Does Trump ever do any jail time? (2 Viewers)

[Optimus Prime]

Everything I've seen and heard says that the split second Donald Trump is no longer president there will be flood of charges waiting for him

And if he resigns and Pence pardons him there are a ton of state charges as an understudy waiting in the wings if the fed charges can't perform

What do you think the likelihood of there being a jail sentence?

In every movie and TV show I've ever seen, in every political thriller I've ever read about a criminal and corrupt president there is ALWAYS some version of;

"We can't do that to the country",

"A trial would tear the country apart",

"For the nation to heal we need to move on" etc.

Would life imitate art?

Even with the charges, even with the proof the charges are true will the powers that be decide, "we can't do that to the country"?

 

[Incumbent]

Best case scenario is obviously that he is both convicted and doesn't win the election.

 

[Optimus Prime]

So in less than six months

Charged in Stormy Daniels case

Found guilty of sexual assault

Charged in classified document cases

(Probably more coming for Georgia and January 6th)

Still front runner for republican nomination (by a wide margin)

Remember the days when if a politician was found to have too many unpaid parking and/or speeding tickets they had to resign in shame?

 

[Incumbent]

This is somewhat true. However, they mentioned one of the charges, if convicted, would disqualify him from holding federal office. However, that particular statute has never been tested in the courts.

Ah, I'm reading through a lot right now - there are articles making the point that a felony conviction doesn't prevent it - but maybe something involving espionage is on a different standard, which should make complete sense.

 

[bdb13]

Best case scenario is obviously that he is both convicted and doesn't win the election.

True best case scenario would be incapacitation or death by natural causes I think. But yeah, given that this madre frocker is probably going to inexplicably live to be 95 years old or something, we'll probably have to hope for what you said.

 

[GrandAdmiral]

Ah, I'm reading through a lot right now - there are articles making the point that a felony conviction doesn't prevent it - but maybe something involving espionage is on a different standard, which should make complete sense.

Yeah, I think it's a provision of the Espionage Act.

 

[J-DONK]

So in less than six months

Charged in Stormy Daniels case

Found guilty of sexual assault

Charged in classified document cases

(Probably more coming for Georgia and January 6th)

Still front runner for republican nomination (by a wide margin)

Remember the days when if a politician was found to have too many unpaid parking and/or speeding tickets they had to resign in shame?

I remember when we used to disqualify SC justice nominees over hiring an illegal immigrant maid.

Does the SS go to the federal pen with him? If so I hope it's the ones that tried to pull Pence into the car on Jan. 6th.

 

[MT15]

I think if the Dems recover the House and retain the Presidency and the Senate, they should consider a law stripping a convicted former president of his SS detail. Why should we the taxpayers pay one dime for his protection? No reason at all is valid.

 

[Optimus Prime]

There’s already 24-7 protection in prison

It’s called solitary confinement

 

[Optimus Prime]

Donald Trump's attorney Jim Trusty confirmed Thursday night that the former president has been charged with seven counts – and revealed that the charges “break out from an Espionage Act charge.”

"It does have some language in it that suggests what the seven charges would be. Not 100% clear that all of those are separate charges, but they basically break out from an Espionage Act charge," he told CNN’s Kaitlan Collins.

Trusty called the espionage charge “ludicrous,” and added that there are also “several obstruction-based-type charges and then false statement charges.”……

June 8, 2023: Trump indictment news | CNN Politics

Former President Donald Trump has been indicted on seven counts in the special counsel’s classified documents probe, a stunning development that marks the first time a former president has faced federal charges. Follow here for the latest live news updates.

www.cnn.com

 

[DaveXA]

True best case scenario would be incapacitation or death by natural causes I think. But yeah, given that this madre frocker is probably going to inexplicably live to be 95 years old or something, we'll probably have to hope for what you said.

If he lives to 95, I'm gonna just start eating McDonald's on the regular.

 

[DaveXA]

Donald Trump's attorney Jim Trusty confirmed Thursday night that the former president has been charged with seven counts – and revealed that the charges “break out from an Espionage Act charge.”



