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    If everything suddenly want electric over night in this country, then oil would still be needed. Very few other countries can go electric and rely on oil. Even the machines that generate the electric rely on oil. Most everything we use has petrol in it.

    Yes, I literally said that several posts ago.
     
    I believe that most Americans, if given the choice, and all things being equal, would choose electric over gasoline. We just have to get to the “all things being equal” point. We are moving in that direction. Honestly, electric moves us in a direction where we are more energy independent. Why wouldn’t we want it?

    I also believe the traction of electric cars is enhanced by the high gas prices. I think the desire for more electric cars has been increased.
    I think atm more Americans would prefer an EV over a gas vehicle, but that’s at the moment. Prior to this spike Americans preferred their gas guzzlers more than EVs to the tune of 2 out of 3.





    And why not? An EV will get you 230 miles on a fully charged battery? That’s fine for your day to day 30-60 mile round trip drive, but for a cross country drive (which more folks will be doing since airline prices are sky high), the gas vehicle is the way to go.

    The price for a used EV is also higher than a standard gas vehicle. Even over a 3 year period the gas vehicle is cheaper than the EV.


    In time, when prices drop, and batteries can get more millage, perhaps it will make sense to buy an EV over a traditional gas vehicle, but with money being tight, now is not that time.
     
    I read something the other day that I did not know - maybe true, even, lol. Someone wrote that Jimmy Carter had worked hard on an alternative energy plan, and if elected to a second term we would now be in a much better place as far as dependence on fossil fuels.
    I don’t know if that’s true or not (given the runaway inflation taking place during his term), but Jimmy Carter is a nice guy.
     
    I think atm more Americans would prefer an EV over a gas vehicle, but that’s at the moment. Prior to this spike Americans preferred their gas guzzlers more than EVs to the tune of 2 out of 3.





    And why not? An EV will get you 230 miles on a fully charged battery? That’s fine for your day to day 30-60 mile round trip drive, but for a cross country drive (which more folks will be doing since airline prices are sky high), the gas vehicle is the way to go.

    The price for a used EV is also higher than a standard gas vehicle. Even over a 3 year period the gas vehicle is cheaper than the EV.


    In time, when prices drop, and batteries can get more millage, perhaps it will make sense to buy an EV over a traditional gas vehicle, but with money being tight, now is not that time.
    350 mile range and 20 minutes to recharge/swap batteries.
    Give us that and there's just no reason to own an IC vehicle anymore.
    Until it happens though, EVs will continue to mostly be 2nd cars.
    I'm all for them, but I can understand why they haven't entirely taken over.
     
    You are lecturing on being 'team gasoline' (not even sure what the heck that means) but I guess that means you are 'team electric'? You also say I am being political because I don't swap sides to be 'team green or whatever' so essentially, I am an idiot for not agreeing with your 'neutral' stance. So neutral in fact that you lecture how evil 'team gasoline' is by trying to raise to gas prices. Earlier you accused me of trying to make this 'political' as you just brought up what orange man did during the pandemic as part of 'team gasoline' that doesn't give a poop about me. Does that sound all enlightened and political neutral? Nice try.

    Do you deny that the Biden administration is actively trying to stop oil companies access to the free market lending of private banks? Is that not political? For someone who so desperately wants their team to not be blamed for the rising fuel prices, you have an odd way of pretending you are neutral just stating facts.

    I am stupid for wanting gas prices to be lowered and I am willing to subject the entire country to economic volatility when the simple and plain fact is that your team is the one that has subjected the entire country to volatility due to you genuflecting at the alter of the Green New Deal.

    of course demand is up for electric, as per design by the administration and the Dems and Reps in office. To act like this is not political is desperate and just stupid to be honest.

    https://finance.yahoo.com/news/api-urges-biden-restore-us-120000974.html

    1. Lift Development Restrictions on Federal Lands and Waters

    The Department of the Interior (DOI) should swiftly issue a 5-year program for the Outer Continental Shelf and hold mandated quarterly onshore lease sales with equitable terms. DOI should reinstate canceled sales and valid leases on federal lands and waters.

    2. Designate Critical Energy Infrastructure Projects

    Congress should authorize critical energy infrastructure projects to support the production, processing and delivery of energy. These projects would be of such concern to the national interest that they would be entitled to undergo a streamlined review and permitting process not to exceed one year.

    3. Fix the NEPA Permitting Process

    The Biden administration should revise the National Environmental Policy Act (NEPA) process by establishing agency uniformity in reviews, limiting reviews to two years, and reducing bureaucratic burdens placed on project proponents in terms of size and scope of application submissions.

    4. Accelerate LNG Exports and Approve Pending LNG Applications

    Congress should amend the Natural Gas Act to streamline the Department of Energy (DOE) to a single approval process for all U.S. LNG projects. DOE should approve pending LNG applications to enable the U.S. to deliver reliable energy to our allies abroad.

    5. Unlock Investment and Access to Capital

    The Securities and Exchange Commission should reconsider its overly burdensome and ineffective climate disclosure proposal and the Biden administration should ensure open capital markets where access is based upon individual company merit free from artificial constraints based on government-preferred investment allocations.

    6. Dismantle Supply Chain Bottlenecks

    President Biden should rescind steel tariffs that remain on imports from U.S. allies as steel is a critical component of energy production, transportation, and refining. The Biden administration should accelerate efforts to relieve port congestion so that equipment necessary for energy development can be delivered and installed.

    7. Advance Lower Carbon Energy Tax Provisions

    Congress should expand and extend Section 45Q tax credits for carbon capture, utilization, and storage development and create a new tax credit for hydrogen produced from all sources.

    8. Protect Competition in the Use of Refining Technologies

    The Biden administration should ensure that future federal agency rulemakings continue to allow U.S. refineries to use the existing critical process technologies to produce the fuels needed for global energy markets.

    9. End Permitting Obstruction on Natural Gas Projects

    The Federal Energy Regulatory Commission should cease efforts to overstep its permitting authority under the Natural Gas Act and should adhere to traditional considerations of public needs as well as focus on direct impacts arising from the construction and operation of natural gas projects.

    10. Advance the Energy Workforce of the Future

    Congress and the Biden administration should support the training and education of a diverse workforce through increased funding of work-based learning and advancement of STEM programs to nurture the skills necessary to construct and operate oil, natural gas and other energy infrastructure.
    You list these like they're bad things.

    Is that your intent?
    'Cause #2 is crucial no matter which team holds power.
     
    @el caliente

    My EV get 315 miles- not 230.

    Ford just invested $12B in new facilities exclusively for EVs. So I would say industry people think the time for them is now.

    Your car and driver article is from
    2020.

    That study about 2/3’s not wanting one is for the world so let’s just say it’s a bit skewed. A tiny fraction of Pakistani’s (15%) want them but 59% of Germans (from your article) say they would) be buying EVs next.

    We closer to Pakistan or Germany in your opinion?
     
    @el caliente

    My EV get 315 miles- not 230.

    Ford just invested $12B in new facilities exclusively for EVs. So I would say industry people think the time for them is now.

    Your car and driver article is from
    2020.

    That study about 2/3’s not wanting one is for the world so let’s just say it’s a bit skewed. A tiny fraction of Pakistani’s (15%) want them but 59% of Germans (from your article) say they would) be buying EVs next.

    We closer to Pakistan or Germany in your opinion?
    The 250 comes from a UC Davis study


    A more recent study shows that the Tesla S can get 405 miles while the average EV gets 202 miles per charge.


    All I am saying is that it will take a decrease in purchase price, and batteries to give more miles per charge before EVs take off more.
     
    350 mile range and 20 minutes to recharge/swap batteries.
    Give us that and there's just no reason to own an IC vehicle anymore.
    Until it happens though, EVs will continue to mostly be 2nd cars.
    I'm all for them, but I can understand why they haven't entirely taken over.
    I’m not opposed to purchasing one myself. I drive into work every day, and that’s 56 miles round trip each day. Right now I would kill to have an electric vehicle, however looking at both the new and used markets, so would everyone else. Supply is low, demand is high (enough), and the prices reflect as much.

