All things Racist...USA edition (4 Viewers)

[Farb]

I was looking for a place to put this so we could discuss but didn't really find a place that worked so I created this thread so we can all place articles, experiences, videos and examples of racism in the USA.

This is one that happened this week. The lady even called and filed a complaint on the officer. This officer also chose to wear the body cam (apparently, LA doesn't require this yet). This exchange wasn't necessarily racist IMO until she started with the "mexican racist...you will never be white, like you want" garbage. That is when it turned racist IMO

All the murderer and other insults, I think are just a by product of CRT and ACAB rhetoric that is very common on the radical left and sadly is being brought to mainstream in this country.

Another point that I think is worth mentioning is she is a teacher and the sense of entitlement she feels is mind blowing.

https://news.yahoo.com/black-teacher-berates-latino-la-221235341.html

 

[SaintForLife]

 

[MT15]

Yawn.
https://www.tfp.org/in-minneapolis-defund-abruptly-becomes-refund-the-police/

"In less than twelve months, the Minneapolis City Council has been mugged by reality. Council members now admit that their defunding of the police has been “misinterpreted” by almost everyone, including its own members. It is destroying the security of the community. They have now resolved to return $6.4 million to the police department’s budget."
https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/politics-news/democrats-went-defund-refund-police-rcna14796

WASHINGTON — A young Democratic member of Congress declared the "defund the police" movement “dead" on Thursday, and Black Democratic mayors from San Francisco to New York, Chicago to Washington, D.C., are moving to increase police budgets and end “the reign of criminals."

As violent crime surges ahead of the November midterms, President Joe Biden and the Democratic Party are toughening their talk on crime, and refunding the police only two years after some progressive activists took up the call to defund them.
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/ar...sing-cuts-police-budgets-increasing-them.html

• Many major cities are reversing prior moves to defund police departments, requesting budget increases
• They are reeling after violent crime soared when they slashed funding for cops last year
• Murder rate jumped 30% on average last year across a sample of 34 American cities
• Violent crime continues to increase sharply this year in cities including NYC and Chicago
• Now Mayor de Blasio is seeking to reinstate $92 million in funding for new police precinct
• Baltimore mayor wants $27 million funding boost after he led the charge to cut $22 million as councilman
• Los Angeles mayor proposes increase of $50 million after $150 million in cuts last year

I believe you can do your own work from here.

I should have known better than to ask for a nuanced discussion from you. All you have are clickbait biased articles. We can point to individual failures, sure, but there are some successes. But you go back to your “me good-you bad” narrative.

 

[MT15]

Some context on a couple of RW talking points about slavery

 

[MT15]

Several black GOP members are pushing back on these ridiculous standards:

 

[MT15]

 

[MT15]

 

[MT15]

Here’s a pretty good analysis of the differences between the AP standard and the new FL standard. It’s an entire thread with examples. One quick one that I can remember: FL standards mention Malcolm X exactly one time, but mention Everett Dirkson twice. In an African American history standard.

 

[MT15]

 

[Optimus Prime]

In the mid-20th century, a generation after the civil war, the United Daughters of the Confederacy set out to rebrand the image of slavery. The group, composed of female descendants of Confederate soldiers, was fixated on returning the country’s social order to its antebellum racial hierarchy.

It sought to reimagine slavery as a benign institution, and to glorify the “lost cause” of white southern insurrectionists who attempted to overthrow the government in slavery’s defense. The place that served as ground zero for the UDC’s revisionist-history effort? Schools.

In one of its most successful campaigns, the UDC called for the widespread adoption of textbooks that trivialized the horrors of slavery. As a result, a 1954 middle school textbook titled History of Georgia claimed that a typical slave owner “often had a barbecue or picnic for his slaves. The [enslaved] often had a great frolic. Even while working in the cotton fields they sang songs.” (It is no coincidence that the book was published the same year the NAACP won the supreme court case to desegregate public schools.)

And while most contemporary school texts have since moved towards acknowledging that slavery and the subsequent Jim Crow era were reprehensible, organized efforts against teaching accurate racial history continue to occur.

The UDC’s legacy of revision emerged again in Florida recently, when the Republican governor and presidential candidate Ron DeSantis introduced legislation that would de-emphasize racism in the state’s public education curricula.

Last week, DeSantis announced that Florida texts will teach students that slavery benefited African Americans who “gained skills” that “eventually parlayed … into doing other things in life”.

Civil-rights leaders, educators, and scholars were quick to criticize this minimization of slavery’s cruelty as ignorance at best and deliberate misrepresentation at worst. Vice-President Kamala Harris even reacted, calling the policy an attempt “to replace history with lies”.

The backlash to DeSantis’s move is warranted and necessary, but most of the critiques miss the mark on identifying the Florida law’s deeper insidiousness.

What the architects of this legislation are really attempting to do – as the UDC attempted a century before – is galvanize a political right and hold on to conservative white rule in a country with rapidly changing demographics.

By denying the true ills of slavery, DeSantis is working to release the American government from the obligation of correcting for its present-day inequalities.

The violence of slavery is not just limited to a series of heinous acts that happened in the past, it also includes a deliberate process of disinformation that enables future generations to maintain the power yielded by that violence…….

Why Ron DeSantis’s slavery curriculum is so dangerous | Saida Grundy

By denying the true ills of slavery, DeSantis is working to release the government from the obligation of fixing inequality today

www.theguardian.com

 

[Optimus Prime]

Excellent article. I haven’t heard the term anti-anti racism before but it makes sense
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When you see some of the positions taken by the Republicans running for president on issues that touch upon race, it can be hard to ascribe to them anything but the ugliest motives.


