All things Racist...USA edition (4 Viewers)

[Farb]

I was looking for a place to put this so we could discuss but didn't really find a place that worked so I created this thread so we can all place articles, experiences, videos and examples of racism in the USA.

This is one that happened this week. The lady even called and filed a complaint on the officer. This officer also chose to wear the body cam (apparently, LA doesn't require this yet). This exchange wasn't necessarily racist IMO until she started with the "mexican racist...you will never be white, like you want" garbage. That is when it turned racist IMO

All the murderer and other insults, I think are just a by product of CRT and ACAB rhetoric that is very common on the radical left and sadly is being brought to mainstream in this country.

Another point that I think is worth mentioning is she is a teacher and the sense of entitlement she feels is mind blowing.

https://news.yahoo.com/black-teacher-berates-latino-la-221235341.html

 

[MT15]

I remembered reading about some city out east - I think it was Camden, NJ.

Here is one article I found. I don’t have time right now to do a deep dive, maybe later. This can be a start, though.

“Camden and Newark, two cities in New Jersey, are among those that have been held up as powerful examples of positive change. The two cities have seen structural reforms to their police departments and a steep drop in crime, both within the communities and inflicted by the police.”

These New Jersey cities reformed their police – what happened next?

Camden and Newark have seen structural reforms to their departments and a drop in crime, but for residents, the trauma of violence is still palpable

www.theguardian.com

 

[coldseat]

Do you prefer criminals in society and prey on the poor and helpless or do you prefer them in prison?

I mean, if you want to put Trump in prison, then by all means go ahead. But in general, we put to many people in prison instead of having effective policies to deal with some of the reason people go to prison.

We need to build and open ALOT of asylums and prisons and use and streamline capital punishment for the worst of the worst.

No. We can certainly use more mental health treatment centers or prison designed and funded to reduce recidivism. But if all you're talking about is building more hard prisons (probably private) solely to put more people in prison, then NO.

 

[Optimus Prime]

ORLANDO, Fla. (AP) — Diversity, equity and inclusion programs were abolished Tuesday from Walt Disney World's governing district, now controlled by appointees of Gov. Ron DeSantis, in an echo of the Florida governor's agenda which has championed curtailing such programs in higher education and elsewhere.

The Central Florida Tourism Oversight District said in a statement that its diversity, equity and inclusion committee would be eliminated, as would any job duties connected to it. Also axed were initiatives left over from when the district was controlled by Disney supporters, which awarded contracts based on goals of achieving racial or gender parity.

Glenton Gilzean, the district's new administrator who is African American and a former head of the Central Florida Urban League, called such initiatives “illegal and simply un-American." Gilzean has been a fellow or member at two conservative institutions, the James Madison Institute and the American Enterprise Institute Leadership Network, as well as a DeSantis appointee to the Florida Commission on Ethics.

“Our district will no longer participate in any attempt to divide us by race or advance the notion that we are not created equal," Gilzean said in a statement. "As the former head of the Central Florida Urban League, a civil rights organization, I can say definitively that our community thrives only when we work together despite our differences.”

An email was sent seeking comment from Disney World.............

MSN

 

[Optimus Prime]

I mean, if you want to put Trump in prison, then by all means go ahead. But in general, we put too many people in prison instead of having effective policies to deal with some of the reason people go to prison.

NSFW

 

[Bigdaddysaints]

What needs to be done is instead of prisons become a place to just house criminals, actually make an attempt to rehabilitate them. sure, a lot can't be, but there are are also a lot who can be. But if you try to do a better job at educating them and teaching them skills, the consevatives get all bent out of shape because we are giving it to them free instead of the "people who really need it". But when you try to do that also, they yell "SOCIALISM!!!".. And i know several people personally who think this way..

 

[bird]

Do you prefer criminals in society and prey on the poor and helpless or do you prefer them in prison?
We need to build and open ALOT of asylums and prisons and use and streamline capital punishment for the worst of the worst.

How many “criminals” are in prison for being caught with drugs that they were going to use themselves? You appear to support a retribution system as opposed to a justice system. You also appear to not care what causes crime. We already incarcerate more people per capita than any other country so why doesn’t what we are already doing not work?

 

[Optimus Prime]

If there's a bet that you will almost always win, it's that no matter how crass and dishonest a right-wing claim may seem to be, the reality will be worse.

That's the case with Florida's effort to whitewash the truth about slavery via a set of standards for teaching African American history imposed on the state's public school teachers and students.

The curriculum, you may recall, was condemned for a provision that the curriculum cover “how slaves developed skills which, in some instances, could be applied for their personal benefit.”

Another provision seemed to blame "Africans' resistance to slavery" for the tightening of slave codes in the South that outlawed teaching slaves to read and write.

A section referring to "acts of violence perpetrated against and by African Americans" goes on to list five race riots and massacres from American history, every one of which was started by whites.

More on that in a moment. As the indispensable Charles P. Pierce put it, the Florida standards "look as though they were devised by Strom Thurmond on some very good mushrooms."

