Does Trump ever do any jail time? (2 Viewers)

[Optimus Prime]

Everything I've seen and heard says that the split second Donald Trump is no longer president there will be flood of charges waiting for him

And if he resigns and Pence pardons him there are a ton of state charges as an understudy waiting in the wings if the fed charges can't perform

What do you think the likelihood of there being a jail sentence?

In every movie and TV show I've ever seen, in every political thriller I've ever read about a criminal and corrupt president there is ALWAYS some version of;

"We can't do that to the country",

"A trial would tear the country apart",

"For the nation to heal we need to move on" etc.

Would life imitate art?

Even with the charges, even with the proof the charges are true will the powers that be decide, "we can't do that to the country"?

 

[coldseat]

Donald Trump has told advisers that he wants to be handcuffed when he makes an appearance in court, if he is indicted by a Manhattan grand jury for his role in paying hush money to adult film star Stormy Daniels, multiple sources close to the former president have said.

The former president has reasoned that since he would need to go to the courthouse and surrender himself to authorities for fingerprinting and a mug shot anyway, the sources said, he might as well turn everything into a “spectacle”.

Trump’s increasing insistence that he wants to be handcuffed behind his back for a perp walk appears to come from various motivations, including that he wants to project defiance in the face of what he sees as an unfair prosecution and that it would galvanize his base for his 2024 presidential campaign.

But above all, people close to Trump said, he was deeply anxious that any special arrangements – like making his first court appearance by video link or skulking into the courthouse – would make him look weak or like a loser…….

Trump’s legal team in the hush money case has recoiled at the idea of him going in person and recommended that Trump allow them to quietly turn himself in next week and schedule a remote appearance, even citing guidance from his Secret Service detail about potential security concerns.

But Trump has rejected that approach and told various allies over the weekend that he didn’t care if someone shot him – he would become “a martyr”. He later added that if he got shot, he would probably win the presidency in 2024, the sources said…….

Trump wants to be handcuffed for court appearance in Stormy Daniels case, sources say

People close to former president said to be unsure whether he is serious about wanting to do a perp walk

www.theguardian.com

Give him what he wants. Arrest his arse, cuff him and make him do the perp walk. I'm down for this spectacle.

Tired of prosecutors and the legal establishment tip toeing around this idiot.

 

[Taurus]

Give him what he wants. Arrest his arse, cuff him and make him do the perp walk. I'm down for this spectacle.

Tired of prosecutors and the legal establishment tip toeing around this idiot.

Maybe he can 'resist arrest' and get beaten to a pulp. The sheer poetic justice might be enough to repair the timeline.

 

[Optimus Prime]

 

[Optimus Prime]

 

[coldseat]

Is visiting a dentist and having decent teeth a liberal conspiracy? Why is it 2023 and these people have never heard of this service?

 

[Optimus Prime]

........The former president has long played a key role in the imaginations of Christian nationalists, who believe America is an inherently Christian nation, should have Christian laws, and that Trump is their savior. Christian nationalist language has seeped into MAGA-world rhetoric, but Trump’s imminent arrest has taken it to new heights.

Lawyer Joseph McBride, who is representing a handful of Jan. 6 defendants, thinks that the timing of Trump’s likely arrest is notable.

“President Trump will be arrested during lent—a time of suffering and purification for the followers of Jesus Christ,” McBride wrote on Twitter. “As Christ was crucified, and then rose again on the 3rd day, so too will @realdonaldtrump.”

When he faced some pushback on comparing Trump’s plight to Jesus Christ’s hours-long torture, McBride doubled down. “JESUS LOVES DONALD TRUMP. JESUS DIED FOR DONALD TRUMP. JESUS LIVES INSIDE DONALD TRUMP,” McBride tweeted. “DEAL WITH IT.”

Other Trump supporters see eerie similarities between the Manhattan DA and the Romans who crucified Jesus.

