Does Trump ever do any jail time? (11 Viewers)

[Optimus Prime]

Everything I've seen and heard says that the split second Donald Trump is no longer president there will be flood of charges waiting for him

And if he resigns and Pence pardons him there are a ton of state charges as an understudy waiting in the wings if the fed charges can't perform

What do you think the likelihood of there being a jail sentence?

In every movie and TV show I've ever seen, in every political thriller I've ever read about a criminal and corrupt president there is ALWAYS some version of;

"We can't do that to the country",

"A trial would tear the country apart",

"For the nation to heal we need to move on" etc.

Would life imitate art?

Even with the charges, even with the proof the charges are true will the powers that be decide, "we can't do that to the country"?

 

[Bigdaddysaints]

i wonder if the over/under on jail time has changed since this thread was started?

 

[Optimus Prime]

Donald Trump in a 2016 debate infamously warned Hillary Clinton that, if he were president, “you’d be in jail.” A

little more than seven years later, he appears bent on challenging judges who actually have the power to land him there himself.


But could it really get to that point?

There is little question judges will seek to exhaust other options, but there is also increasingly little question Trump will continue to test their resolve with his attacks on judges, prosecutors, witnesses and others.


And his current and former allies appear to be girding for the likelihood of this tug-of-war with the judges escalating. One is even predicting Trump will go to jail. The former president has in recent weeks responded to a pair of limited gag orders with his typical defiance and provocation.

A judge in his New York civil case has fined Trump twice, for a total of $15,000, over his attacks on a law clerk. The Trump team initially left a post on his campaign website that violated the gag order.
Then Trump made veiled comments the judge ruled had referred to the clerk.


In his federal election interference case, Trump responded to a judge pausing another limited gag order by issuing comments that would transparently have violated it had the pause not been in effect. When the judge reinstituted the gag order this week, Trump seemed to quickly violate it by attacking a potential witness, his former attorney general William P. Barr.


The Trump campaign told The Washington Post that Trump had not been aware the gag order had been reimposed when he called Barr “dumb,” “weak” and “gutless” on Truth Social on Sunday night. But the post remained live as of Wednesday morning, two and half days later…….

Current and former Trump allies seem to acknowledge where this could be headed. While appearing on Newsmax on Tuesday, Trump lawyer Alina Habba was asked about his potentially being jailed for violating gag orders.

She insisted it is not something his legal team had given much thought to, while offering the kind of answer that suggests they had indeed. (She suggested the Secret Service might prevent his jailing.)

Fox News host Jesse Watters on Tuesday devoted a whole segment on the prospect of Trump being jailed, while saying, “Do you think Donald Trump is going to respect a gag order? He does not see a gag order as a threat. He sees it as a challenge.”


Former Trump White House lawyer Ty Cobb on Monday outright predicted Trump would land in jail. Cobb said on CNN, “Ultimately, I think he’ll spend a night or a weekend in jail.” He added, “I think it’ll take that to stop him.”

Cobb certainly has experience in dealing with Trump. Other lawyers who have served Trump have also hinted broadly their client could be unwieldy at best……..

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2023/11/01/trump-gag-order-jail-analysis/

 

[Optimus Prime]

Former President Donald Trump is "mathematically likely" to end up in prison due to his various criminal indictments, according to one prominent New York University professor on Saturday.

Trump is currently facing four criminal indictments at the federal and state levels, resulting in 91 criminal charges that are the first ever leveled against a former president. Two of the cases, one brought by the Department of Justice (DOJ) and one brought by the Fulton County, Georgia, district attorney's office, revolve around Trump's alleged efforts to contest and overturn the results of the 2020 presidential nomination after he claimed without evidence that the election was stolen from him due to widespread voter fraud.

The former president, for a second time, has been charged by the DOJ, which accused him of illegally retaining classified documents at his Mar-a-Lago estate in Palm Beach, Florida, after leaving the White House in 2021 and hiding them from government investigators. In addition, Manhattan District Attorney Alvin Bragg charged Trump for falsifying business records in relation to the years-long probe into whether the former president made an alleged hush money payment to adult film star Stormy Daniels ahead of the 2016 election. Daniels said she had an affair with Trump a decade prior, which he denied.

Trump has pleaded not guilty to all of the charges against him and has accused the investigations that produced them of being efforts to hurt his political prospects in the 2024 election, where he is the leading candidate for the GOP presidential nomination. Should he be convicted for even just one of the charges, polls have indicated that voters will abandon him in significant numbers.

