all mere allegations. There are pretty detailed examinations of criminal activity in the Mueller Report. Trump obstructed justice. That’s been laid out in detailed fashion.

Look up Pro Publica’s examination of his company, it was done in podcast form and is called “Trump, Inc.”. Numerous violations.

Here is a quote from a Reuters piece about the testimony of his lawyer about criminal business practices.

“They also included the case of Trump’s former personal lawyer Michael Cohen, who pleaded guilty to campaign finance and other charges, and testified to Congress it was common for the Trump Organization to falsify records when seeking loans.

Vance had previously said his probe also related to reports of “possibly extensive and protracted criminal conduct” at the Trump Organization, including possible insurance and bank fraud by the company and its officers.”

Trump could face tax fraud probe, Manhattan prosecutor says

Manhattan's district attorney said on Monday he might have grounds to investigate President Donald Trump and his businesses for tax fraud, as he seeks to persuade a federal appeals court to let him obtain Trump's tax returns.

www.reuters.com

If you would like to discuss Trump’s criminal activity, both proven and alleged, it would be better if you were informed about it, don’t you think?

 

[Roofgardener]

So you aren’t going to address any of the evidence of criminal and/or extra-legal activity?

Yes I will, because I am a US Federal Court.

Oh wait.. no I'm not. So perhaps I'll wait to see what the REAL courts make of it ?

What is the difference between "criminal" and "extra-legal" ???

 

[JRad]

Blessed Hillary of her Presidency

The only people who care about Hillary Clinton are Trumpers. She wasn’t a highly regarded candidate to most.

 

[MT15]

Yes I will, because I am a US Federal Court.

Oh wait.. no I'm not. So perhaps I'll wait to see what the REAL courts make of it ?

What is the difference between "criminal" and "extra-legal" ???

certain actions will be illegal but not criminal. Trump has almost certainly committed both.

 

[Yggdrasill]

He'll go to jail, but only if he has broken the law ?

I appreciate that some of the liberals regard his mere existence - and the fact that he deprived the Blessed Hillary of her Presidency - are crime enough. Sadly, the constitution and the Criminal Code isn't written that way. (yet).

Wow, that is an almost insulting and completely meaningless assertion. Some of the liberals? How many? Which ones?

I voted for Hillary, not because I liked her - which I do not as she and her husband both are corrupt and arrogant - but because I knew she wouldn't take the country off the rails as Trump did. Almost nothing he did surprised me. His relentless support from a certain segment of the population, as well as the willingness of many Republicans to turn a blind eye, on the other, very much did.

As a Brit, you may not have an historical knowledge of Trump and his character, which have been well documented in the press over the last 30 years. For goodness sake, he committed campaign finance fraud before he was even elected by illegally paying off a porn star to keep quiet about their affair.

I am certain that many charges will be brought against him, in various courts, and that many, if not most, will stick.

 

[Roofgardener]

certain actions will be illegal but not criminal. Trump has almost certainly committed both.

Truly ? What, like.. jaywalking ? Litering ?

Could you give me an example ?

 

[Roofgardener]

....I am certain that many charges will be brought against him, in various courts, and that many, if not most, will stick.

Well, we shall see. Various political State AG's have been making noises to the media about investigating/charging Trump for the last 4 years, but nothing (yet) has come of it. It was difficult to avoid the impression - at the time - that this was all just political posturing, and trying to smear Trumps name.

Curiously, they have all gone quiet now he's no longer the President.

Have ANY charges been formally filed against him since he ceased being President ?

 

[MT15]

Certain tax violations will result in a penalty of paying the shortfall and a fine. Others will rise to a criminal level and could result in jail. Same with campaign finance violations, I would imagine.

Trump was a co-conspirator with his lawyer, in 2016 they committed a campaign finance violation for which his lawyer went to jail. He is deserving of jail as well, since he was the one who directed the lawyer to commit the violation. I’m not sure why the DOJ would decline to prosecute now that he has left office.

 

[Yggdrasill]

Well, we shall see. Various political State AG's have been making noises to the media about investigating/charging Trump for the last 4 years, but nothing (yet) has come of it. It was difficult to avoid the impression - at the time - that this was all just political posturing, and trying to smear Trumps name.

Curiously, they have all gone quiet now he's no longer the President.

Have ANY charges been formally filed against him since he ceased being President ?

None to my knowledge. I suspect that they are waiting until the impeachment trial is complete to file, as well as to see what charges might be filed by the Justice Department. The Attorney General can indict Trump for actions while in office, blut whether he will depends on how much political capital the Biden Administration wants to spend. Biden has expressed discomfiture with indicting a former President. Possible federal charges include: the aforementioned campaign finance violations, chargincome tax evasion and possible conspiracy and sedition charges stemming from the Capitol Riot: the federal criminal code (18 USC 373) makes it a crime to solicit, command, induce or “endeavor to persuade” another person to commit a felony that includes the threat or use of physical force. The call with Raffensberger may also be subject to prosecution.

The State of New York is conducting criminal investigations into Trump and his businesses and civil suits await. As Trump's tax returns are not yet fully released, this could take some time.

As to the various threats of charges seeming like posturing and smear, I can't speak to others' intent. I can say only that NOTHING he has done is remotely out of character with his behavior over the last 40 years. For me, he lost not one ounce of credibility during his term; it has been classic Donny since day one.

 

[Roofgardener]

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As to the various threats of charges seeming like posturing and smear, I can't speak to others' intent. I can say only that NOTHING he has done is remotely out of character with his behavior over the last 40 years. For me, he lost not one ounce of credibility during his term; it has been classic Donny since day one.

Well, time will tell. You state that "nothing he has done...". How often has he been convicted in a court in those 40 years ?

 

[JRad]

Well, time will tell. You state that "nothing he has done...". How often has he been convicted in a court in those 40 years ?

Plenty, but he tends to settle.

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