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Optimus Prime

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Everything I've seen and heard says that the split second Donald Trump is no longer president there will be flood of charges waiting for him

And if he resigns and Pence pardons him there are a ton of state charges as an understudy waiting in the wings if the fed charges can't perform

What do you think the likelihood of there being a jail sentence?

In every movie and TV show I've ever seen, in every political thriller I've ever read about a criminal president there is ALWAYS some version of;

"We can't do that to the country",

"A trial would tear the country apart",

"For the nation to heal we need to move on" etc.

Would life imitate art?

Even with the charges, even with the proof the charges are true will the powers that be decide, "we can't do that to the country"?
 
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What's baffling about the state's top elections official or the county's top lawyer investigating a potential crime?
He's the President, so he gets a pass? I don't know. The convoluted thinking that goes into defending the indefensible is more baffling to me.
 

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It won't. Criminally prosecuting an ex-President would be such an unbelievable thing that I think it will have to something really egregious. The call was clearly corrupt. Many things he does are. However, is any of it enough to take the unprecedented act of criminally prosecuting an ex-President?

No way. Unless you have dead bodies somewhere you'll never see an ex-President criminally prosecuted.
In normal times I would agree with your opinion. How many presidents of political party have publicly called for the resignation of a governor in their own party. .

Trump has already proudly, and loudly proclaimed he is going to have Kemp primaried.

How does Kemp keep his job? One scenario is the ex-president is disgraced, and in jail. This removes his political power. Even if this move still ends up with Kemp getting primaried. He gets revenge on Trump.

Kemp is not a good guy, and he would run over his grandmother to keep or obtain power. I think that's exactly why this might happen.
 

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Maybe, roof. What did you think of Trump’s phone call to Raffensperger though? Was it on the up and up in your view? Or maybe you didn’t listen to it.
I didn't really think too much of it, to be honest. TRump has ever right to make such phone calls. From the transcript I saw, it seemed to consist of Trump making various allegations about voting irregularities, and RAffensperger saying "Umm.. not Mr President; that didn't happen; your facts are wrong". (or words to that effect). Obviously Trump was trying to persuade Raffensperger to review the vote count, but Raffensperger was having none of it ! (and seemed to have the facts on his side).

It smacked of desperation on Trumps part, but I can't see how it was WRONG to make the phone call ?
 

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I see that call differently. If you listen, Trump wasn’t advocating for an accurate count. He wasn’t saying he wanted all votes counted. It was essentially a shakedown to steal the GA election.

He expressly says he wants Raffensperger to “find” a very specific number of votes. And he says that if Raffensperger doesn’t play along, he might find himself in legal jeopardy with the DOJ. And remember at this same time he asked for the resignation of the US Attorney in GA for not playing along with his false allegations and had him replaced with another US Attorney who was thought to be more pliant.

This new US Attorney went into the office vacated ready to uncover massive voter fraud. He said to the media that he was surprised to find nothing. This tells me he had believed Trump’s claims which is why Trump had him installed there.

It’s certainly wrong to make such a call. It very well may be considered solicitation of a crime.
 

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I see that call differently. If you listen, Trump wasn’t advocating for an accurate count. He wasn’t saying he wanted all votes counted. It was essentially a shakedown to steal the GA election.

He expressly says he wants Raffensperger to “find” a very specific number of votes. And he says that if Raffensperger doesn’t play along, he might find himself in legal jeopardy with the DOJ. And remember at this same time he asked for the resignation of the US Attorney in GA for not playing along with his false allegations and had him replaced with another US Attorney who was thought to be more pliant.

This new US Attorney went into the office vacated ready to uncover massive voter fraud. He said to the media that he was surprised to find nothing. This tells me he had believed Trump’s claims which is why Trump had him installed there.

It’s certainly wrong to make such a call. It very well may be considered solicitation of a crime.
Hmm... no ?
Here's a transcript of the conversation. I can't see any threats, and I can't see any crime ?
 

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Of course you can’t. You have evidenced a certain bias. We shall see what the prosecutors decide. They may decide not to prosecute, but they evidently feel there is enough there to take a close look.

also, context is key. Your focus on one call is the same as the Trump defense team’s focus on the Jan. 6 speech. It’s an entire pattern, not one call, one speech. When you look at everything Trump said and did, it’s clear he was trying to steal an election he didn’t win. He was trying to force his reality on everyone else.
 

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Didn’t want to start a new thread, so putting this here. Evidently all the WhatsApp communications were preserved and the Biden Administration has them.

 

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Of course you can’t. You have evidenced a certain bias. We shall see what the prosecutors decide. They may decide not to prosecute, but they evidently feel there is enough there to take a close look.

also, context is key. Your focus on one call is the same as the Trump defense team’s focus on the Jan. 6 speech. It’s an entire pattern, not one call, one speech. When you look at everything Trump said and did, it’s clear he was trying to steal an election he didn’t win. He was trying to force his reality on everyone else.
I'd agree with that. He was delusional, and being fed bad information (which he gleefully - and selectively - acted on). However, he didn't incite violence, either then or at any other time in his Presidency.
 

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The article OPINIONS otherwise. But if you read it, Trump didn't actually glorify violence. (though the media - and this article as well - tried to make it SOUND like he had. ).
You're still doing it. You're framing the position outlined by an article, backed by reason and evidence, as 'OPINIONS', but your own 'OPINION', backed by nothing, as 'actually'. No. The article's position is worth something, backed as it is by reason and evidence. Your opinion, not so much.
 

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You're still doing it. You're framing the position outlined by an article, backed by reason and evidence, as 'OPINIONS', but your own 'OPINION', backed by nothing, as 'actually'. No. The article's position is worth something, backed as it is by reason and evidence. Your opinion, not so much.
Hmm.. not really RobF. The article takes various tweets out of context of the twitter sequence, and 'analysis' them in isolation. Trump may indeed have used 'unpolitical' language, but I don't see any call for violence in them, other than the 'violence' inherent in police actions ?
 

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I'd agree with that. He was delusional, and being fed bad information (which he gleefully - and selectively - acted on). However, he didn't incite violence, either then or at any other time in his Presidency.
Mitch McConnell would disagree with this.

Mitch McConnell said:
"Former President Trump's actions that preceded the riot were a disgraceful, disgraceful dereliction of duty," added McConnell. "Trump is practically and morally responsible for provoking the events of the day."
 

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At least two Republican senators, McConnell and Portman, who voted to acquit Trump made the case that he should be criminally prosecuted. The US Attorney for DC is said to be looking at a criminal investigation for that. I would think Rudy and several others who spoke on Jan 6 may also have some exposure. We shall see.
 

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At least two Republican senators, McConnell and Portman, who voted to acquit Trump made the case that he should be criminally prosecuted. The US Attorney for DC is said to be looking at a criminal investigation for that. I would think Rudy and several others who spoke on Jan 6 may also have some exposure. We shall see.
Umm.. I don't know anything about Portman, but I don't believe that McConnel stated that Trump should be criminally prosecuted ?

I could be wrong... do you have a link to where McConnell said that Trump should be criminally prosecuted ?
 

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