This scenario is likely to play out during this year's election, according to Scott Galloway, a professor of marketing at NYU Stern School of Business, who made the judgment during a Saturday interview appearance on CNN, basing his argument on the conviction rates in the jurisdictions where Trump is charged.

"If you look at the jurisdictions he's been charged in, they have between a 70 percent and 92 percent conviction rate, and only a third of people who receive the indictments or the charges that he's received don't end up with prison time," Galloway explained. "Even if you discount the statistics or cut them in half because it is a different situation, it just seems mathematically improbable that he won't be sentenced to prison at some point."

He continued: "It's become a game show, and that is his objective...to slow down the trials until after [the election]. If you look at, statistically, the likelihood that one of these [91] charges will stick, it just feels mathematically likely something is going to stick here.".............

MSN

Math favors Donald Trump prison sentence, professor predicts

NYU professor Scott Galloway said that it is "mathematically improbable that [Trump] won't be sentenced to prison at some point."

www.newsweek.com

 

[Taurus]

Former President Donald Trump is "mathematically likely" to end up in prison due to his various criminal indictments, according to one prominent New York University professor on Saturday.

Trump is currently facing four criminal indictments at the federal and state levels, resulting in 91 criminal charges that are the first ever leveled against a former president. Two of the cases, one brought by the Department of Justice (DOJ) and one brought by the Fulton County, Georgia, district attorney's office, revolve around Trump's alleged efforts to contest and overturn the results of the 2020 presidential nomination after he claimed without evidence that the election was stolen from him due to widespread voter fraud.

The former president, for a second time, has been charged by the DOJ, which accused him of illegally retaining classified documents at his Mar-a-Lago estate in Palm Beach, Florida, after leaving the White House in 2021 and hiding them from government investigators. In addition, Manhattan District Attorney Alvin Bragg charged Trump for falsifying business records in relation to the years-long probe into whether the former president made an alleged hush money payment to adult film star Stormy Daniels ahead of the 2016 election. Daniels said she had an affair with Trump a decade prior, which he denied.

Trump has pleaded not guilty to all of the charges against him and has accused the investigations that produced them of being efforts to hurt his political prospects in the 2024 election, where he is the leading candidate for the GOP presidential nomination. Should he be convicted for even just one of the charges, polls have indicated that voters will abandon him in significant numbers.

This scenario is likely to play out during this year's election, according to Scott Galloway, a professor of marketing at NYU Stern School of Business, who made the judgment during a Saturday interview appearance on CNN, basing his argument on the conviction rates in the jurisdictions where Trump is charged.

"If you look at the jurisdictions he's been charged in, they have between a 70 percent and 92 percent conviction rate, and only a third of people who receive the indictments or the charges that he's received don't end up with prison time," Galloway explained. "Even if you discount the statistics or cut them in half because it is a different situation, it just seems mathematically improbable that he won't be sentenced to prison at some point."

He continued: "It's become a game show, and that is his objective...to slow down the trials until after [the election]. If you look at, statistically, the likelihood that one of these [91] charges will stick, it just feels mathematically likely something is going to stick here.".............

MSN

Math favors Donald Trump prison sentence, professor predicts

NYU professor Scott Galloway said that it is "mathematically improbable that [Trump] won't be sentenced to prison at some point."

www.newsweek.com

That traitorous choad can't die in jail soon enough for me.

 

[Huntn]

Former President Donald Trump is "mathematically likely" to end up in prison due to his various criminal indictments, according to one prominent New York University professor on Saturday.

Trump is currently facing four criminal indictments at the federal and state levels, resulting in 91 criminal charges that are the first ever leveled against a former president. Two of the cases, one brought by the Department of Justice (DOJ) and one brought by the Fulton County, Georgia, district attorney's office, revolve around Trump's alleged efforts to contest and overturn the results of the 2020 presidential nomination after he claimed without evidence that the election was stolen from him due to widespread voter fraud.

The former president, for a second time, has been charged by the DOJ, which accused him of illegally retaining classified documents at his Mar-a-Lago estate in Palm Beach, Florida, after leaving the White House in 2021 and hiding them from government investigators. In addition, Manhattan District Attorney Alvin Bragg charged Trump for falsifying business records in relation to the years-long probe into whether the former president made an alleged hush money payment to adult film star Stormy Daniels ahead of the 2016 election. Daniels said she had an affair with Trump a decade prior, which he denied.

Trump has pleaded not guilty to all of the charges against him and has accused the investigations that produced them of being efforts to hurt his political prospects in the 2024 election, where he is the leading candidate for the GOP presidential nomination. Should he be convicted for even just one of the charges, polls have indicated that voters will abandon him in significant numbers.

