Critical race theory (1 Viewer)

[DaveXA]

Frankly, I'm completely ignorant when it comes to the Critical Race Theory curriculum. What is it, where does it come from, and is it legitimate? Has anyone here read it and maybe give a quick summary?

If this has been covered in another thread, then I missed it.

 

[Port City JJ]

CRT by any other name is still CRT

Can you tell me exactly what CRT is

Because I bet that if it is what you think it is, it is not being taught in school.

 

[Farb]

Can you tell me exactly what CRT is

Because I bet that if it is what you think it is, it is not being taught in school.

I can and I have posted my definition of it on this very thread. You are welcome to have a look.

 

[Port City JJ]

I can and I have posted my definition of it on this very thread. You are welcome to have a look.

I searched: https://madaboutpolitics.com/search...st&c[thread]=137094&c[users]=Farb&o=relevance

I read all your posts and I didn't see where you gave your definition. I did see you quote a link as "Critical race theory usually teaches that America, its supporters, and her institutions are inherently racist and discriminatory, and that race is used as a social construct to oppress and exploit people of color."

but that's not the case. That statement is convoluted hyperbole. What you say CRT is, is absolutely NOT being taught in schools.

Now American systems were built and designed with racial bias and the institutions are filled with institutional racism.

How could a country built on slavery of a particular race not have racial oppression and exploitation?!?!

CRT is examining our history through those lenses, NOT "Americans and supporters are inherently racist"

I think after going back and reading so much of this thread that this has been WELL EXPLAINED to you several times. You are just Bacca from Katsu. You are not looking for genuine intellectual discourse, this is a game for you, and you are just looking for people to play with.

 

[Farb]

I searched: https://madaboutpolitics.com/search...st&c[thread]=137094&c[users]=Farb&o=relevance

I read all your posts and I didn't see where you gave your definition. I did see you quote a link as "Critical race theory usually teaches that America, its supporters, and her institutions are inherently racist and discriminatory, and that race is used as a social construct to oppress and exploit people of color."

but that's not the case. That statement is convoluted hyperbole. What you say CRT is, is absolutely NOT being taught in schools.

Now American systems were built and designed with racial bias and the institutions are filled with institutional racism.

How could a country built on slavery of a particular race not have racial oppression and exploitation?!?!

CRT is examining our history through those lenses, NOT "Americans and supporters are inherently racist"

I think after going back and reading so much of this thread that this has been WELL EXPLAINED to you several times. You are just Bacca from Katsu. You are not looking for genuine intellectual discourse, this is a game for you, and you are just looking for people to play with.

And what you just typed was not full of hyperbole. LOL

I don't think this country was built and designed with racial bias and I don't think there is systemic racism in this country. Can you show me a law in this country that is racist....well, toward a minority. Affirmative action is racist toward whites and Asians but that doesn't count does it? (see NY State Antibody treatment presser)

The country was not built on slavery. Slavery was present. Yes.

CRT or racial essentialism teaches racial dynamics through the lenses of oppressor and oppressed. No problem with that by itself. I have a problem with it being taught, and not a course you sign up for, but taught through the teachers who actually think they are doing a good thing. Nothing says good job like having students start to see each other as oppressor and victim. I know this is a neo-marxist dream. I don't and the vast majority of American's don't want it either (see Virginia).

I have no idea who Bacca or Katsu is, not a big star wars fan. Just because someone explains something does not mean it is correct. I can't wait for you to pearl clutch at my views of BLM. I

For someone you think is not looking for 'genuine discourse' you sure like 'discoursing' with me a whole lot, so thanks for playing with me.

 

[samiam5211]

And what you just typed was not full of hyperbole. LOL

I don't think this country was built and designed with racial bias and I don't think there is systemic racism in this country. Can you show me a law in this country that is racist....well, toward a minority. Affirmative action is racist toward whites and Asians but that doesn't count does it? (see NY State Antibody treatment presser)

The country was not built on slavery. Slavery was present. Yes.