I reported last week on this reprehensible project, which was publicly presented as the product of a work group of the state's African American History Task Force.

Two members of the task force, William B. Allen and Frances Presley Rice, responded to the scathing reaction to the curriculum from Democrats and Republicans with a defensive statement purportedly on behalf of the entire work group.

"Some slaves developed highly specialized trades from which they benefitted [sic]," the statement read. "This is factual and well documented."

As I reported, however, of the 16 individuals Allen and Rice mentioned to support their assertion, nine never were slaves, seven were identified by the wrong trade and 13 or 14 did not learn their skills while enslaved. One, Betty Washington Lewis, whom Allen and Rice identified as a “shoemaker,” was white: She was George Washington’s younger sister and a slave owner.

Now it turns out that Allen and Rice were not speaking for the work group, but for themselves. Thanks to reporting by NBC News, we know that most of the work group's 13 members opposed the language suggesting that slaves benefited from their enslavement.

NBC quoted several members anonymously as stating that two members pushed the provision — Allen and Rice. Members "questioned 'how there could be a benefit to slavery,'” one work group member told NBC.

Others said that the work group met intermittently over the internet and did not collaborate with the state's African American History Task Force, which was created in 1994 to oversee the curriculum for African American studies in Florida's K-12 schools............

At a 1989 conference in Anaheim sponsored by anti-gay Christian fundamentalists, Allen delivered a talk titled, "Blacks? Animals? Homosexuals? What is a Minority?”

Its theme was that treating gays and Blacks as distinct minorities would relegate them to animal status. Allen said, “my title is as innocent as a title can be,” a position that prefigured his current defense of the Florida slavery standards as no big deal.

He's listed as a fellow of the Claremont Institute, which has been funded by a galaxy of right-wing foundations. The institute lists among its senior fellows John Eastman, who is one of the four attorneys identified as "co-conspirators" in the federal indictment of former President Trump for trying to overturn the 2020 presidential election, handed up Tuesday. Eastman is also the target of a California State Bar proceeding aimed at his disbarment for his alleged role in that effort.

As for Rice, she's chair of the Sarasota-based National Black Republican Assn., which appears to have shared its business address with her home address. She identifies herself as "Dr. Frances Presley Rice," but she doesn't appear to have a medical degree or PhD.; she does hold a juris doctor degree, but that's just a law degree and doesn't customarily bestow the "Dr." designation on its holders.

Rice has conducted a years-long campaign to associate today's Democratic Party with the Democrats of the 19th century, a pro-slavery party that shares none of its positions with the Democrats of modern times...........

DeSantis and his stooges are pretending that the truth about America's racist past should be suppressed for fear of making white children feel bad. It's nothing but a play for the most bigoted members of the GOP base.

That brings us back to Florida's curriculum. Provisions other than the one about the benefits of slavery aren't getting the attention they deserve.

Take the part about "acts of violence perpetrated against and by African Americans." This standard is illustrated in the text by references to race riots in Atlanta in 1906 and Washington, D.C., in 1919, and massacres in Ocoee, Fla. (1920); Tulsa (1921); and Rosewood, Fla. (1923) — rampages by white mobs lasting a day or more.

In what sense do these point to violence perpetrated by Blacks? Pierce conjectures that they "might distressingly be referring to attempts by the victims of those bloody episodes to fight back."

The Ocoee massacre occurred when the town's Black residents attempted to vote. When a squadron of Klansmen hunted down a Black leader in his home, his daughter tried to prevent them from taking him by brandishing a rifle, which went off, slightly wounding a white member of the gang.............

MSN

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[SFIDC3]

Also, why did you say MT was being emotional? The post you quoted wasn't emotional at all.

She was emotional, bedraggled and just a total wreck.....just like Jack Smith was according to those great truth seekers at FOX!!!!!!

 

[Farb]

How many “criminals” are in prison for being caught with drugs that they were going to use themselves? You appear to support a retribution system as opposed to a justice system. You also appear to not care what causes crime. We already incarcerate more people per capita than any other country so why doesn’t what we are already doing not work?

Because we have created a society that coddles people who cannot and will not take personal responsibility for their own actions. We have also managed (not by accident but intentionally) to remove the family unit as the primary foundation of our society.

Where those drugs illegal, regardless who was going to use them? Then yes, they are were they need to be.

Do you support the death penalty?

 

[Farb]

What needs to be done is instead of prisons become a place to just house criminals, actually make an attempt to rehabilitate them. sure, a lot can't be, but there are are also a lot who can be. But if you try to do a better job at educating them and teaching them skills, the consevatives get all bent out of shape because we are giving it to them free instead of the "people who really need it". But when you try to do that also, they yell "SOCIALISM!!!".. And i know several people personally who think this way..

Can you show me at any time in the past when rehabilition of criminals has worked? We just moved pasted that failure in the early 90s. Several countries have also tried it in the past and none have succeeded.

Yes, the lefts answer to all issues is more money.