Trusty called the espionage charge “ludicrous,” and added that there are also “several obstruction-based-type charges and then false statement charges.”……

June 8, 2023: Trump indictment news | CNN Politics

Former President Donald Trump has been indicted on seven counts in the special counsel’s classified documents probe, a stunning development that marks the first time a former president has faced federal charges. Follow here for the latest live news updates.

www.cnn.com

I think they'll get him on secondary charges, but I really don't think espionage charges will stick. We'll see I guess.

 

[MT15]

I think they'll get him on secondary charges, but I really don't think espionage charges will stick. We'll see I guess.

What could happen, and according to Maddow this is how they handled Agnew, is the most serious charge went away once he resigned (in Trump’s case withdraw from election) and he was prosecuted on the other charges. I’m not sure if that should happen or not, but it has happened before.

Also, just now seeing that witness tampering may be an additional charge.

 

[GrandAdmiral]

but I really don't think espionage charges will stick. We'll see I guess.

Why not? He held classified documents that, as normal citizen Donald Trump, he did not have the clearance or authority to have. I thought I heard them say tonight that they just sentenced a serviceman to three years in prison for having documents. Why should Trump be different (which was the same question they asked).

 

[DaveXA]

Why not? He held classified documents that, as normal citizen Donald Trump, he did not have the clearance or authority to have. I thought I heard them say tonight that they just sentenced a serviceman to three years in prison for having documents. Why should Trump be different (which was the same question they asked).

Right, I would just say his legal team will probably be miles better than your average serviceman. I think hitting a former President with an espionage charge when he's already announced he's running for President and likely won't be resolved before the election will be a tough get. I just have a feeling they'll find their way out of that charge. I'm sure who presides over the trial will matter a lot as well.

 

[CoolBrees]

Let’s go BACK to the a Big Board-

4 times bankrupt
2 times impeached
Now 2 times indicted (for now) - with over 40 total counts
1 time (found guilty; not charged) sexual predator

Your 2024 Republican Presidential Nominee everyone!

 

[Optimus Prime]

Donald Trump is the first former president to be charged with a crime after leaving office. But it doesn’t prevent him from continuing his campaign to return to the White House as president in 2024.


Even a guilty verdict in either of the cases pending against him would not disqualify Trump’s bid for office, according to Anna G. Cominsky, a professor at New York Law School, or keep him from serving if he were elected.


“There are actually not that many constitutional requirements to run for president,” Cominsky said. “There is not an explicit prohibition in the Constitution in respects to having a pending indictment or even being convicted.”…..

While being convicted of a felony does not prevent people from running for president, it can restrict their right to vote in elections. According to the National Conference of State Legislatures, people convicted of certain felonies in 11 states lose their voting rights indefinitely, requiring a governor’s pardon for voting rights to be restored.

Voters in Florida, where Trump resides, decided in 2018 to overturn a voting ban for most felons who have completed their sentences, though Florida Gov. Ron DeSantis (R), also seeking the Republican nomination for president, has since enacted some additional restrictions.


“People are subject to different roles as voter than as candidate,” Fredrickson said. “If Donald Trump were convicted of a felony, he would be barred from voting for himself in certain states.”


Trump is not the first person to be indicted and run for president.

In 1920, Eugene V. Debs ran for president as a Socialist after being found guilty of sedition and imprisoned in the federal penitentiary in Atlanta for speaking out against the draft during World War I.

Outside the jail, his supporters handed out photos of Debs in convict denim along with campaign buttons for “Prisoner 9653.”
 Debs received 913,693 votes, though no electoral college votes……..

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2023/03/30/trump-presidential-run-indicted-constitution/

 

[MT15]

I’m seeing that a conviction on one of the charges against Trump would bar him from holding federal office.

 

[GrandAdmiral]

I’m seeing that a conviction on one of the charges against Trump would bar him from holding federal office.

Yeah. I mentioned it last night. It's either one of those conspiracy charges or the Espionage charge. It'll definitely be challenged if he's convicted because it's never met judicial scrutiny before.