CRT or racial essentialism teaches racial dynamics through the lenses of oppressor and oppressed. No problem with that by itself. I have a problem with it being taught, and not a course you sign up for, but taught through the teachers who actually think they are doing a good thing. Nothing says good job like having students start to see each other as oppressor and victim. I know this is a neo-marxist dream. I don't and the vast majority of American's don't want it either (see Virginia).

I have no idea who Bacca or Katsu is, not a big star wars fan. Just because someone explains something does not mean it is correct. I can't wait for you to pearl clutch at my views of BLM. I

For someone you think is not looking for 'genuine discourse' you sure like 'discoursing' with me a whole lot, so thanks for playing with me.

Lets just rename this thread "Groundhog Day"

 

[SamAndreas]

CRT by any other name is still CRT

I think that CRT is a stand in that the Conservative lobby has substituted to focus their criticism of the 1619 project on lest their criticism lead to more folks to reading the 1619 project information than would have had they not said anything about the topic.

That the CRT criticism is a blatant Red Herring, a dirty trick as it were. Not on the up and up.

 

[dtc]

I don't think this country was built and designed with racial bias and I don't think there is systemic racism in this country. Can you show me a law in this country that is racist....well, toward a minority. Affirmative action is racist toward whites and Asians but that doesn't count does it? (see NY State Antibody treatment presser)

The country was not built on slavery. Slavery was present. Yes.

That's an interesting statement. Would you expound, please?

I ask because I am a direct descendant of not only slave owners, but slave dealers. Part of my family to this day is and has been wealthy for generations and that wealth at least as far as I know was built on or by slavery / slaves. The drainage that feeds property we've owned for 200 plus years was hand dug by slaves. The money raised to buy the slaves and the property was derived at least in large measure by the profits from auctions. That wealth has literally built parts of our city, state and region.

Beyond my own personal and anecdotal points, it is inarguable that a great many of our country's greatest historical landmarks were built by slaves. Many of them stand today and in a city like New Orleans, it's impossible to go a mile without seeing something up close and personal that was built by slaves and that's way before we get to the fact that even post emancipation the descendants of slaves were part of the labor that built everything more than 50 years old. And, they were hardly and unfairly paid at best.

The defining moment in American History is likely the Civil War. It was fought by, for and against slavery. Slaves built the munitions, supplies and fortifications for the south and some of the north.

The remnants of slavery may not be as obvious today as they were 20 or 50 years ago, but as a 53 year old son of New Orleans, I am personally and directly possessing of memories of colored entrances and water fountains. Without getting into great detail, I am the walking end of the line for white paternal racism in NOLA. The woman who was responsible for taking care of me up until about 7 was my age now and looked to be 100. She had never been to school. She never learned to read. Her daughter and the mother of my best friend never went to integrated schools which only started to be integrated about the time I was born.

Think about that if you will. I was born when the Saints were formed and at that time you could not have black people eating in restaurants, drinking from fountains or going to public schools with whites. Many of those restaurants, fountains and public school buildings were built by slaves or their descendants. Many still stand today

Please do explain what you mean when you say this country was not built on slavery. And how can the sun be present and its light nourish the gardens, but the garden's existence not built on the sun?

 

[Farb]

Lets just rename this thread "Groundhog Day"

I feel the same way.... exhausting

 

[Farb]

That's an interesting statement. Would you expound, please?

I ask because I am a direct descendant of not only slave owners, but slave dealers. Part of my family to this day is and has been wealthy for generations and that wealth at least as far as I know was built on or by slavery / slaves. The drainage that feeds property we've owned for 200 plus years was hand dug by slaves. The money raised to buy the slaves and the property was derived at least in large measure by the profits from auctions. That wealth has literally built parts of our city, state and region.

Beyond my own personal and anecdotal points, it is inarguable that a great many of our country's greatest historical landmarks were built by slaves. Many of them stand today and in a city like New Orleans, it's impossible to go a mile without seeing something up close and personal that was built by slaves and that's way before we get to the fact that even post emancipation the descendants of slaves were part of the labor that built everything more than 50 years old. And, they were hardly and unfairly paid at best.