“Rome tried to silence a peaceful leader via political persecution, and ended up creating the most pervasive & permanent religious figure in all of world history,” MAGA-world influencer Reanna Dilley wrote on Twitter. “Good forking luck, New York.”

Others are writing Trump into the Bible.

“To the wicked who are plotting against President Trump, who has committed no crime. Who has been chosen and appointed by Jesus Christ for such a time as this,” one person wrote on Truth Social. “May you fall into your own nets, While President Trump escapes safely. - from Psalm 141:10.”

Trump’s base worshiped him as a heaven-sent, Christ-like figure, despite his crass language, reported philandering, and scant evidence that he regularly attended church before running for president. His presidency helped usher in a new era of Christian nationalism, a right-wing philosophy whose adherents believe Trump is on a mission to restore God's kingdom in America by transforming its laws and cultural institutions to reflect evangelical Christian values. A widely-cited study identified Christian nationalism as the dominant ideology among the Jan. 6 Capitol rioters. And there’s even a book, “President Donald J. Trump, The Son of Man—The Christ,” written by a Trump supporter.............

Who Had It Worse, Trump or Jesus Christ?

In MAGA-world and Christian Nationalism circles, many Trump supporters see his imminent arrest as eerily similar to the crucification of Jesus Christ.

www.vice.com

 

[superchuck500]

Reportedly, the judge in the MarALago documents case yesterday gave Trumps attorneys a deadline of midnight las night to file a motion regarding his lawyer being compelled to testify; and gave the DOJ a deadline a 6am today to respond.

Can any of the legal experts here comment on this ridiculously short timeline?

Trump Lawyer to Testify in Mar-a-Lago Case After ‘Extraordinary’ Last-Minute Legal Battle

Evan Corcoran is expected to appear before the grand jury on Friday, according to multiple reports.

www.thedailybeast.com

That was the DC Circuit - the federal district judge last week ruled that Corcoran had to turn over the material. He filed and emergency appeal to the DC Circuit, which then provided this highly unusual expedited schedule likely because it wants to resolve the question right away.

Specifically the question is application of the crime/fraud exception to the attorney-client privilege. It is believed that Corcoran has detailed notes and possibly even recordings of Trump implicating criminal intent regarding the records handling.

 

[superchuck500]

In other words, the DC Cir found that the material was sufficiently probative of criminal activity that the crime/fraud exception to A/C privilege applied.

 

[killa]

Does Trump ever do any jail time​

You got him now. You really got him now. You really really got him now..again

 

[superchuck500]

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You got him now. You really got him now. You really really got him now..again

What punctuation is that?

 

[efil4]

What punctuation is that?

Russian.

 

[SaintForLife]

why do you suppose Cohen went to prison for the exact same crime? Why should Trump not be charged for the exact crime that Trump’s DOJ put Michael Cohen in prison for?

Just because the DOJ didn’t charge doesn’t mean it wasn’t a crime and that it shouldn’t be charged.

Do you think Trump should get a pass? If so, why?

What Trump did was pretty similar to what Clinton did right?

NEW YORK (AP) — Hillary Clinton’s 2016 presidential campaign and the Democratic National Committee have agreed to pay $113,000 to settle a Federal Election Commission investigation into whether they violated campaign finance law by misreporting spending on research that eventually became the infamous Steele dossier.

That’s according to documents sent Tuesday to the Coolidge Reagan Foundation, which had filed an administrative complaint in 2018 accusing the Democrats of misreporting payments made to a law firm during the 2016 campaign to obscure the spending.

DNC, Clinton campaign agree to Steele dossier funding fine

Hillary Clinton’s 2016 presidential campaign and the Democratic National Committee have agreed to pay $113,000 to settle a Federal Election Commission investigation.

apnews.com

 

[efil4]

What Trump did was pretty similar to what Clinton did right?

