Does Trump ever do any jail time? (1 Viewer)

[Optimus Prime]

Everything I've seen and heard says that the split second Donald Trump is no longer president there will be flood of charges waiting for him

And if he resigns and Pence pardons him there are a ton of state charges as an understudy waiting in the wings if the fed charges can't perform

What do you think the likelihood of there being a jail sentence?

In every movie and TV show I've ever seen, in every political thriller I've ever read about a criminal and corrupt president there is ALWAYS some version of;

"We can't do that to the country",

"A trial would tear the country apart",

"For the nation to heal we need to move on" etc.

Would life imitate art?

Even with the charges, even with the proof the charges are true will the powers that be decide, "we can't do that to the country"?

 

[Optimus Prime]

If the outcome of Donald Trump’s sexual assault trial wasn’t a foregone conclusion, his response to a jury finding he attacked the writer E Jean Carroll was all too predictable.

The former president lashed out at the judge as biased and the jurors as “from an anti-Trump area”, meaning liberal New York, after they believed Carroll’s account of the millionaire businessman attacking her in a department store changing room in the mid-1990s.

The jury ordered him to pay $5m in damages for “sexual abuse” and for defaming Carroll by accusing her of “a made-up SCAM” for political ends.

Trump has taken a similar tack against the Manhattan district attorney, Alvin Bragg, after pleading not guilty last month to 34 criminal charges over the payment of hush money to the porn star Stormy Daniels before the 2016 presidential election. Trump called Bragg, who is Black, an “animal” and a psychopath, and characterised the prosecution as purely political.

All of this goes down well in sections of America.

An audience of Republican voters at a CNN town hall with Trump on Wednesday laughed when he described his assault of Carroll as “playing hanky-panky in a dressing room” and called her a “whack job”.

But in the coming months it’s going to get a lot harder for the former, and possibly future, American president to spin his legal problems as political persecution by Democratic elitists. Investigations against him are mounting, and even more troubled legal waters lie ahead for Trump – and some of his acolytes.

Indictments in conservative Georgia are coming down the line and many of the key witnesses against Trump will be his fellow Republicans, including some who helped him try to rig the 2020 election.

Similarly, investigations by a justice department special counsel into Trump’s actions leading up to the 6 January 2021 storming of the Capitol, and the stashing of classified documents at his Florida mansion, are being built on the accounts of aides and political associates who are potential witnesses against him.

Norman Eisen, a former White House special counsel for ethics and government reform, said that as a result Trump’s legal troubles have only just begun.

“He’s running into a buzzsaw and it’s called the rule of law. So he can go on and rant and rave up to a point but the legal authorities are in the process of holding him accountable,” he said.

Leading the way is a prosecutor in Atlanta who is stacking up witnesses against the former president, almost all of them Republicans, over his attempt to rig the 2020 presidential election result in Georgia.

They include some who tried to help Trump steal the vote but who have been persuaded to give evidence against him to save their own necks…….

Trump rages after sexual abuse verdict but legal woes have only just begun

Investigations are mounting, making it harder for the former president to spin his troubles as persecution by liberal elites

www.theguardian.com

 

[Optimus Prime]

For what it’s worth
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A former aide to former Trump attorney Rudolph Giuliani says he told her the ex-New York City mayor and then-president Donald Trump were offering to sell presidential pardons for $2 million apiece, according to court documents.

The bombshell allegation was levied in a complaint filed against Mr Giuliani by Noelle Dunphy, a New York-based public relations professional who is suing him for “unlawful abuses of power, wide-ranging sexual assault and harassment, wage theft, and other misconduct” committed while she worked for him in 2019 and 2020…..

Giuliani boasted about selling pardons with Trump for $2m, lawsuit claims - live

Trump rally postponed 2023 live

www.independent.co.uk

 

[DaveXA]

For what it’s worth
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A former aide to former Trump attorney Rudolph Giuliani says he told her the ex-New York City mayor and then-president Donald Trump were offering to sell presidential pardons for $2 million apiece, according to court documents.

The bombshell allegation was levied in a complaint filed against Mr Giuliani by Noelle Dunphy, a New York-based public relations professional who is suing him for “unlawful abuses of power, wide-ranging sexual assault and harassment, wage theft, and other misconduct” committed while she worked for him in 2019 and 2020…..

Giuliani boasted about selling pardons with Trump for $2m, lawsuit claims - live

Trump rally postponed 2023 live

www.independent.co.uk

If this is true, they better nail his arse to the wall.

 

[MT15]

Hmmmm….