Why, for instance, would Florida Gov. Ron DeSantis and former vice president Mike Pence each announce their intention to change the name of an Army post to honor a Confederate general?

Why would DeSantis advocate for new school standards in his state that appear to present slavery as a brief and salutary job training program?


Some will simply answer, “Racism.”

But there’s a more complicated answer that better explains what’s happening on the right. The true commitment of today’s Republican Party is not to racism (though there are plenty of genuine racists who thrill to what the GOP offers, and especially to former president Donald Trump). It is to what is best described as anti-antiracism.

In a sense, anti-antiracism is its own ideology. It holds that racism directed at minorities is largely a thing of the past; that whatever racism does exist is a product only of individual hearts and not of institutions and systems; that efforts to ameliorate racism and promote diversity are both counterproductive and morally abhorrent; and, most critically, that those efforts must not only be stopped but also rolled back.


Listen to conservative rhetoric on book banning, affirmative action, teaching history or any of the ways race touches their war on “wokeness,” and you hear this theme repeated: We must stop talking and thinking about racism, and most of all we must stop trying to do anything about racism.

Virtually all racists, of course, would also be anti-antiracists. But there are also millions of people who are not racist yet who are fervent anti-antiracists. That’s the conclusion of some fascinating research from a pair of political scientists, Rachel Wetts and Robb Willer.


Their research explores people’s agreement with ideas such as “As a country, we have done everything that we should do to equalize wealth and income between Black people and White people,” and “People these days can’t speak their minds without someone accusing them of racism.”


Adherence to these kind of anti-antiracist ideas has become “a matter of partisan identity,” going to the core of “what it means to be a Republican,” Wetts told me. “More than 80 percent of White Republicans endorse these views at very high levels.”

In fact, in Wetts and Willer’s analysis, the only variable that predicted support for Trump more strongly than anti-antiracism was whether you identified as a Republican.


That helps explain why Republican candidates are so determined to call attention to their efforts to dictate what can be said about race in classrooms, to punish companies for promoting diversity, equity and inclusion (DEI), or even to undo attempts to stop honoring the Confederacy…….

https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2023/07/31/racism-antiracism-republicans-2024/

 

[Bigdaddysaints]

so what you are saying is CRT SHOULD be taught in schools?

 

[Farb]

I should have known better than to ask for a nuanced discussion from you. All you have are clickbait biased articles. We can point to individual failures, sure, but there are some successes. But you go back to your “me good-you bad” narrative.

Are you saying those cities that cut the police budgets are not giving more to the police during this cycle? I showed you the opposite, can you prove I am wrong? Otherwise, this is you just calling me a liar with your fingers in your ear.

Sure. I guess rising crime is a success for some people.

 

[Farb]

We already do that, we have the largest prision population in the world. How high do you want the US prison population to be?

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Not only does the U.S. have the highest incarceration rate in the world; every single U.S. state incarcerates more people per capita than virtually any independent democracy on earth. To be sure, states like New York and Massachusetts appear progressive in their incarceration rates compared to states like Louisiana, but compared to the rest of the world, every U.S. state relies too heavily on prisons and jails to respond to crime.
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States of Incarceration: The Global Context 2021

Criminal justice policy in every region of the United States is out of step with the rest of the world.

www.prisonpolicy.org

Do you prefer criminals in society and prey on the poor and helpless or do you prefer them in prison?
We need to build and open ALOT of asylums and prisons and use and streamline capital punishment for the worst of the worst.

 

[samiam5211]

Do you prefer criminals in society and prey on the poor and helpless or do you prefer them in prison?
We need to build and open ALOT of asylums and prisons and use and streamline capital punishment for the worst of the worst.

I guess American exceptionalism is that more of us need to be confined than any other country.

 

[MT15]

Are you saying those cities that cut the police budgets are not giving more to the police during this cycle? I showed you the opposite, can you prove I am wrong? Otherwise, this is you just calling me a liar with your fingers in your ear.

Sure. I guess rising crime is a success for some people.

That’s just it - crime is no longer rising. I think the bump had more to do with coming out of the pandemic than anything else. Your articles are hardly serious discussions - they are shallow clickbait. I was hoping you would be up for a serious discussion, but you’re not. Oh well.

 

[Farb]

That’s just it - crime is no longer rising. I think the bump had more to do with coming out of the pandemic than anything else. Your articles are hardly serious discussions - they are shallow clickbait. I was hoping you would be up for a serious discussion, but you’re not. Oh well.

Can you have a serious discussion? You get entirely too emotional and just start calling people liars and sources clickbait if you don't' agree, but lets give it a shot. Pick a city that defunded the police and we can look at if they are refunding the police now and why.

What city do you roll with?

 

[samiam5211]

Can you have a serious discussion? You get entirely too emotional and just start calling people liars and sources clickbait if you don't' agree, but lets give it a shot. Pick a city that defunded the police and we can look at if they are refunding the police now and why.

What city do you roll with?

Crime is lower today that it has been at almost any time in any of our lifetimes.

It is much much lower than it was in the 80s and 90s.

Crime is so low, that there shouldn't even be a national discussion about crime. It shouldn't be anywhere near the top 10 issues.

Also, why did you say MT was being emotional? The post you quoted wasn't emotional at all.

Curious choice of word there.

 

[MT15]

Curious choice of word there.

You and I both know why he chose that word. I’m used to it, actually.