This scenario is likely to play out during this year's election, according to Scott Galloway, a professor of marketing at NYU Stern School of Business, who made the judgment during a Saturday interview appearance on CNN, basing his argument on the conviction rates in the jurisdictions where Trump is charged.

"If you look at the jurisdictions he's been charged in, they have between a 70 percent and 92 percent conviction rate, and only a third of people who receive the indictments or the charges that he's received don't end up with prison time," Galloway explained. "Even if you discount the statistics or cut them in half because it is a different situation, it just seems mathematically improbable that he won't be sentenced to prison at some point."

He continued: "It's become a game show, and that is his objective...to slow down the trials until after [the election]. If you look at, statistically, the likelihood that one of these [91] charges will stick, it just feels mathematically likely something is going to stick here.".............

MSN

Math favors Donald Trump prison sentence, professor predicts

NYU professor Scott Galloway said that it is "mathematically improbable that [Trump] won't be sentenced to prison at some point."

www.newsweek.com

My guess it’s been mentioned here somewhere, but Trump’s stance is that as President he is immune, then his team was asked so as President he could order the assassination of a political rival and be immune?? The response was “only with immunity can a President Supreme Leader be effective”. The man is a Megliomaniac wannabe. And his followers are self serving, anti-American, anti-democracy, white privilege, insurrectionists trying to take the country down with their ballots, or whatever it takes…

 

[Optimus Prime]

It appears increasingly possible that Donald Trump could face actual jail time before we ever get a verdict in any of his four criminal trials.

Jail would be a fraught outcome that few seem to truly desire — and might never happen for a host of reasons — but it’s time to ask whether the American people are prepared for a former president behind bars.

The answer is not clear, but we do have hints.

Trump was fined Monday for a 10th time for violating the gag order in his Manhattan criminal trial — this time for comments about his jury. And the judge signaled even more strongly than he did last week that jail might be necessary as the trial continues, given that the maximum $1,000 fines he can levy have failed to deter this defendant.

“There are many reasons why incarceration is truly a last resort for you,” New York Supreme Court Justice Juan Merchan told Trump, adding: “But at the end of the day, I have a job to do.”

For his part, Trump signaled that he’s not about to make things easy for the judge.

Mere minutes before the gag-order proceedings Monday morning, Trump again spoke about witnesses in the trial — this despite the gag order barring him from making “public statements about known or reasonably foreseeable witnesses.” Trump said, “Even the witnesses they want to bring up, they have nothing to do with the case.”

Trump’s statement was general enough to perhaps occupy a gray area. But the fact that he would utter this with another gag-order violation hanging over his head just minutes later could certainly be read as a statement of intent to keep flouting the order and test Merchan’s resolve.

Polls have yet to ask how Americans would view Trump’s being jailed for violating the gag order, and much would depend on the specifics.

But a strong majority of Americans have been open to the prospect of his being incarcerated if warranted. And at the very least, Americans tend to view Trump’s conduct as problematic — both generally and in this trial...........

MSN

 

[faceman]

It appears increasingly possible that Donald Trump could face actual jail time before we ever get a verdict in any of his four criminal trials.

Jail would be a fraught outcome that few seem to truly desire — and might never happen for a host of reasons — but it’s time to ask whether the American people are prepared for a former president behind bars.

The answer is not clear, but we do have hints.

Trump was fined Monday for a 10th time for violating the gag order in his Manhattan criminal trial — this time for comments about his jury. And the judge signaled even more strongly than he did last week that jail might be necessary as the trial continues, given that the maximum $1,000 fines he can levy have failed to deter this defendant.

“There are many reasons why incarceration is truly a last resort for you,” New York Supreme Court Justice Juan Merchan told Trump, adding: “But at the end of the day, I have a job to do.”

For his part, Trump signaled that he’s not about to make things easy for the judge.

Mere minutes before the gag-order proceedings Monday morning, Trump again spoke about witnesses in the trial — this despite the gag order barring him from making “public statements about known or reasonably foreseeable witnesses.” Trump said, “Even the witnesses they want to bring up, they have nothing to do with the case.”

Trump’s statement was general enough to perhaps occupy a gray area. But the fact that he would utter this with another gag-order violation hanging over his head just minutes later could certainly be read as a statement of intent to keep flouting the order and test Merchan’s resolve.

Polls have yet to ask how Americans would view Trump’s being jailed for violating the gag order, and much would depend on the specifics.