 

[FullMonte]

Apparently, Evan Corcran (One of Trumps attorneys) specifically told Trump that he could not keep any classified documents after receiving the subpoena, personally searched the area that Trump reportedly had boxes moved to, and took such complete notes about the interactions that they included descriptions of a trumps facial expression during the conversation.

Trump was warned about retaining classified documents, notes reveal

Exclusive: previously unreported warning contained in notes taken by lawyer Evan Corcoran that prosecutors have viewed in recent months

www.theguardian.com

 

[SFIDC3]

Apparently, Evan Corcran (One of Trumps attorneys) specifically told Trump that he could not keep any classified documents after receiving the subpoena, personally searched the area that Trump reportedly had boxes moved to, and took such complete notes about the interactions that they included descriptions of a trumps facial expression during the conversation.

Trump was warned about retaining classified documents, notes reveal

Exclusive: previously unreported warning contained in notes taken by lawyer Evan Corcoran that prosecutors have viewed in recent months

www.theguardian.com

So an actual adult in the room befuddles Trump eliciting "facial expressions"? I mean.....shocking......not.....

 

[FullMonte]

So an actual adult in the room befuddles Trump eliciting "facial expressions"? I mean.....shocking......not.....

I assume the idea was “I know where this is headed, so I am going to detail EVERYTHING so when it blows up, I can cover my butt.”

 

[FullMonte]

Trumps team must thing the end is near on the special counsel investigation. They have demanded a meeting with Merrick Garland, which appears to be a desperate final attempt to stop it.

Donald Trump's lawyers "desperate" by demanding Garland meeting—Biographer

Tim O'Brien said the former president and his team are struggling to "control the narrative" amid reports of incoming classified document indictments.

www.newsweek.com

 

[efil4]

Trumps team must thing the end is near on the special counsel investigation. They have demanded a meeting with Merrick Garland, which appears to be a desperate final attempt to stop it.

Donald Trump's lawyers "desperate" by demanding Garland meeting—Biographer

Tim O'Brien said the former president and his team are struggling to "control the narrative" amid reports of incoming classified document indictments.

www.newsweek.com

its all coming to a head.

The irony of it ALL was Trumps vanity/narcissism is going to be what sinks him.

 

[superchuck500]

Trumps team must thing the end is near on the special counsel investigation. They have demanded a meeting with Merrick Garland, which appears to be a desperate final attempt to stop it.

Donald Trump's lawyers "desperate" by demanding Garland meeting—Biographer

Tim O'Brien said the former president and his team are struggling to "control the narrative" amid reports of incoming classified document indictments.

www.newsweek.com

That's not the kind of letter a serious law firm would write trying to get a meeting with the AG. It doesn't reference any legal basis for a meeting, and is nothing but a short recitation of Trump rhetoric about the investigation.

I think that letter was meant for the public - and the language is very Trumpish, he probably insisted on it.

 

[Saintamaniac]

At this point, Trump might be better off just enjoying as many Big Macs and diet cokes that he can put in his pie hole. He can have a heart attack and save the country a lot of money. He could die a martyr and forever be a hero to his minions. It'll just be our luck that he won't die because Satan doesn't want any competition.

 

[MT15]

 

[MT15]

There is just so much stuff to investigate with Trump. It’s amazing that one man could do this much damage, this much corruption in 4 years time. Of course he had nearly the entire Republican Party to help him out, run interference for him, keep him from being investigated.

 

[efil4]

Now it looks like Feds have tapes. Specific to him talking about having classified documents but can't share because they are classified.
At Mar a Lago.
After he left White House.

So his "it's automatically declassified when I left office" defense just became harder.

 

[MT15]

I’m seeing that the classified documents were a plan for a hypothetical attack on Iran. And he has had a whole lot of contacts with the Saudis since leaving office. And there is testimony from someone (staff? lawyer?) that he has showed off his classified documents to various people.

Gee, wonder how bad the Saudis would like to get a look at that document?

 

[MT15]

 

[GrandAdmiral]

I mean, I would think they can go ahead and start measuring the size of his cell. I'm sure as a former president, he's allowed the perk of having a little extra space.

 

[MT15]

There’s a reporter on TV right now that says the recording is of Trump talking to ghost writers who were working on Mark Meadows’ book at Bedminster. He claims he has this document and says that it’s a document that Mark Milley wrote about a hypothetical attack on Iran, and he wants to show it to them, but he can’t because it’s classified. And she says there’s the sound of paper rustling like he’s waving the document in front of them. Knowing Trump, she says, we have to consider that he may have been lying about having a classified document like that in order to embarrass Milley, who he was mad at then. That does sound like something he would do.

She also says that Jack Smith probably knows if such a document exists and if it is missing, so he will probably get to the bottom of it.