The defining moment in American History is likely the Civil War. It was fought by, for and against slavery. Slaves built the munitions, supplies and fortifications for the south and some of the north.

The remnants of slavery may not be as obvious today as they were 20 or 50 years ago, but as a 53 year old son of New Orleans, I am personally and directly possessing of memories of colored entrances and water fountains. Without getting into great detail, I am the walking end of the line for white paternal racism in NOLA. The woman who was responsible for taking care of me up until about 7 was my age now and looked to be 100. She had never been to school. She never learned to read. Her daughter and the mother of my best friend never went to integrated schools which only started to be integrated about the time I was born.

Think about that if you will. I was born when the Saints were formed and at that time you could not have black people eating in restaurants, drinking from fountains or going to public schools with whites. Many of those restaurants, fountains and public school buildings were built by slaves or their descendants. Many still stand today

Please do explain what you mean when you say this country was not built on slavery. And how can the sun be present and its light nourish the gardens, but the garden's existence not built on the sun?

Can you name a place on the earth where slavery was not present and did not 'construct' building, drainage systems, agricultural infrastructure?

If not for slavery, would American just be sitting around in mud huts because there was no slave labor? What about the areas of the country that were settled and established after the abolishment of slavery?

I don't think you will find anyone that thinks slavery is a good thing, besides those locations that still have slavery in 2022. How long is our penitence? This society tore itself apart and waged a war to end slavery but we must still (we being only white people) must view ourselves as morally insufficient and that I don't buy into that at all. You obviously do and harbor 'white guilt' but I don't and I don't mind saying so.

 

[Optimus Prime]

So McAuliffe lost the election in large part due to him saying that parents shouldn't tell schools what to teach, but it's AOK for government to tell schools what they can and can't teach?
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A Virginia lawmaker introduced a bill that would regulate what history teachers in the state can teach — but the proposed legislation included a factual error about former President Abraham Lincoln.

House bill No. 781, proposed by newly-minted Republican Del. Wren Williams this month, seeks to prohibit "divisive concepts" from instruction in Virginia public elementary and secondary schools.

The bill would standardize social studies curriculum taught in schools and aims to have instructors teach about the "founding documents of the United States," which the bill includes as "the Declaration of Independence, the United States Constitution, the Federalist Papers, including Essays 10 and 51, excerpts from Alexis de Tocqueville's Democracy in America, the first debate between Abraham Lincoln and Frederick Douglass, and the writings of the Founding Fathers of the United States."

But Lincoln did not debate abolitionist Frederick Douglass.

The famed Lincoln-Douglas debates of 1858 in Illinois were between incumbent Democratic Senator Stephen A. Douglas and Lincoln, his Republican challenger in the senate race. The extension of slavery into American territories was the central issue of the debates.

A rep for Williams did not immediately comment on the mistake to Insider.

Williams, a lawyer who was sworn in as a member of the Virginia House of Delegates on Wednesday, announced in June that his first bill would "ban the teaching of critical race theory."

"The indoctrination of our children in Critical Race Theory is appalling and will prove fatal to our nation," Williams said at the time. "We should be teaching our students that they are created equal, and to understand the past and present in a way that fosters grace and unity, not hatred and division."..............

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[Optimus Prime]

A lawsuit filed by a Christian legal organization against a Virginia school district alleges it teaches critical race theory that discriminates against students because it “classifies all individuals into a racial group and identifies them as either perpetually privileged oppressors or perpetually victimized.”

The Alliance Defending Freedom (ADF) is a Christian, conservative legal nonprofit based in Arizona that has won landmark Supreme Court cases allowing bakers to refuse to sell cakes celebrating same-sex weddings and companies to refuse to pay for employee contraceptive coverage because of religious beliefs of employers.

On Dec. 22, the organization filed suit against the Albemarle County School Board and school officials in Albemarle County Circuit Court, alleging the anti-racist curriculum’s “pathological teachings … treat students differently based on race in direct conflict with Supreme Court precedent and the Virginia Constitution.”

In 2019, the suit said, the county school board adopted an anti-racism policy that is “racist at its core” because it “views everyone and everything through the lens of race.”

“It imputes racism not only to those who consciously discriminate based on race, but also to those of a certain race (white) who do not actively participate in the prescribed dismantling,” the suit said.

Materials developed to implement the policy and taught to eighth-graders, according to the suit, instructed students that racism “privileges white people” even though racism can “affect any human heart.” Pictures of the materials included in the suit say “remaining apolitical” or saying there are “two sides to every story” can uphold a "racist system.”........

At an Albemarle County School Board virtual meeting Thursday evening, two parents in the school system condemned the lawsuit and directed the board to push forward with Culturally Responsive Teaching.

Amanda Moxham, from the Hate-Free Schools Coalition of Albemarle County, told board members over Zoom that the lawsuit devalued a policy developed by students in the school system. She argued that the lawsuit was a part of a coordinated campaign to decry teaching about racial inequality as “anti-White, anti-Christian and anti-American.”

“It’s yet another one of these situations where the right wing is continuing to push and push and push, and what we know to be true is that our students deserve better,” Moxham said.

Emily Mathon followed Moxham, stating that the school system’s anti-racism policy and Culturally Responsive Teaching are in line with its mission statement to “know every student.”

“To do that, we have to embrace the intersectionality of children’s identities and cultures,” Mathon said. “We must adapt, grow and change to create learning environments of belonging. That requires efforts, intentionality and discomfort for some.”...........

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[Optimus Prime]

Good article
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……Opponents of CRT claim that this academic lens is divisive, anti-White and anti-American. Many have claimed that its teachings are a means of forcing a political agenda onto children in lieu of focusing on subjects deemed more educational.


Don’t be fooled, though.

The retaliation against CRT shows that parents have no idea what students are learning — and that their protests are less about education and more about a projection of their own biases and fears.


As one of the few high school students who have actually been taught CRT, I should know.

At my school, students are often permitted to participate in short workshops on current controversial topics. The one we did on CRT lasted 75 minutes. For students who wish to deepen their understanding of CRT, a semester-long elective — completely optional — is offered during senior year.

Material on CRT is by no means replacing instruction in math, science or other core subjects in our curriculum.


When we discussed CRT in our short workshop, we were taught the basic premise of critical race theory — that the underlying cause of racism within our country is institutional oppression built into American government and law.

This structural racism shows up in systems such as the electoral college, which allowed slaveholding states disproportionate representation, and the prison-industrial complex, which upholds forced labor to this day.


Yes, we discussed White privilege, the fact that because of systems planted hundreds of years ago, White-identifying people have been given unfair advantages over their non-White counterparts.

But this discussion in no way resembled the chaos described by anti-CRT activists who argue that the concept of White privilege will lead to widespread resentment of White people.


Were we taught that all White people are nothing but racist bigots? No.

Were we taught that all White people should feel guilty about events in the past they could not control? No.

Were students taught to hate their White friends and teachers?
Absolutely not.


CRT does not promote the hatred of White people. Nor does the acknowledgment of White privilege………

https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2022/01/14/high-school-critical-race-theory-message-to-protesters/

 

[Saintamaniac]

Can you name a place on the earth where slavery was not present and did not 'construct' building, drainage systems, agricultural infrastructure?

If not for slavery, would American just be sitting around in mud huts because there was no slave labor? What about the areas of the country that were settled and established after the abolishment of slavery?

I don't think you will find anyone that thinks slavery is a good thing, besides those locations that still have slavery in 2022. How long is our penitence? This society tore itself apart and waged a war to end slavery but we must still (we being only white people) must view ourselves as morally insufficient and that I don't buy into that at all. You obviously do and harbor 'white guilt' but I don't and I don't mind saying so.

