Does Trump ever do any jail time? (2 Viewers)

[Optimus Prime]

Everything I've seen and heard says that the split second Donald Trump is no longer president there will be flood of charges waiting for him

And if he resigns and Pence pardons him there are a ton of state charges as an understudy waiting in the wings if the fed charges can't perform

What do you think the likelihood of there being a jail sentence?

In every movie and TV show I've ever seen, in every political thriller I've ever read about a criminal and corrupt president there is ALWAYS some version of;

"We can't do that to the country",

"A trial would tear the country apart",

"For the nation to heal we need to move on" etc.

Would life imitate art?

Even with the charges, even with the proof the charges are true will the powers that be decide, "we can't do that to the country"?

 

[Snarky Sack]

Ok, so we're back to option 1 - you believe Democrats have committed crimes, so Republicans will prosecute them. That's totally fine, if it turns out to be true.

That's what should happen in a strong democracy. People who commit crimes are prosecuted for them.

I still reject option 1, and select option 3. I believe that there is evidence to be found that Democrats have committed crimes. It's up to the courts, including juries of their peers, to determine whether they are actually guilty.

Since nothing is more important than making sure every single alleged crime is investigated and prosecuted with no delay because Rule of Law, those Democrats won't mind a few inconveniences, I'm sure.

If they do, all they have to do is carefully avoid committing crimes and take care to make sure that there is no way even the most partisan of justice system could find a way justify charging them.

 

[brandon]

I still reject option 1, and select option 3. I believe that there is evidence to be found that Democrats have committed crimes. It's up to the courts, including juries of their peers, to determine whether they are actually guilty.

Since nothing is more important than making sure every single alleged crime is investigated and prosecuted with no delay because Rule of Law, those Democrats won't mind a few inconveniences, I'm sure.

If they do, all they have to do is carefully avoid committing crimes and take care to make sure that there is no way even the most partisan of justice system could find a way justify charging them.

That's so many words to say "I just don't like it that they're prosecuting Trump."

 

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[Snarky Sack]

That's so many words to say "I just don't like it that they're prosecuting Trump."

You came a long way just to exit on that tired punchline, sir.

 

[MT15]

You came a long way just to exit on that tired punchline, sir.

Lol, it’s not tired. What must be tiring is constantly defending the indefensible. I wonder why you do it, sometimes.

 

[Saintamaniac]

Lol, it’s not tired. What must be tiring is constantly defending the indefensible. I wonder why you do it, sometimes.

The minute he admits what everyone already knows, his whole belief system goes up in flames. There is no way in hell he'll ever admit that he was wrong on anything concerning trump and republicans because he will have acknowledged that he fell for their lies hook, line and sinker. He'll be one of the fortunate ones who didn't manage to give their life in support of Trump only to have his family left to mourn his unwavering gullibility.

 

[SFIDC3]

The minute he admits what everyone already knows, his whole belief system goes up in flames. There is no way in hell he'll ever admit that he was wrong on anything concerning trump and republicans because he will have acknowledged that he fell for their lies hook, line and sinker. He'll be one of the fortunate ones who didn't manage to give their life in support of Trump only to have his family left to mourn his unwavering gullibility.

great explanation on the "cult" mentality......also he is majorly trolling.....cheers mate

 

[Optimus Prime]

The Justice Department’s investigation of efforts by Donald Trump and his advisers to overturn the 2020 election results is barreling forward on multiple tracks, according to people familiar with the matter, with prosecutors focused on ads and fundraising pitches claiming election fraud as well as plans for “fake electors” that would swing the election to the incumbent president.


Each track poses potential legal peril for those under scrutiny, but also raises tricky questions about where the line should be drawn between political activity, legal advocacy and criminal conspiracy.


A key area of interest is the conduct of a handful of lawyers who sought to turn Trump’s defeat into victory by trying to convince state, local, federal and judicial authorities that Joe Biden’s 2020 election win was illegitimate or tainted by fraud.

Investigators have sought to determine to what degree these lawyers — particularly Rudy Giuliani, Jenna Ellis, John Eastman, Kurt Olsen and Kenneth Chesebro, as well as then-Justice Department lawyer Jeffrey Clark — were following specific instructions from Trump or others, and what those instructions were, according to the people familiar with the matter, who like others interviewed for this article spoke on the condition of anonymity to describe an ongoing investigation.


Special counsel Jack Smith’s team has extensively questioned multiple witnesses about the lawyers’ actions related to fake electors — pro-Trump substitutes offered up as potential replacements for electors in swing states that Biden won.

The Washington Post has reported that Giuliani, a personal attorney for Trump who took over his campaign’s legal efforts after the 2020 election, coordinated the fake-elector effort.

Ellis helped him urge state legislatures to reject certified Biden results, while Eastman argued to Trump that Vice President Mike Pence could accept alternate slates when certifying the electoral votes on Jan. 6, 2021.

Chesebro wrote several memos on the fake-elector strategy. Olsen urged lawsuits to overturn the election results in several states, and Clark pressed Trump’s fraud claims from within the Justice Department…….

https://www.washingtonpost.com/nation/2023/06/26/justice-dept-asks-about-election-fraud-claims-well-fake-electors/

 

[Optimus Prime]

In a phone call in late 2020, President Donald Trump tried to pressure Arizona Gov. Doug Ducey (R) to overturn the state’s presidential election results, saying that if enough fraudulent votes could be found it would overcome Trump’s narrow loss in Arizona, according to three people familiar with the call.


Trump also repeatedly asked Vice President Mike Pence to call Ducey and prod him to find the evidence to substantiate Trump’s claims of fraud, according to two of these people. Pence called Ducey several times to discuss the election, they said, though he did not follow Trump’s directions to pressure the governor.


The extent of Trump’s efforts to cajole Ducey into helping him stay in power have not before been reported, even as other efforts by Trump’s lawyer and allies to pressure Arizona officials have been made public.

Ducey told reporters in December 2020 that he and Trump had spoken, but he declined to disclose the contents of the call then or in the more than two years since. Although he disagreed with Trump about the outcome of the election, Ducey has sought to avoid a public battle with Trump.

Ducey described the “pressure” he was under after Trump’s loss to a prominent Republican donor over a meal in Arizona earlier this year, according to the donor, who like others interviewed for this story spoke on the condition of anonymity to discuss private conversations. The account was confirmed by others aware of the call.

Ducey told the donor he was surprised that special counsel Jack Smith’s team had not inquired about his phone calls with Trump and Pence as part of the Justice Department’s investigation into the former president’s attempt to overturn the 2020 election, the donor said…….

https://www.washingtonpost.com/nation/2023/07/01/trump-2020-election-arizona-governor-doug-ducey/

 

[Optimus Prime]

…….The Justice Department is likely to attempt to have Mr Trump incarcerated if he’s convicted.

National security lawyer and George Washington University law professor Kel McClanahan said that the department will probably “want to go for incarceration” in the case of Mr Trump, according to Insider.

Mr McClanahan said that the evidence in the indictment is intended to show that Mr Trump “is a kingpin who knowingly broke the law, endangered national security, endangered nuclear weapon security, [and] endangered other countries’ national security”.

The consensus among most legal experts commenting on the indictment appears to be that Mr Trump is in serious legal jeopardy.

A former assistant US attorney in the Southern District of New York, Sarah Krissoff, said that “to the extent that there’s a conviction here, the Department of Justice is going to want to be seeking a real sentence” because of the “nature of the conduct, how long it lasted, his involvement, the involvement of other people, working allegedly at Trump’s direction”.

She noted that if Mr Trump is convicted, the sentence would depend on the judge, which seems likely to be Trump-appointee Aileen Cannon in the District Court for the Southern District of Florida.

Mr McClanahan noted the novelty of possibly having to find a proper way to put a former president behind bars.

He questioned how the authorities would go about imprisoning someone “who has a Secret Service detail and who has national security secrets bouncing around his brain, such that if someone holds a shiv to his neck, he’ll reveal the location of our missile bases”.

He added that Mr Trump might become a “foreign intelligence gold mine for most countries on earth” if he’s imprisoned. Mr McClanahan sees it as more likely that if Mr Trump is convicted, he would be sentenced to house arrest with an ankle monitor.…..

Is Donald Trump going to prison?

The former president is at the centre of several federal investigations and criminal cases

www.independent.co.uk

 

[superchuck500]

 

[CoolBrees]

So we need to go quickly to the Big Board because it isn't going to stay here for long!

Without further ado, Let's go to the Big Board:

30,000X - lies as President
2000X - sued
6X - bankrupt (combined personal and business)
3X - married
**Mover ---> 2X - federally indicted
1X - self-dealing from his charity
1X - paying off a pornstar
1X - failed coup
1X - state indicted (soon to move up the BB?)
1X - Fraud (Trump University)
1X - liable for sexual assault. (Over 20 allegations so this is a sleeper!)

We'll be back next week to with another exciting update!

 

[MT15]

1X self-dealing from his own charity

 

[CoolBrees]

1X self-dealing from his own charity

Updated, thank you!

 

[bdb13]

So we need to go quickly to the Big Board because it isn't going to stay here for long!

Without further ado, Let's go to the Big Board:

30,000X - lies as President
2000X - sued
6X - bankrupt (combined personal and business)
3X - married
**Mover ---> 2X - federally indicted
1X - paying off a pornstar
1X - failed coup
1X - state indicted (soon to move up the BB?)
1X - Fraud (Trump University)
1X - liable for sexual assault. (Over 20 allegations so this is a sleeper!)

We'll be back next week to with another exciting update!

It took Trump coming along for me to fully understand that any talk of morality from most of these people was just feigned or a lie to one's self.. at best.

 

[Optimus Prime]

NEW YORK (AP) — The 2024 election will determine whether Donald Trump returns to the White House. It could also decide if he’ll face time behind bars.

For Trump, who’s now facing his third criminal indictment — this time for his efforts to overturn the 2020 election and block the transfer of presidential power — winning is about more than ego, redemption, score-settling or the future of the country.

“This election may very well be about Donald Trump’s personal freedom,” said Ari Fleischer, a longtime Republican strategist. “It’s not an exaggeration to say, if convicted, he could be sentenced to prison unless he wins and he uses the levers of justice to reverse it or stop it or drop it.”

The deeply personal stakes for Trump add to what is already an election unlike any other in modern history. It’s now not only a debate over the country’s challenges, but a partisan fight over whether the 77-year-old former president and GOP frontrunner should spend time in prison. Putting that issue out front, Trump ally Rep. Marjorie Taylor Greene, R-Ga., tweeted that she “will still vote for Trump even if he’s in jail.”…..

Should Trump go to jail? The 2024 election could become a referendum on that question

The 2024 election will determine whether Donald Trump returns to the White House. It could also decide whether he might face time behind bars.

apnews.com

 

[Optimus Prime]

If convicted in any of the three criminal cases he is now facing, Donald Trump may be able to influence whether he goes to prison and what his stay there looks like under a law that allows former U.S. presidents to keep Secret Service protection for life, some current and former U.S. officials said.


Presidents since 1965 have been afforded lifetime protection. Since then, only Richard M. Nixon has waived it, as a cost-saving move for taxpayers 11 years after his resignation.


But unless he follows Nixon’s example, Trump could force politically and logistically complex questions over whether officials should detail agents to protect a former American president behind bars, leave it to prison authorities to keep him safe, or secure him under some type of home confinement, former U.S. officials said.


Could Trump face prison? “Theoretically, yes and practically, no,” said Chuck Rosenberg, a former top federal prosecutor and counsel to then-FBI Director James B. Comey. Rosenberg served briefly as head of the Drug Enforcement Administration in the Trump administration and notably said the president had “condoned police misconduct” in remarking to officers in Long Island that they need not protect suspects’ heads when loading them into police vehicles.

“Any federal district judge ought to understand it raises enormous and unprecedented logistical issues,” Rosenberg said of the prospect Trump could be incarcerated. “Probation, fines, community service and home confinement are all alternatives.”……

The question is an open one at the U.S. Secret Service. Asked whether a former president who does not waive protection can be incarcerated, agency spokesman Anthony Guglielmi said, “The Secret Service does not have a comment or response, only because there is no such policy or procedure that currently exists.”

“We won’t have any further comment,” added Marsha Espinosa, spokeswoman for the Secret Service’s parent agency, the Department of Homeland Security.
How do you imprison a former president?

Former and current Secret Service agents said that while there is no precedent, they feel certain the agency would insist on providing some form of 24/7 protection to an imprisoned former president. And, they say, the agency is probably planning for that possibility, seeking to match to some degree its normal practice of rotating three daily shifts of at least one or two agents providing close proximity protection.

“This question keeps getting raised, yet no official answers” from the Secret Service, said Jonathan Wackrow, a former Secret Service agent and now chief operating officer for Teneo Risk, a corporate advisory and communications firm.

“However, we can infer how security measures could be implemented based on existing protective protocols. Unless there are changes in legislation or the former president waives protection, the U.S. Secret Service would likely maintain a protective environment around the president in accordance with their current practices.”


Current and former agents said Trump’s detail would coordinate their protection work with the Federal Bureau of Prisons to ensure there was no conflict about duties or about how they would handle emergencies, as well as the former president’s routine movements in a prison — such as heading to exercise or meals.

The Secret Service, they said, would maintain a bubble around Trump in any case, keeping him at a distance from other inmates.


“In some ways, protection may be easier — the absence of travel means logistics get easier and confinement means that the former president’s location is always known,” Wackrow said. “Theoretically, the perimeter is well fortified — no one is worried about someone breaking into jail.”…….

https://www.washingtonpost.com/dc-md-va/2023/08/04/trump-criminal-cases-prison-secret-service/

 

[DaveXA]

He needs to go to jail, yeah?