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    Excellent article I thought deserved its own thread
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    On the surface, it would appear that book censors and censored authors like myself can agree on one thing: Books are powerful.

    Particularly books for children and teens.

    Why else would people like me spend so much time and energy writing them?

    Why else would censors spend so much time and energy trying to keep them out of kids’ hands?

    In a country where the average adult is reading fewer and fewer books, it’s a surprise to find Americans arguing so much about them.

    In this election year, parents and politicians — so many politicians — are jumping into the fray to say how powerful books can be.

    Granted, politicians often make what I do sound like witchcraft, but I take this as a compliment.

    I’ll admit, one of my first thoughts about the current wildfire of attempted censorship was: How quaint.

    Conservatives seemed to be dusting off their playbook from 1958, when the only way our stories could get to kids was through schools and libraries.

    While both are still crucial sanctuaries for readers, they’re hardly the only options. Plenty of booksellers supply titles that are taken off school shelves.

    And words can be very widely shared free of charge on social media and the rest of the internet. If you take my book off a shelf, you keep it away from that shelf, but you hardly keep it away from readers.

    As censorship wars have raged in so many communities, damaging the lives of countless teachers, librarians, parents and children, it’s begun to feel less and less quaint.

    This is not your father’s book censorship…..

    Here’s something I never thought I’d be nostalgic for: sincere censors. When my first novel, “Boy Meets Boy,” was published in 2003, it was immediately the subject of many challenges, some of which kept the book from ever getting on a shelf in the first place.

    At the time, a challenge usually meant one parent trying to get a book pulled from a school or a library, going through a formal process.

    I often reminded myself to try to find some sympathy for these parents; yes, they were wrong, and their desire to control what other people in the community got to read was wrong — but more often than not, the challenge was coming from fear of a changing world, a genuine (if incorrect) belief that being gay would lead kids straight to ruination and hell, and/or the misbegotten notion that if all the books that challenged the (homophobic, racist) status quo went away, then the status quo would remain intact.

    It was, in some ways, as personal to them as it was to those of us on the other side of the challenge.

    And nine times out of 10, the book would remain on the shelf.

    It’s not like that now. What I’ve come to believe, as I’ve talked to authors and librarians and teachers, is that attacks are less and less about the actual books.

    We’re being used as targets in a much larger proxy war.

    The goal of that war isn’t just to curtail intellectual freedom but to eviscerate the public education system in this country.

    Censors are scorching the earth, without care for how many kids get burned.

    Racism and homophobia are still very much present, but it’s also a power grab, a money grab. The goal for many is a for-profit, more authoritarian and much less diverse culture, one in which truth is whatever you’re told it is, your identity is determined by its acceptability and the past is a lie that the future is forced to emulate.

    The politicians who holler and post and draw up their lists of “harmful” books aren’t actually scared of our books.

    They are using our books to scare people.

     
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    It has very little to do with actually protecting children and much more to do with American's (especially christians and politicians) puritanical obsession with moralizing to others and dictating how they must live their lives.
    yep and if you checked you would find a lot of these people are about as moral as Rudy.
     
    During a Senate committee hearing about the wave of book ban attempts across the US in recent years, Republican US Senator John Kennedy of Louisiana took aim at two books that are among the most challenged in his state by delivering a sexually explicit reading that is now entered into the congressional record.

    He recited two explicit excerpts from George M Johnson’s All Boys Aren’t Blue and Maia Kobabe’s Gender Queer, among the most challenged books in the US, which is facing a surge of attempts to restrict or ban books and materials in schools and libraries.

    The American Library Association and free expression advocacy group PEN America have tracked hundreds of attempts among right-wing activist groups to remove books – most of which deal with race and racism or contain LGBT+ characters or themes – including nearly 200 attempts in Louisiana’s St Tammany Parish alone.

    Neither of the LGBT+ memoirs All Boys Aren’t Blue and Gender Queer are shelved in children’s sections in parish libraries. That didn’t stop Mr Kennedy from reading explicit passages about strap-ons, dildos and blowjobs in front of the Senate Judiciary committee on 12 September before accusing librarians of making those books “available to kids”…….

    Those book challenges mark a nearly 30 per cent spike from book ban attempts over the previous year. Challenges were most prevalent in Florida, Missouri, Texas and Utah, the group found.

    PEN has described the measures collectively as part of a “concerted campaign” taking place across the country “to ban books and instructional materials containing ‘objectionable’ content” which often amounts to “little more than an acknowledgment” of LGBT+ people “or the existence of racism or sexism.”

    That campaign has not only targeted book titles but also the institutions and professionals that distribute them: libraries, librarians and teachers.

    More than 100 bills in state legislatures in more than half of US states over the last year have threatened to cut library budgets, regulate the books and materials in their collections, implement book rating systems, and amend obscenity definitions that preempt First Amendment protections, according to a database from EveryLibrary……

    Those efforts have largely singled out books like Gender Queer and All Boys Aren’t Blue, described by The New York Times as an “exuberant, unapologetic memoir infused with a deep but clear-eyed love for its subjects” in the author’s description of growing up as a queer Black person.

    “Students … have publicly said on record that works like mine have saved their lives, works like mine have helped them name their abusers, works like mine have helped them come to terms with who they are and feel validated in the fact that there is somebody else that exists in the world like them,” Johnson told NPR last year.……




     
    Well, we generally don’t consider anything you say as being useful. As for emotional appeal? Republicans have cornered the market on that.

    But perhaps you don’t understand that librarians as well as teachers actually understand “age appropriateness” and you simply prefer to bleat out emotional responses.
    Ok, so you won't answer the question. Maybe this will help:

    https://www.foxnews.com/media/sen-k...-excerpts-lgbtq-kids-books-hearing-disturbing

    He read, "’I put some lube on and got him on his knees, and I began to slide into him from behind. I pulled out of him and kissed him while he masturbated. He asked me to turn over while he slipped a condom on himself. This was my a—and I was struggling to imagine someone inside me. He got on top and slowly inserted himself into me. It was the worst pain I think I have ever felt in my life. Eventually, I felt a mix of pleasure with the pain.’"

    Kennedy then read from "Gender Queer": "’I got a new strap-on harness today. I can’t wait to put it on you. It will fit my favorite dildo perfectly. You will look so hot. I can’t wait to have your c--- in my mouth. I’m going to give you the b------ of your life, then I want you inside of me.’"


    I recommend watching the video. Something about a old dude reading that stuff in congress that is pretty funny.

    So, with quotes taken from objectionable books, do you think that is appropriate for a 7th grader, or in a library that a even younger child might stumble across it?

    So, again, do you not think there is a thing such as age appropriate material?
     
    Well, we generally don’t consider anything you say as being useful. As for emotional appeal? Republicans have cornered the market on that.

    But perhaps you don’t understand that librarians as well as teachers actually understand “age appropriateness” and you simply prefer to bleat out emotional responses.
    Oh, and who is 'we'?

    Also, I do love the 'trust the experts' troll at the end, well done comrade.
     
    Ok, so you won't answer the question. Maybe this will help:

    https://www.foxnews.com/media/sen-k...-excerpts-lgbtq-kids-books-hearing-disturbing

    He read, "’I put some lube on and got him on his knees, and I began to slide into him from behind. I pulled out of him and kissed him while he masturbated. He asked me to turn over while he slipped a condom on himself. This was my a—and I was struggling to imagine someone inside me. He got on top and slowly inserted himself into me. It was the worst pain I think I have ever felt in my life. Eventually, I felt a mix of pleasure with the pain.’"

    Kennedy then read from "Gender Queer": "’I got a new strap-on harness today. I can’t wait to put it on you. It will fit my favorite dildo perfectly. You will look so hot. I can’t wait to have your c--- in my mouth. I’m going to give you the b------ of your life, then I want you inside of me.’"


    I recommend watching the video. Something about a old dude reading that stuff in congress that is pretty funny.

    So, with quotes taken from objectionable books, do you think that is appropriate for a 7th grader, or in a library that a even younger child might stumble across it?

    So, again, do you not think there is a thing such as age appropriate material?

    I think it's more appropriate for certain high schoolers and above. It's rated for 15+ years. Neither of those books would be required reading, but for kids struggling with their sexuality at that age, it could be a type of life saving resources. As I understand it (I've never read either of the books), but they are memoirs and deal with topics like abuse and sexual experiences. That type of information can help kids that age recognize abusers and protect themselves. For LGBTQ+ kids, unless you have supportive surroundings, it's a very treacherous journey through young adulthood.
     
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    During a Senate committee hearing about the wave of book ban attempts across the US in recent years, Republican US Senator John Kennedy of Louisiana took aim at two books that are among the most challenged in his state by delivering a sexually explicit reading that is now entered into the congressional record.

    He recited two explicit excerpts from George M Johnson’s All Boys Aren’t Blue and Maia Kobabe’s Gender Queer, among the most challenged books in the US, which is facing a surge of attempts to restrict or ban books and materials in schools and libraries.