NEW YORK (AP) — Hillary Clinton’s 2016 presidential campaign and the Democratic National Committee have agreed to pay $113,000 to settle a Federal Election Commission investigation into whether they violated campaign finance law by misreporting spending on research that eventually became the infamous Steele dossier.

That’s according to documents sent Tuesday to the Coolidge Reagan Foundation, which had filed an administrative complaint in 2018 accusing the Democrats of misreporting payments made to a law firm during the 2016 campaign to obscure the spending.

DNC, Clinton campaign agree to Steele dossier funding fine

Hillary Clinton’s 2016 presidential campaign and the Democratic National Committee have agreed to pay $113,000 to settle a Federal Election Commission investigation.

apnews.com

That's the best false equivalency tweet you could find??

Yall slackin...

 

[brandon]

Does Trump ever do any jail time​

You got him now. You really got him now. You really really got him now..again

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[MT15]

What Trump did was pretty similar to what Clinton did right?

NEW YORK (AP) — Hillary Clinton’s 2016 presidential campaign and the Democratic National Committee have agreed to pay $113,000 to settle a Federal Election Commission investigation into whether they violated campaign finance law by misreporting spending on research that eventually became the infamous Steele dossier.

That’s according to documents sent Tuesday to the Coolidge Reagan Foundation, which had filed an administrative complaint in 2018 accusing the Democrats of misreporting payments made to a law firm during the 2016 campaign to obscure the spending.

DNC, Clinton campaign agree to Steele dossier funding fine

Hillary Clinton’s 2016 presidential campaign and the Democratic National Committee have agreed to pay $113,000 to settle a Federal Election Commission investigation.

apnews.com

Nope. There will be something much stronger in the Trump indictment. If you haven’t realized the way Trump acts by now, I don’t know what to tell you. The best guesses on this are witness tampering, tax evasion, and one that I forget right now to go along with the election finance misdemeanor. Which will make it a felony, rather than the simple alleged reporting error you have described above. When you read the article the Clinton campaign doesn’t believe they misreported anything, but settled to avoid further costs. Things get settled all the time without an admission of guilt.

In Trump’s case, he wouldn’t have been in trouble had he reported the expense properly. But he had Cohen lie about it and he tried to hide it entirely. He also lied about it himself. He actually should have been prosecuted by the DOJ as soon as he left office, since they named him as being responsible for the crime when they charged Cohen. But Barr shut it down.

Do you think it’s right that Cohen went to prison for doing what Trump told him to do, but that Trump should get off?

 

[Lapaz]

Nope. There will be something much stronger in the Trump indictment. If you haven’t realized the way Trump acts by now, I don’t know what to tell you. The best guesses on this are witness tampering, tax evasion, and one that I forget right now to go along with the election finance misdemeanor. Which will make it a felony, rather than the simple alleged reporting error you have described above. When you read the article the Clinton campaign doesn’t believe they misreported anything, but settled to avoid further costs. Things get settled all the time without an admission of guilt.

In Trump’s case, he wouldn’t have been in trouble had he reported the expense properly. But he had Cohen lie about it and he tried to hide it entirely. He also lied about it himself. He actually should have been prosecuted by the DOJ as soon as he left office, since they named him as being responsible for the crime when they charged Cohen. But Barr shut it down.

Do you think it’s right that Cohen went to prison for doing what Trump told him to do, but that Trump should get off?

I think that Cohen went to jail for the same crime is one of the overlooked elements justifying the prosecution. Still, if this is a weaker case than the Georgia election interference and the January 6th insurrection instigation, then I think those cases should be charged first.

 

[MT15]

I think that Cohen went to jail for the same crime is one of the overlooked elements justifying the prosecution. Still, if this is a weaker case than the Georgia election interference and the January 6th insurrection instigation, then I think those cases should be charged first.

Probably, but they don’t do that sort of cooperation I don’t think.

 

[Bigdaddysaints]

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I don't think Trump will actually do Jail time. I do think he'll get indicted and prosecuted. Just promise us you won't jump off a brdge when it happens..