But a strong majority of Americans have been open to the prospect of his being incarcerated if warranted. And at the very least, Americans tend to view Trump’s conduct as problematic — both generally and in this trial...........

MSN

I believe he'll eventually do house arrest. He has 24/7 SS protection. They are armed while on duty,and they can't go onto
a jailhouse floor for obvious reasons.

 

[Optimus Prime]

Joe Biden should have pardoned Donald Trump on all federal criminal charges the moment they were announced, the Utah senator and former Republican presidential nominee Mitt Romney said.

“Had I been President Biden,” Romney said, “when the justice department brought out indictments, I would have immediately pardoned him. I’d have pardoned President Trump.”

“Why? Well, because it makes me, President Biden, the big guy and the person I pardoned the little guy. And, number two, it’s not going to get resolved before the election. It’s not going to have an impact before the election. And, frankly, the country doesn’t want to have to go through prosecuting a former president.”………

Biden should have pardoned Trump on federal charges, Mitt Romney says

Republican senator tells MSNBC that ‘frankly, the country doesn’t want to have to go through prosecuting a former president’

www.theguardian.com

 

[DaveXA]

Joe Biden should have pardoned Donald Trump on all federal criminal charges the moment they were announced, the Utah senator and former Republican presidential nominee Mitt Romney said.

“Had I been President Biden,” Romney said, “when the justice department brought out indictments, I would have immediately pardoned him. I’d have pardoned President Trump.”

“Why? Well, because it makes me, President Biden, the big guy and the person I pardoned the little guy. And, number two, it’s not going to get resolved before the election. It’s not going to have an impact before the election. And, frankly, the country doesn’t want to have to go through prosecuting a former president.”………

Biden should have pardoned Trump on federal charges, Mitt Romney says

Republican senator tells MSNBC that ‘frankly, the country doesn’t want to have to go through prosecuting a former president’

www.theguardian.com

I get the reasoning behind it...but then it's ultimately just a public statement that laws don't matter when you're President, so idk.

 

[MT15]

I also think he’s mistaken that the country doesn’t want to see Trump held accountable. I believe a majority do want to see that. Maybe 60-65%. IMO.

 

[bird]

Romney is naive.

Either the American people grow up or we will continue to have idiots like Trump running for office because it would mean that they can do whatever the flock they want with no consequences.

 

[SamAndreas]

Romney is naive.

Either the American people grow up or we will continue to have idiots like Trump running for office because it would mean that they can do whatever the flock they want with no consequences.

The reason Romney doesn't like Trump is because they are too much alike and Trump stole his fabulous con right out from under Romney's feet.

Romney had figured out how to position himself to steal millions from Republican campaign donations. I would think his haul from his 2012 campaign was close to a hundred million dollars.

Trump saw that happen, so he and his gang swooped in, stole his con and his flame. Has shown us he's by far the better con artist thief.

Romney is Bush league.

 

[bird]

The reason Romney doesn't like Trump is because they are too much alike and Trump stole his fabulous con right out from under Romney's feet.

Romney had figured out how to position himself to steal millions from Republican campaign donations. I would think his haul from his 2012 campaign was close to a hundred million dollars.

Trump saw that happen, so he and his gang swooped in, stole his con and his flame. Has shown us he's by far the better con artist thief.

Romney is Bush league.

“Bush league”…I saw what you did there

 

[Bigdaddysaints]

well, there would be zero chance that Trump pardons Biden, no matter if Biden pardoned Trump.. Thats just how he is..

 

[boy_of_wonder75]

I was sympathetic to Romney's line of thinking early on, but Trump makes it impossible to be the bigger man. He will not stop, he will not demure, he will not ever act out of anything other than self-interest.

 

[Bigdaddysaints]

well, to be honest, this is closer to happening than i ever thought..
i still doubt he'll do traditional jail time. but i do think he'll get some form..

 

[faceman]

well, to be honest, this is closer to happening than i ever thought..
i still doubt he'll do traditional jail time. but i do think he'll get some form..

Yeah, I can see house arrest with no access to social media in the future. Once again 24/7 protection by the SS will
prevent any real jail time.

 

[SamAndreas]

well, to be honest, this is closer to happening than i ever thought..
i still doubt he'll do traditional jail time. but i do think he'll get some form..

I've been watching him for months and it appears to me that he's already in a prison he paid for and constructed with his own bare hands.

He can't leave a room to take a piss without first running it by his campaign committee.

Speaking of a committee it's been way too long since I last played the The Committee Song: