Critical race theory (15 Viewers)

[DaveXA]

Frankly, I'm completely ignorant when it comes to the Critical Race Theory curriculum. What is it, where does it come from, and is it legitimate? Has anyone here read it and maybe give a quick summary?

If this has been covered in another thread, then I missed it.

 

[Lapaz]

Why would the real estate be undesirable?

I think you are smart enough to answer this question, but I'll bite with a few examples. There are many reasons from poverty, to climate, to distance from resources, to dangerous, etc. Highways take the least expensive paths that are reasonably going to achieve the goal of connecting whatever they are attempting to connect or to relieve some traffic congestion. Industries build where it makes economic sense. Sometimes those areas are later populated, and if the industry creates something undesirable, then that also makes the real estate undesirable, and therefore cheaper.

 

[SystemShock]

I think you are smart enough to answer this question, but I'll bite with a few examples. There are many reasons from poverty, to climate, to distance from resources, to dangerous, etc. Highways take the least expensive paths that are reasonably going to achieve the goal of connecting whatever they are attempting to connect or to relieve some traffic congestion. Industries build where it makes economic sense. Sometimes those areas are later populated, and if the industry creates something undesirable, then that also makes the real estate undesirable, and therefore cheaper.

How about red lining?

 

[MT15]

I think you are smart enough to answer this question, but I'll bite with a few examples. There are many reasons from poverty, to climate, to distance from resources, to dangerous, etc. Highways take the least expensive paths that are reasonably going to achieve the goal of connecting whatever they are attempting to connect or to relieve some traffic congestion. Industries build where it makes economic sense. Sometimes those areas are later populated, and if the industry creates something undesirable, then that also makes the real estate undesirable, and therefore cheaper.

Those areas were decidedly NOT later populated. Read about what happened. They chose black neighborhoods for the highways deliberately. It’s hard to have a meaningful discussion with someone who hasn’t really learned about the subject.

Here is a start:

The Role of Highways in American Poverty

They seemed like such a good idea in the 1950s.

www.theatlantic.com

If it’s behind a paywall, it basically says that during the time that the interstate highway system was being built, there was starting to be an exodus to the suburbs, which vastly increased car ownership and then traffic issues. One group, however, wasn’t participating in the boom. Black Americans were denied a life in much of suburbia by redlining. They were also denied many opportunities for higher paying jobs by discrimination. They were forced to live in crowded urban areas by these discriminatory practices. Their neighborhoods came to be seen as undesirable, and were selected for highway locations deliberately. This had a devastating effect on black communities all over the country.

And the effects of this are still being felt today. The article explains how this has resulted in much worse poverty today than what they were targeting back then. The black neighborhoods that were destroyed were poor, but they were communities. They had active churches and family activities. And they were deliberately eliminated by highway construction.

The article goes on with some hopeful measures that some cities are taking to help heal these past injuries. But we cannot help our cities recover from the damage that was done to them without learning what was done and why. Denial that there were discriminatory practices during urban planning is not helpful.

 

[cuddlemonkey]

Those areas were decidedly NOT later populated. Read about what happened. They chose black neighborhoods for the highways deliberately. It’s hard to have a meaningful discussion with someone who hasn’t really learned about the subject.

Here is a start:

The Role of Highways in American Poverty

They seemed like such a good idea in the 1950s.

www.theatlantic.com

If it’s behind a paywall, it basically says that during the time that the interstate highway system was being built, there was starting to be an exodus to the suburbs, which vastly increased car ownership and then traffic issues. One group, however, wasn’t participating in the boom. Black Americans were denied a life in much of suburbia by redlining. They were also denied many opportunities for higher paying jobs by discrimination. They were forced to live in crowded urban areas by these discriminatory practices. Their neighborhoods came to be seen as undesirable, and were selected for highway locations deliberately. This had a devastating effect on black communities all over the country.

And the effects of this are still being felt today. The article explains how this has resulted in much worse poverty today than what they were targeting back then. The black neighborhoods that were destroyed were poor, but they were communities. They had active churches and family activities. And they were deliberately eliminated by highway construction.

The article goes on with some hopeful measures that some cities are taking to help heal these past injuries. But we cannot help our cities recover from the damage that was done to them without learning what was done and why. Denial that there were discriminatory practices during urban planning is not helpful.

Here's another one.

How A Black Neighborhood In New Orleans Fits Into Biden's Plan To Fix Urban Design Inequities

More than 50 years ago, an elevated extension of Interstate 10 was built to cut through Claiborne Avenue, a key business corridor for the city's Black community.

www.wbur.org

 

[insidejob]

Here's another one.

How A Black Neighborhood In New Orleans Fits Into Biden's Plan To Fix Urban Design Inequities

More than 50 years ago, an elevated extension of Interstate 10 was built to cut through Claiborne Avenue, a key business corridor for the city's Black community.

www.wbur.org

Hey, I think I may have mentioned that stretch of Claiborne as an example earlier in this thread. High five!

 

[cuddlemonkey]

Hey, I think I may have mentioned that stretch of Claiborne as an example earlier in this thread. High five!

 

[Optimus Prime]

There are a lot of kids who aren’t nearly as innocent and pure as their parents think they are

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What age is too young to hurl a racial slur?


My dad first heard one thrown at him in the first grade — by another first-grader. For my mom, it occurred in the fourth grade. Several years ago, I mentored a Black middle schooler who told me that, as a younger child, he had been called the n-word at summer camp.


Now, as a college counselor, I read essays by Black and brown high schoolers recounting the racial trauma they’ve experienced from painfully young ages: children as young as 6 years old, called “dirty” for having dark skin, socially ostracized for their complexion and told to chemically straighten their hair so they could look pretty.

These distressing rites of passage occurred in the most innocent of settings: school playgrounds.


So when I hear parents argue that their school-age children are “too young” to learn about race, I’m baffled.


That’s one of the arguments voiced by parents in a recent CBS News documentary, “The Trials of Critical Race Theory,” about the current fight over how and whether race and racism should be taught in schools.


“I don’t want them to see racism yet — to engage, to learn racism,” Robin Steenman, a member of Moms for Liberty — which fashions itself a “parental rights” group — says in the documentary. She adds: “We feel that’s too heavy for a second-grader.”
No one wants a child to suffer from exposure to racism.

But how can a second-grader be too young to learn about race when first-graders have called my students the n-word? If children are not too young to learn a hateful word and inflict it on a peer, they are certainly not too young to be taught about racism……..

https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2021/11/26/children-racial-slurs-teaching-about-racism/

 

[MT15]

IMO, that’s just a convenient ruse those parents are using. They just don’t want anything taught about racism, ever. That way they can continue pretending that racism no longer exists, like we see every day in this forum.

 

[MT15]

This is a good example of how national dark money groups are intending to change education in America for the worse. In this case it’s an organization called “Moms for Liberty” based in Florida. They are asking Tennessee to ban the following books:

“Specifically, Moms For Liberty objected to the inclusion several books, including "Martin Luther King, Jr. and the March on Washington," and "Ruby Bridges Goes to School," an autobiography of the first Black child to integrate a New Orleans school, adapted for young readers.”

"Moms For Liberty" says book about MLK violates new law banning CRT in Tennessee

In May, Tennessee passed a law banning Critical Race Theory in K-12 schools.

popular.info

“Moms For Liberty claims that the inclusion of these books "reveals a heavily biased agenda, one that makes children hate their country, each other, and/or themselves." With regards to the Martin Luther King Jr. book specifically, Moms For Liberty cites two issues:

Pages 22-23 shows photographs of white firemen blasting black children to the point of "bruising their bodies and ripping off their clothes."
Pages 18-19 show photographs of white and colored drinking fountains, asking "Which of these fountains looks nicer to you."

The group also objected to the teacher’s manual accompanying the book because it had a negative depiction of Bull Connor, the notorious racist who used hoses and attack dogs to enforce segregation.”

also:

“We know which history books Moms For Liberty doesn't like. But how should people learn about history? The Moms For Liberty website recommends The Making of America, a 1985 text by W. Cleon Skousen, who died in 2006. Skousen was a supporter of The John Birch Society, a far-right organization that opposed the civil rights movement. He was also a conspiracy theorist, and once "accused the Council on Foreign Relations and the Rockefellers of puppeteering the election of Jimmy Carter to pave the way for One World Government."

Skousen's book characterizes "black children as 'pickaninnies' and American slave owners as the 'worst victims' of slavery." The book claims that the Founders wished to free the slaves but "[m]ost of [the slaves] were woefully unprepared for a life of competitive independence." Skousen asserts that abolitionists "did much to perpetuate slavery" by taking a "too militant" approach.

There is a section of the book titled "Three Fifths Compromise Not Demeaning To Slaves."”

 

[SystemShock]

This is a good example of how national dark money groups are intending to change education in America for the worse. In this case it’s an organization called “Moms for Liberty” based in Florida. They are asking Tennessee to ban the following books:

“Specifically, Moms For Liberty objected to the inclusion several books, including "Martin Luther King, Jr. and the March on Washington," and "Ruby Bridges Goes to School," an autobiography of the first Black child to integrate a New Orleans school, adapted for young readers.”

"Moms For Liberty" says book about MLK violates new law banning CRT in Tennessee

In May, Tennessee passed a law banning Critical Race Theory in K-12 schools.

popular.info

“Moms For Liberty claims that the inclusion of these books "reveals a heavily biased agenda, one that makes children hate their country, each other, and/or themselves." With regards to the Martin Luther King Jr. book specifically, Moms For Liberty cites two issues:


The group also objected to the teacher’s manual accompanying the book because it had a negative depiction of Bull Connor, the notorious racist who used hoses and attack dogs to enforce segregation.”

also:

“We know which history books Moms For Liberty doesn't like. But how should people learn about history? The Moms For Liberty website recommends The Making of America, a 1985 text by W. Cleon Skousen, who died in 2006. Skousen was a supporter of The John Birch Society, a far-right organization that opposed the civil rights movement. He was also a conspiracy theorist, and once "accused the Council on Foreign Relations and the Rockefellers of puppeteering the election of Jimmy Carter to pave the way for One World Government."

Skousen's book characterizes "black children as 'pickaninnies' and American slave owners as the 'worst victims' of slavery." The book claims that the Founders wished to free the slaves but "[m]ost of [the slaves] were woefully unprepared for a life of competitive independence." Skousen asserts that abolitionists "did much to perpetuate slavery" by taking a "too militant" approach.

There is a section of the book titled "Three Fifths Compromise Not Demeaning To Slaves."”

I'm almost expecting Alan Font to come out from behind the curtain... but I know better than that. These people are like cartoons... you'd want to believe that there is no possible way they listen to themselves talk and believe the BS coming out of their mouths. Sometimes I wonder if they do it just to piss people off...

 

[Optimus Prime]

This is a good example of how national dark money groups are intending to change education in America for the worse. In this case it’s an organization called “Moms for Liberty” based in Florida. They are asking Tennessee to ban the following books:

“Specifically, Moms For Liberty objected to the inclusion several books, including "Martin Luther King, Jr. and the March on Washington," and "Ruby Bridges Goes to School," an autobiography of the first Black child to integrate a New Orleans school, adapted for young readers.”

"Moms For Liberty" says book about MLK violates new law banning CRT in Tennessee

In May, Tennessee passed a law banning Critical Race Theory in K-12 schools.

popular.info

“Moms For Liberty claims that the inclusion of these books "reveals a heavily biased agenda, one that makes children hate their country, each other, and/or themselves." With regards to the Martin Luther King Jr. book specifically, Moms For Liberty cites two issues:


The group also objected to the teacher’s manual accompanying the book because it had a negative depiction of Bull Connor, the notorious racist who used hoses and attack dogs to enforce segregation.”

also:

“We know which history books Moms For Liberty doesn't like. But how should people learn about history? The Moms For Liberty website recommends The Making of America, a 1985 text by W. Cleon Skousen, who died in 2006. Skousen was a supporter of The John Birch Society, a far-right organization that opposed the civil rights movement. He was also a conspiracy theorist, and once "accused the Council on Foreign Relations and the Rockefellers of puppeteering the election of Jimmy Carter to pave the way for One World Government."

Skousen's book characterizes "black children as 'pickaninnies' and American slave owners as the 'worst victims' of slavery." The book claims that the Founders wished to free the slaves but "[m]ost of [the slaves] were woefully unprepared for a life of competitive independence." Skousen asserts that abolitionists "did much to perpetuate slavery" by taking a "too militant" approach.

There is a section of the book titled "Three Fifths Compromise Not Demeaning To Slaves."”

Why do these kind of groups always have names using Liberty, Freedom, Justice, Patriots etc?

 

[brandon]

Skousen asserts that abolitionists "did much to perpetuate slavery" by taking a "too militant" approach.

Sounds shockingly familiar to the arguments on this forum about the perpetuation of racism.

 

[MT15]

Yes, for sure they all have their “talking points” down pat. Even denying that racism still impacts POC to this day.

 

[Farb]

https://www.dailywire.com/news/detr...rse-were-teaching-critical-theory-to-students

"But now, highlighted by The Manhattan Institute’s Chris Rufo, the Detroit public school district Superintendent Nikolai Vitti is openly embracing Critical Race Theory and boasting how it is deeply embedded through all facets of education in the Motor City.

At a recent board meeting, Vitti stated: “Our curriculum is deeply using critical race theory, especially in social studies, but you’ll find it in English language arts and the other disciplines. We were very intentional about creating a curriculum, infusing materials and, embedding critical race theory within our curriculum.”"

This was about him discussing how 2 bills would effect his district that would withhold certain funding if the schools taught CRT.:

"The comments actually came earlier in the year in response to anti-Critical Race Theory legislation in Michigan, according to local Michigan media outlet Chalkbeat Detroit.

According to Chalkbeat Detroit, there are two bills — House Bill 5097 and Senate Bill 460 — currently working their way through Michigan’s state government that would ban teaching certain elements of Critical Race Theory"

Video of the meeting in embedded in the article.
Some educators are saying CRT is not taught and then others say it is. Then you have a superintendent saying not only is it taught, it has been purposely embedded into any classes they can be so if you pass these bills, our district will be cut off from funds. He then right on que says......you guess it: "its racist".

 

[samiam5211]

https://www.dailywire.com/news/detr...rse-were-teaching-critical-theory-to-students

"But now, highlighted by The Manhattan Institute’s Chris Rufo, the Detroit public school district Superintendent Nikolai Vitti is openly embracing Critical Race Theory and boasting how it is deeply embedded through all facets of education in the Motor City.

At a recent board meeting, Vitti stated: “Our curriculum is deeply using critical race theory, especially in social studies, but you’ll find it in English language arts and the other disciplines. We were very intentional about creating a curriculum, infusing materials and, embedding critical race theory within our curriculum.”"

This was about him discussing how 2 bills would effect his district that would withhold certain funding if the schools taught CRT.:

"The comments actually came earlier in the year in response to anti-Critical Race Theory legislation in Michigan, according to local Michigan media outlet Chalkbeat Detroit.

According to Chalkbeat Detroit, there are two bills — House Bill 5097 and Senate Bill 460 — currently working their way through Michigan’s state government that would ban teaching certain elements of Critical Race Theory"

Video of the meeting in embedded in the article.
Some educators are saying CRT is not taught and then others say it is. Then you have a superintendent saying not only is it taught, it has been purposely embedded into any classes they can be so if you pass these bills, our district will be cut off from funds. He then right on que says......you guess it: "its racist".

Thankfully, the Republicans have shifted the debate from "Is it being taught" to "Should it be taught".

This will end up backfiring and CRT will be standard in schools in 10 years. Thanks Trump.

You guys should stop complaining about it because you're going to make more of it. That should sound familiar.

 

[Farb]

Thankfully, the Republicans have shifted the debate from "Is it being taught" to "Should it be taught".

This will end up backfiring and CRT will be standard in schools in 10 years. Thanks Trump.

You guys should stop complaining about it because you're going to make more of it. That should sound familiar.

Both parties have flopped on this. The dems first denied it even existed. Then it was only taught in law school then only taught in college and not taught at all. Now it is taught and it is good? Sure.

Also not seeing any Reps asking should it be taught. If you find one, I am willing to be he will not be reelected.

If CRT is accepted in public schools then you will not have a public school system, which that would be totally worth it! I am all for it

 

[samiam5211]

Both parties have flopped on this. The dems first denied it even existed. Then it was only taught in law school then only taught in college and not taught at all. Now it is taught and it is good? Sure.

Also not seeing any Reps asking should it be taught. If you find one, I am willing to be he will not be reelected.

If CRT is accepted in public schools then you will not have a public school system, which that would be totally worth it! I am all for it

You don't have any idea what CRT is. At least if it is taught in schools, your grandchildren will understand what they are against.

 

[MT15]

I wouldn’t trust anything put out by the Daily Wire. They have misrepresented stories and edited videos in a deceptive manner. Farb, you must really love your outrage porn, lol.

They are not teaching actual CRT in a primary or secondary school; now whether the superintendent is just giving in to the dishonest use of the term and using it in the same incorrect manner that you and your sources use it, I don’t know. Maybe he has decided to troll you guys, who knows?