    Until we can move the price down, it’s just not feasible. That might be sooner rather than later if we can get gas prices under control (leading to fewer people demanding EVs).
     
    The oil took it on the chin throughout the Trump administration. 100's of billions were lost by oil and service companies during wave after wave of bankruptcies. Major consolidations took place where now the same investment groups own all the service companies and they are looking to recoup their money since oil crashed at the end of the Obama administration. Oil companies had the chance when prices for drilling were dirt cheap during the Trump years to invest in new projects. Didn't happen.
     
    Lol. Yes. You are team gasoline. You have been informed why gas prices are so high, but you want to ignore it so you can play the blame game. You want lower prices? Get the oil industry to build more gas plants. Good luck with that. It is a money loser for them. They have an obligation to their stockholders to maximize profits. I guess you want them to lose money.

    Biden could do all you say, but the oil industry still wouldn’t take the huge risk of losing their butts to build at least 5 new gasoline plants (which is the minimum needed to get us back to where we were) Heck, they haven’t built one since 1977. What on Earth makes you think that will change now? They weren’t building extra plants under Reagan, Bush, Bush 2, or Trump. Now they are suddenly going to start. They just won’t do it. It is the smart business plan not to.

    Again, you WANT this to be Biden’s fault. That is where your position started from. I don’t care. If he was to blame, I would place the blame there. You don’t see me blaming the oil industry like some have. I understand they have to make business decisions based on future market projections. This isn’t anyone’s fault. Technology advances. Electric cars become more viable. Gas becomes more obsolete. Industries adapt to changing conditions or they die. This is just some basic economic stuff you just refuse to grasp.
    When do you think the tech will be there for planes, trains to become electric? You think Africa is close to going green? Where is the electric coming from?

    I do blame this administration. I blame the Dems for the 'green new deal' and their energy czar flying around and trying to stop banks from lending to the oil industry to implement new tech that will help them offset the lack of refineries that you use as your benchmark. Oil is not going anywhere despite the pipedreams :))) of the left. All they are doing, is intentionally hurting the American people in order to usher in a green new deal that none of voted on and could possibly cripple our economy, besides all the politicians that are invested in green tech. I get it, you trust them, I don't know why, but you do. I don't. At all.
    I am team 'gas' and I oppose team 'green'. I also approve this message.
     
    You list these like they're bad things.

    Is that your intent?
    'Cause #2 is crucial no matter which team holds power.
    I didn't list those, those are from the oil industries open letter to biden, that I linked. I just posted the 10 keys.
     
    In addition to what UJT said, The power GRID failed in Texas, not the suppliers.

    You still have to have live wires to run power on. They got iced over and failed.

    Noboday has an emergency grid but since Texas’ is wholly owned privately the suppliers were in no hurry to fix the grid, as they have already sold that power to Texans.

    In the end the taxpayers had to pay for it twice. They got to pay for the emergency work through emergency government funding And the increase in their bill to offset the cost.

    Because they only care about profit and are not a public service, they do not care about the public’s interest. If Texas would have owned the power lines they would have been fixed days faster.

    It isn’t that business can’t handle the problems of society. It’s that society isnt a revenue generator - literally the opposite. Services will never come first, and as long as any org is required to generate revenue they will have a sales group. Sales need to be generated and profits driven. Even in not for profits. When this is the case, care and services suffer. Period.
     
    On a similarly hilarious note, when Odessa, Texas, ran out of water recently, the right-wing/MAGA talking point ignored the obvious failings of Greg Abbot and instead blamed the U.S. spending in Ukraine -- the bots and plebs were out in force parroting something like 'Why do we send money overseas when our states need help?' Never mind this is antithetical to the MAGA concept of 'why should the federal government be involved in state matters?'
     

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