Does Trump ever do any jail time? (16 Viewers)

[Optimus Prime]

Everything I've seen and heard says that the split second Donald Trump is no longer president there will be flood of charges waiting for him

And if he resigns and Pence pardons him there are a ton of state charges as an understudy waiting in the wings if the fed charges can't perform

What do you think the likelihood of there being a jail sentence?

In every movie and TV show I've ever seen, in every political thriller I've ever read about a criminal and corrupt president there is ALWAYS some version of;

"We can't do that to the country",

"A trial would tear the country apart",

"For the nation to heal we need to move on" etc.

Would life imitate art?

Even with the charges, even with the proof the charges are true will the powers that be decide, "we can't do that to the country"?

 

[Bigdaddysaints]

I actually hope they riot and try to stop it. all it does is make him look worse, because he will not call for them to back down this time like he reluctantly did last time after being pressured..

 

[MT15]

My thoughts are:

1. he isn’t going to be arrested at Mar-a-Lago. He will go to NY to be booked or whatever term is. His lawyers will insist on it, and he will comply because if he doesn’t he will technically be a fugitive and he is ultimately a huge coward. After he is booked he will go his merry way, but he will have to return for the trial.

2. I’ll bet the residents of Palm Beach are thrilled with the traveling circus of Q-Nuts and MAGA freaks who just rolled in, lol.

 

[Saintamaniac]

He knows exactly what he’s doing

He most certainly believes he does

and will use this to play the liberals poorly educated

Trump is on record stating that he loves the poorly educated and based on the things you have posted since joining, Trump most assuredly loves you.

He’s been playing them for over six years and knows exactly what he’s doing.

He's been playing the poorly educated these last six years because he needs them to sacrifice themselves for his benefit and he also needs their money that they so readily give to him and the Republicans so that they can....wait for it.....own the libs.

I don't know care what he did or if he did anything at all.

We'd respect you more if you just came out and stated that you don't care what he's done. It would make you look less cultish.

Should he face charges? Sure absolutely, give him his jaywalking ticket, let him pay the $50. And be done with it.

When he's indicted and convicted, will you be a man and come back here and eat crow or will you melt like a snowflake? Better yet, why don't you join the rest of the true believers who will sacrifice themselves rioting trying to stop trump from being arrested. There will be plenty of ammo around for all the melting snowflake MAGAts who decide to riot.

 

[MT15]

Good point:

 

[MT15]

Ah, this is why there is a late witness added for the grand jury tomorrow and a clue about what crime is added to make the pay-off a felony:

 

[SamAndreas]

Ah, this is why there is a late witness added for the grand jury tomorrow and a clue about what crime is added to make the pay-off a felony:

That would fit the few details we have.

Bossiness Insider has been speculating. They see a falsification of business records charge. I don't see how that kind of minor charge would entice a prosecutor to take such a big risk. It would be quite daunting to even think about wrestling with that 450 pound bull in a china shop over that.

What I don't understand is why everyone is just looking at the Stormy Danial's affair to be the end all of possibilities. There has been quite a shakeup of the Trump organization, people facing time for what they did for Trump, needing something to trade for time out. That could open the possibility that the charges be about something which hasn't been discussed in the news at all.

Who knows maybe Trump actually did shoot someone on 5th avenue, but did it in darkness instead of the light of day. Perhaps it was covered up by the same actors who covered up the hush money. Perhaps opening one door has unexpectedly opened another door.

When speculating I always like to speculate really big. It's much more exciting for me.

Not so fast. A New York grand jury will hear a final surprise witness on Monday and won't vote on Trump indictment until it's over.

A Manhattan grand jury will continue hearing evidence Monday in the Trump hush-money investigation. A final witness must testify before the panel can

www.businessinsider.nl

 

[SaintForLife]

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Tuesday...

Trump claiming illegal leaks. Likely they informed him of it, and he leaked it so he could accuse the DA of leaking it. It's his standard playbook.

Local, state and federal law enforcement and security agencies are preparing for the possibility that former President Donald Trump will be indicted as early as next week, according to five senior officials familiar with the preparations.

Law enforcement agencies are prepping for a possible Trump indictment as early as next week

Multiple agencies are discussing potential security plans for in and around the Manhattan Criminal Court in case Trump is charged in connection with an alleged hush money payment to Stormy Daniels.

www.nbcnews.com

 

[samiam5211]

Local, state and federal law enforcement and security agencies are preparing for the possibility that former President Donald Trump will be indicted as early as next week, according to five senior officials familiar with the preparations.