If you want to discuss certain criminals getting rehabbed vs those that we know will have a high rate of recidivism, we can. That would be productive. For example, criminal pedophiles that commit crimes against young boys have the highest rate out of all crimes. Do we try that too and keep fingers crossed when they get out, they don't destroy another childs life? I don't think so. Certain crimes should bear the very harsh penalty.

 

[Farb]

I remembered reading about some city out east - I think it was Camden, NJ.

Here is one article I found. I don’t have time right now to do a deep dive, maybe later. This can be a start, though.

“Camden and Newark, two cities in New Jersey, are among those that have been held up as powerful examples of positive change. The two cities have seen structural reforms to their police departments and a steep drop in crime, both within the communities and inflicted by the police.”

These New Jersey cities reformed their police – what happened next?

Camden and Newark have seen structural reforms to their departments and a drop in crime, but for residents, the trauma of violence is still palpable

www.theguardian.com

Great example. Disbanded the police. Arrests went down, as expected and homicides spiked. People moved and housing (the safe areas) are unaffordable. Next?

https://www.businessinsider.com/cam...isbanded-but-theres-more-to-story-2020-6?op=1

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/new-jersey-city-disbanded-its-police-force-here-s-what-n1231677

 

[Optimus Prime]

Latino Northwestern player says ‘Cinco de Mayo’ was shaved into his head

Ramon Diaz is the latest former athlete at the university to come forward with serious allegations of bullying and abuse

www.theguardian.com

 

[Bigdaddysaints]

Can you show me at any time in the past when rehabilition of criminals has worked? We just moved pasted that failure in the early 90s. Several countries have also tried it in the past and none have succeeded.

Yes, the lefts answer to all issues is more money.

If you want to discuss certain criminals getting rehabbed vs those that we know will have a high rate of recidivism, we can. That would be productive. For example, criminal pedophiles that commit crimes against young boys have the highest rate out of all crimes. Do we try that too and keep fingers crossed when they get out, they don't destroy another childs life? I don't think so. Certain crimes should bear the very harsh penalty.

so, what you are saying is, we have been doing it the same way forever, nothing has changed, and its actually gotten worse, so lets just keep on doing it they way we have always done it, because it works so well.
Get the ones who want to change. get them in programs to learn a skill that can help them when they get out, for example. But like i said, that would be met with "why do they get it for free" cry from the right..
Sure there are some programs in some places. but they are few and far between.

 

[MT15]

Great example. Disbanded the police. Arrests went down, as expected and homicides spiked. People moved and housing (the safe areas) are unaffordable. Next?

https://www.businessinsider.com/cam...isbanded-but-theres-more-to-story-2020-6?op=1

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/new-jersey-city-disbanded-its-police-force-here-s-what-n1231677

Arrogance thy name is Farb.

First piece is an opinion piece, so moving on. Did you actually read the second piece? I’m curious.

 

[MT15]

so, what you are saying is, we have been doing it the same way forever, nothing has changed, and its actually gotten worse, so lets just keep on doing it they way we have always done it, because it works so well..
Get the ones whpo want to changem get them in programs to learn a skill that can help them when they get out, for example. But like i said, that would be met with "why do they get it for free" cry from the right..

His ideas are terrible. Just as awful as can be.

 

[cuddlemonkey]

Do you support the death penalty?

No.

Can you show me at any time in the past when rehabilition of criminals has worked? We just moved pasted that failure in the early 90s. Several countries have also tried it in the past and none have succeeded.

Yes.

 

[bird]

Because we have created a society that coddles people who cannot and will not take personal responsibility for their own actions. We have also managed (not by accident but intentionally) to remove the family unit as the primary foundation of our society.

Where those drugs illegal, regardless who was going to use them? Then yes, they are were they need to be.

Do you support the death penalty?

We have not removed the family unit as the primary foundation of society. That is a lie.

Who gets to decide who is and isn’t “taking personal responsibility for their actions”?

Alcohol prohibition failed miserably. Drug addiction especially created by the pharmaceutical industry and Mexican black tar (read Dreamland by Sam Quinones) is only criminal because some politicians decided that it should be. So, no drug addicts are not ”where they should be.” When sentencing is reformed (sentencing for crack being different than powder cocaine as an example) so that White white collar criminals face the punishments as Black/people of color then we can talk about accepting responsibility. Trump and his enablers are an excellent example. Should Trump be convicted of charges brought in various indictments he should be taken immediately into custody and jailed.

The death penalty is irrelevant.

 

[bird]

Can you show me at any time in the past when rehabilition of criminals has worked? We just moved pasted that failure in the early 90s. Several countries have also tried it in the past and none have succeeded.

Yes, the lefts answer to all issues is more money.

If you want to discuss certain criminals getting rehabbed vs those that we know will have a high rate of recidivism, we can. That would be productive. For example, criminal pedophiles that commit crimes against young boys have the highest rate out of all crimes. Do we try that too and keep fingers crossed when they get out, they don't destroy another childs life? I don't think so. Certain crimes should bear the very harsh penalty.

Read up on justice systems outside of this country. The U.S. retribution system is a complete and utter failure.