I was reading the conversation between you and @dtc and I understand what you are saying. I agree with you that you shouldn't have to do penitence because you are white. I just don't think anyone is actually asking for that.

The whole back and forth just made me think of the South Park episode about Kanye West being a gay fish. Everyone body but Kanye could get the joke but Kanye was the only person who couldn't get it even though everyone was trying to explain it to him.

 

[BullSheetBuddha]

This society tore itself apart and waged a war to end slavery but we must still (we being only white people) must view ourselves as morally insufficient and that I don't buy into that at all. You obviously do and harbor 'white guilt' but I don't and I don't mind saying so.

This isn't about guilt. It's about awareness. Awareness of yourself and others, particularly your mind and the mind of others because ultimately it's all about the mind.

 

[SamAndreas]

Can you name a place on the earth where slavery was not present and did not 'construct' building, drainage systems, agricultural infrastructure?

If not for slavery, would American just be sitting around in mud huts because there was no slave labor? What about the areas of the country that were settled and established after the abolishment of slavery?

I don't think you will find anyone that thinks slavery is a good thing, besides those locations that still have slavery in 2022. How long is our penitence? This society tore itself apart and waged a war to end slavery but we must still (we being only white people) must view ourselves as morally insufficient and that I don't buy into that at all. You obviously do and harbor 'white guilt' but I don't and I don't mind saying so.

Yeah, I can name such a place. The Anasazi of the four corners area. They started out with mud huts, but they advanced far from that. What they built without slavery was as good as what the Europeans managed during their chivalrous slave holding past at about the same time.

I've seen irrigation water flowing through irrigation ditches and control gates that were set in place 800 to 900 years ago. Where I grew up the current population of the area is just a fraction of the population it was centuries before. We couldn't take a step without stepping on the ruins of another prior civilization's existence.

 

[Optimus Prime]

I'm sure the vagueness of 'divisive concepts' is going to cause issues
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.............On Saturday, after taking the oath of office, Youngkin unveiled a list of nine executive orders and two executive directives, with the first on the list described as a directive to “restore excellence in education by ending the use of divisive concepts, including Critical Race Theory, in public education”.

The order lists 13 instructions, many directed to the state’s school superintendent, who has been tasked with reviewing the state’s curriculum and policies within the department of education, to identify “inherently divisive concepts”.

The order also bans an executive employee from “directing or otherwise compelling students to personally affirm, adopt, or adhere to inherently divisive concepts”.

The order does not define “divisive concepts” but cites critical race theory as an example.............

Glenn Youngkin bans critical race theory on day one as Virginia governor

 

[BullSheetBuddha]

I'm sure the vagueness of 'divisive concepts' is going to cause issues
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.............On Saturday, after taking the oath of office, Youngkin unveiled a list of nine executive orders and two executive directives, with the first on the list described as a directive to “restore excellence in education by ending the use of divisive concepts, including Critical Race Theory, in public education”.

The order lists 13 instructions, many directed to the state’s school superintendent, who has been tasked with reviewing the state’s curriculum and policies within the department of education, to identify “inherently divisive concepts”.

The order also bans an executive employee from “directing or otherwise compelling students to personally affirm, adopt, or adhere to inherently divisive concepts”.

The order does not define “divisive concepts” but cites critical race theory as an example.............

Glenn Youngkin bans critical race theory on day one as Virginia governor

A perfect example of critical race theory.

 

[Farb]

Yeah, I can name such a place. The Anasazi of the four corners area. They started out with mud huts, but they advanced far from that. What they built without slavery was as good as what the Europeans managed during their chivalrous slave holding past at about the same time.

I've seen irrigation water flowing through irrigation ditches and control gates that were set in place 800 to 900 years ago. Where I grew up the current population of the area is just a fraction of the population it was centuries before. We couldn't take a step without stepping on the ruins of another prior civilization's existence.

Looks thriving and successful.