Law enforcement agencies are prepping for a possible Trump indictment as early as next week

Multiple agencies are discussing potential security plans for in and around the Manhattan Criminal Court in case Trump is charged in connection with an alleged hush money payment to Stormy Daniels.

www.nbcnews.com

Did they say Tuesday?

 

[Bigdaddysaints]

Its gonna be fun watching all the "peacful" protests..

 

[SaintForLife]

Since there seems to be some confusion about what Trump allegedly did in NY for him be indicted:

The law that Trump allegedly violated is a misdemeanor. Potentially charging the former president for an incident that occurred almost seven years ago, and it’s minor stuff. Falsifying business records by claiming that the $130,000 payoff to Daniels for keeping quiet about their affair was actually for legal expenses. Now, the DA might try to elevate the crime to a felony by claiming the intent to defraud included an intent to commit or conceal a second crime, and that one being a violation of New York state election law. They would argue that the payoff was done to protect his campaign and effectively became an improper donation.

Putting aside how long ago this happened. Putting aside the fact of the Manhattan DA’s office — under a different DA — examined this case in 2018 and decided not to move forward with it. Putting aside the fact that this new DA, Alvin Bragg, was in office for over a year before he seemed to suddenly become interested in this old case. Put all that aside, it also could be a really hard legal case. This effort at making it a felony would be a novel legal theory, and proving that the payment was made for the purposes of protecting the campaign as opposed to — say, protecting him from his wife, Melania, finding out — would be difficult. Other prosecutors have failed in similar efforts in campaign finance cases, and this was not even a New York state election. It was a federal election!

Now, the former president denies ever having had an affair with Stormy Daniels. Do I believe that? Of course not. Do I think he paid the money to Daniels for exactly the reasons [Michael] Cohen claims? Yeah. But that does not mean that criminal charges should be brought in this case, at this time, against this defendant.

And to those on the Left who say, ‘Well, if it was me or anyone else, he would be charged. why is this any different?’ I say, that’s not true. Any good prosecutor would, should look at this old, relatively-minor and difficult case with a tainted star witness and say ‘Not worth it.’ But I feel this prosecutors allowing politics to seep into a case that is already fraught with allegations of bias. Now that the criminal tax and bank fraud cases have fizzled legally, this one has the feel of a desperate long shot.

Dan Abrams: Indicting Trump Over the Stormy Daniels Hush Money Scandal Would Be a ‘Big Mistake’

NewsNation host and Mediaite founder Dan Abrams argued it would be a "big mistake" to indict former President Trump over the Stormy Daniels hush money scandal.

www.mediaite.com

 

[Bigdaddysaints]

I bet you felt the same way for Jesse Jackson Jr, right?

 

[J-DONK]

This whole NDA thing feels like a giant loophole for sex workers. =)

"You aren't paying for the sex, but the NDA we sign afterwards."

It's like that Dave Chappelle skit, but there is a notary, and two witnesses along with the sex worker.

 

[Optimus Prime]

Prominent Republicans disagree about a lot these days, but on one point they have found consensus: Getting charged with a crime would be great news for Donald Trump.

After the former president predicted that he will be arrested in Manhattan tomorrow—a forecast that seems questionable, though an indictment from Manhattan District Attorney Alvin Bragg does seem to be imminent—conventional wisdom quickly developed on the right that Trump would be the big winner.

“The prosecutor in New York has done more to help Donald Trump get elected president than any single person in America today,” Senator Lindsey Graham of South Carolina said. “Mr. Bragg, you have helped Donald Trump, amazing.”

At National Review, Rich Lowry announced, “It’s going to be very bad for the country and good politically—at least in the short term and perhaps for the duration—for Donald J. Trump.” (Lowry didn’t bother to offer any basis for this claim.)

The former Trump spokesperson Taylor Budowich, now running a pro-Trump super PAC called MAGA Inc., said in a statement that an indictment “will not only serve to coalesce President Trump’s support, but it will become the single largest in-kind contribution to a federal campaign in political history.”

Other Republican contenders for president didn’t make predictions quite so firm, but they either hastened to criticize Bragg or kept their mouth shut, both indications that they see this as a moment of strength for Trump, rather than a good opening to bury their own daggers in a weakened rival’s back.


The immediate spin, backed by so little actual argument, is a bit dizzying and bit déjà vu. Back in the 2008 presidential campaign, when the GOP nominee, John McCain, forgot how many houses he owned, the pundit Mark Halperin became infamous for a prediction: “My hunch is this is going to end up being one of the worst moments in the entire campaign for one of the candidates, but it’s Barack Obama.”