    The American Library Association and free expression advocacy group PEN America have tracked hundreds of attempts among right-wing activist groups to remove books – most of which deal with race and racism or contain LGBT+ characters or themes – including nearly 200 attempts in Louisiana’s St Tammany Parish alone.

    Neither of the LGBT+ memoirs All Boys Aren’t Blue and Gender Queer are shelved in children’s sections in parish libraries. That didn’t stop Mr Kennedy from reading explicit passages about strap-ons, dildos and blowjobs in front of the Senate Judiciary committee on 12 September before accusing librarians of making those books “available to kids”…….

    Those book challenges mark a nearly 30 per cent spike from book ban attempts over the previous year. Challenges were most prevalent in Florida, Missouri, Texas and Utah, the group found.

    PEN has described the measures collectively as part of a “concerted campaign” taking place across the country “to ban books and instructional materials containing ‘objectionable’ content” which often amounts to “little more than an acknowledgment” of LGBT+ people “or the existence of racism or sexism.”

    That campaign has not only targeted book titles but also the institutions and professionals that distribute them: libraries, librarians and teachers.

    More than 100 bills in state legislatures in more than half of US states over the last year have threatened to cut library budgets, regulate the books and materials in their collections, implement book rating systems, and amend obscenity definitions that preempt First Amendment protections, according to a database from EveryLibrary……

    Those efforts have largely singled out books like Gender Queer and All Boys Aren’t Blue, described by The New York Times as an “exuberant, unapologetic memoir infused with a deep but clear-eyed love for its subjects” in the author’s description of growing up as a queer Black person.

    “Students … have publicly said on record that works like mine have saved their lives, works like mine have helped them name their abusers, works like mine have helped them come to terms with who they are and feel validated in the fact that there is somebody else that exists in the world like them,” Johnson told NPR last year.……




    Why does anyone think these kind of books should be in school libraries? This is disgusting
     
    Anything written buy any Republican on this board or anywhere else about “saving the kids” is worthless. As long as guns can be easily obtained and used to kill kids, as long as Black parents have to have “the talk” with their kids about coming into contact with law enforcement and as long as programs created to help kids are cut any mouth noises from Republicans about concern for children is, of necessity, bullschlitz.

     
    Did you find that appropriate material for 7th graders?
    Where was this book put into middle school libraries? Please be specific.

    Also please explain how you think that parent’s shouldn’t have say over what their kids can read? Why should it be you who decides?
     
    Sen. Mike Lee (R-Utah) picked an unusual foil during a Judiciary Committee hearing last week about the historic rise in challenges to school books.


    When it was his turn to question witnesses, he called up a video of Deborah Caldwell-Stone, director of the American Library Association’s Office for Intellectual Freedom.

    In a Zoom call, Caldwell-Stone had been recorded arguing that book advocates should “reframe” the book challenges. This debate should not center on whether titles are sexually inappropriate for minors, Caldwell-Stone said. It should be about “diverse materials ... that are about ... everybody’s right to see themselves and their families reflected” on bookshelves.


    Lee let the recording play out, then pounced. “What we saw here was someone saying the quiet part out loud,” he said. “The goal is to sexualize children — to provide minors with sexually explicit material ... and then hide this content from the parents.”

    The American Library Association is facing a partisan firefight unlike anything in its almost 150-year history. The once-uncontroversial organization, which says it is the world’s largest and oldest library association and which provides funding, training and tools to most of the country’s 123,000 libraries, has become entangled in the education culture wars — the raging debates over what and how to teach about race, sex and gender — culminating in Tuesday’s Senatorial name-check.


    Like Lee, politicians and parents on the right increasingly paint the association, known as the ALA, as a defender of pornographic literature for children — tying their allegations into a broader conservative movement that asserts school libraries are filled with sexually explicit, inappropriate texts. (A 2022 tweet in which the organization’s president called herself “a Marxist lesbian” added to concerns.)

    Over the summer, state libraries in Montana, Missouri and Texas announced that they were severing ties with the ALA, imperiling their libraries’ access to funding and training.

    The Texas decision was taken after state Rep. Brian Harrison (R) wrote to library leaders saying that “the ALA works against parents by fighting to keep pornographic materials in public libraries.”

    Conservative legislators in at least nine additional states are urging their state libraries to follow suit and disaffiliate.

    That includes Alabama, where state Rep. Susan DuBose in August published an op-ed calling the ALA “a conduit” for pornography. Four days later, Gov. Kay Ivey (R) wrote to her state’s library saying she was worried about “the environment” in libraries statewide and feared the ALA was “making the situation worse.”