That became a notoriously bad take, but Halperin is unchastened. “You are about to increase the odds that Donald Trump will win another four years in the White House,” he wrote in italics on his Substack. “You could in fact be increasing his chances of winning dramatically, maybe even decisively.”

But don’t dismiss Halperin’s prediction because he’s a washed-up source of conventional wisdom who’s been badly wrong in the past. Dismiss it because it makes so little sense in light of what we know now. Politics is contingent and volatile, which means that any prediction about what will happen is worth the pixels it’s printed on. The future here is especially hard to guess because nothing really like it has ever happened. As the Republican pollster Whit Ayres dryly told Politico, “I have never studied the indictment of a former president and leading presidential candidate, … and I’ve never done any polling on the indictment of a former president and leading presidential candidate.”

But the assumption that Trump will profit seems to spring from hubris (among his allies) and self-protective fear (on the part of his critics and rivals). They are operating on a shared, obsolete conclusion that nothing can ever harm the former president. For a long time, this made sense. Despite a series of scandals that would have ended the career, much less the candidacy, of any other politician, Trump won the 2016 presidential election and then embarked on an even more scandal-ridden administration. Yet he seemed to chug away, indifferent to bad press. A narrative of Trumpian invincibility developed as an antidote to callow, wish-casting predictions of walls closing in on Trump.............

This Is Not Great News for Donald Trump

 

[MT15]

The law that Trump allegedly violated is a misdemeanor. Potentially charging the former president for an incident that occurred almost seven years ago, and it’s minor stuff. Falsifying business records by claiming that the $130,000 payoff to Daniels for keeping quiet about their affair was actually for legal expenses. Now, the DA might try to elevate the crime to a felony by claiming the intent to defraud included an intent to commit or conceal a second crime, and that one being a violation of New York state election law. They would argue that the payoff was done to protect his campaign and effectively became an improper donation.

Putting aside how long ago this happened. Putting aside the fact of the Manhattan DA’s office — under a different DA — examined this case in 2018 and decided not to move forward with it. Putting aside the fact that this new DA, Alvin Bragg, was in office for over a year before he seemed to suddenly become interested in this old case. Put all that aside, it also could be a really hard legal case. This effort at making it a felony would be a novel legal theory, and proving that the payment was made for the purposes of protecting the campaign as opposed to — say, protecting him from his wife, Melania, finding out — would be difficult. Other prosecutors have failed in similar efforts in campaign finance cases, and this was not even a New York state election. It was a federal election!

Now, the former president denies ever having had an affair with Stormy Daniels. Do I believe that? Of course not. Do I think he paid the money to Daniels for exactly the reasons [Michael] Cohen claims? Yeah. But that does not mean that criminal charges should be brought in this case, at this time, against this defendant.

And to those on the Left who say, ‘Well, if it was me or anyone else, he would be charged. why is this any different?’ I say, that’s not true. Any good prosecutor would, should look at this old, relatively-minor and difficult case with a tainted star witness and say ‘Not worth it.’ But I feel this prosecutors allowing politics to seep into a case that is already fraught with allegations of bias. Now that the criminal tax and bank fraud cases have fizzled legally, this one has the feel of a desperate long shot.

Dan Abrams: Indicting Trump Over the Stormy Daniels Hush Money Scandal Would Be a ‘Big Mistake’

NewsNation host and Mediaite founder Dan Abrams argued it would be a "big mistake" to indict former President Trump over the Stormy Daniels hush money scandal.

www.mediaite.com

why do you suppose Cohen went to prison for the exact same crime? Why should Trump not be charged for the exact crime that Trump’s DOJ put Michael Cohen in prison for?

Just because the DOJ didn’t charge doesn’t mean it wasn’t a crime and that it shouldn’t be charged.

Do you think Trump should get a pass? If so, why?

 

[MT15]

IIRC, I read that Melania knew about the affair for years, so the idea that Trump made the payoff to keep her from finding out is just ridiculous. Trump never hid his affairs, he was proud of them.

 

[Bigdaddysaints]

IIRC, I read that Melania knew about the affair for years, so the idea that Trump made the payoff to keep her from finding out is just ridiculous. Trump never hid his affairs, he was proud of them.

and its funny some people think she's not with him for the money...lol
(more power to her, i have nothing against those types of relationships)

 

[superchuck500]

So the whole “leak” of NY charges this week is nothing more than a timeline of the grand jury.

Looks like they will vote on Wednesday.

 

[superchuck500]