    Meanwhile, librarians and those on the political left are defending the ALA as a key provider of money and skills for librarians, a trusted authority on efforts to censor books and a champion of citizens’ freedom to read.

    For more than 20 years, the ALA has tracked book challenges at school and public libraries; during the Judiciary Committee hearing Tuesday, Democratic senators often pointed to data from the association to support their arguments.

    The disaffection with the ALA is unprecedented and related to larger societal tendencies to refuse vaccines and to doubt climate change, said University of Pennsylvania professor Jonathan Zimmerman, who studies the history of education.

    He said that for more than a century, the ALA benefited from “professional deference” as the leading organization for librarians.


    That deference is gone……

     
    FRONT ROYAL — Time is running out for Samuels Public Library.
Faced with a choice between giving Warren County political leaders the power to block LGBTQ+ books from reaching young readers or running out of operating funds at the end of September, the library board Thursday night rejected county control.


    The decision leaves the library and the county board of supervisors locked in a stalemate that could cause the library to close its doors in October even though it is in the midst of a banner year, with visitors up 15 percent and the number of donors up 25 percent from 2022…….

     
    A Texas teacher was fired after assigning an illustrated adaptation of Anne Frank’s diary to her middle school class, in a move that some are calling “a political attack on truth”.

    The eighth-grade school teacher was released after officials with Hamshire-Fannett independent school district said the teacher presented the “inappropriate” book to students, reported KFDM.

    The graphic novel, written by Ari Folman and illustrated by David Polonsky, adapts the diary of 13-year-old Anne Frank, who wrote while hiding in an annexe in Nazi-occupied Amsterdam.

    The district sent an email to parents on Tuesday, notifying them that the book, which district officials say was not approved, would no longer be read.

    “The reading of that content will cease immediately. Your student’s teacher will communicate her apologies to you and your students soon, as she has expressed those apologies to us,” read the email, reported KFDM.

    By Wednesday, district officials had emailed parents, informing them that the teacher had been fired following an investigation into the incident.……

     
    Texas made the most attempts to ban or restrict books in 2022, according to a new report from the American Library Association (ALA).

    Last year, there were 1,269 documented censorship attempts to restrict 2,571 unique titles – the highest number ever recorded by ALA’s Office of Intellectual Freedom and double the 729 book challenges made in 2021.

    Texas made 93 attempts to restrict access to over 2,300 books.

    The book ban movement, has been gaining speed in recent years across the US, particularly in Republican-led states, and is becoming a central theme in religious-political activism. Often the books contain issues related to LGBTQ+ communities or race.…..

     
    I think it's more appropriate for certain high schoolers and above. It's rated for 15+ years. Neither of those books would be required reading, but for kids struggling with their sexuality at that age, it could be a type of life saving resources. As I understand it (I've never read either of the books), but they are memoirs and deal with topics like abuse and sexual experiences. That type of information can help kids that age recognize abusers and protect themselves. For LGBTQ+ kids, unless you have supportive surroundings, it's a very treacherous journey through young adulthood.
    I have heard that argument before. I don't buy. I fail to see how and why erotic literature would help a person struggling with sexual frustration/identity during puberty.
     
    As opposed to trusting stupid RW whack jobs? We should trust Lauren “my ex waved his junk at minors” Boebert or Marjorie “Jewish space lasers “ Greene or Paul “complete idiot” Gosar instead?
    Ok, try and stay on topic.

    So we agree there are age appropriate books out there. That is a good start. Now you position falls back to the troupe that 'experts should decide' what is age appropriate or not. Do you consider parents to be experts on their children?
     
    Anything written buy any Republican on this board or anywhere else about “saving the kids” is worthless. As long as guns can be easily obtained and used to kill kids, as long as Black parents have to have “the talk” with their kids about coming into contact with law enforcement and as long as programs created to help kids are cut any mouth noises from Republicans about concern for children is, of necessity, bullschlitz.

    Ok, so in your opinion, only those that agree with you care about kids. Those that disagree with you want to murder children. Got it.

    Maybe a political message board that allows both sides to discuss the issue is not for you?
     
    Ok, try and stay on topic.

    So we agree there are age appropriate books out there. That is a good start. Now you position falls back to the troupe that 'experts should decide' what is age appropriate or not. Do you consider parents to be experts on their children?
    Nobody is stopping parents from controlling what their kids read. The real question is why do you want to control what other peoples’ kids read?
     

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