All things Racist...USA edition (2 Viewers)

[Farb]

I was looking for a place to put this so we could discuss but didn't really find a place that worked so I created this thread so we can all place articles, experiences, videos and examples of racism in the USA.

This is one that happened this week. The lady even called and filed a complaint on the officer. This officer also chose to wear the body cam (apparently, LA doesn't require this yet). This exchange wasn't necessarily racist IMO until she started with the "mexican racist...you will never be white, like you want" garbage. That is when it turned racist IMO

All the murderer and other insults, I think are just a by product of CRT and ACAB rhetoric that is very common on the radical left and sadly is being brought to mainstream in this country.

Another point that I think is worth mentioning is she is a teacher and the sense of entitlement she feels is mind blowing.

https://news.yahoo.com/black-teacher-berates-latino-la-221235341.html

 

[MT15]

Frankly I think you’re both stubbornly talking past each other. At best, evolution has selected for a tendency to be racist, but I think that’s more accurately portrayed as a theory rather than accepted scientific fact. Nobody can deny that white supremacy is an ideology. To deny the ideological component is to give racists an evolutionary excuse for their beliefs and actions.

 

[BullSheetBuddha]

To deny the ideological component is to give racists an evolutionary excuse for their beliefs and actions.

No one is denying that people like Trump, or Hitler, etc., use racism as a part of their platform. I'm just saying racism exists therefore people like Trump and Hitler can exploit it. It's not too complicated.

 

[BullSheetBuddha]

This is all I'm saying:

Is racism and bigotry in our DNA?

If we are not careful, the coronavirus pandemic could lead to a rise in xenophobic attitudes.

theconversation.com

"Most human attitudes and behavior have both a genetic and an environmental component. This is also true for our fear of others who are different to us — xenophobia — and intolerance of their viewpoints — bigotry. Hardwired into the brain’s amygdala region is a fear reflex that is primed by encounters with the unfamiliar.

In premodern times, it made sense to be fearful of other groups. They might be violent, steal our resources, or introduce new diseases we are not adapted to. Conversely, it was beneficial to trust those who look similar to us — they are more likely to be related. And when we help these kin, our own genes are more likely to be passed to future generations. What’s more, if the other person reciprocates the good deed, we benefit even more.

Beyond such genetic influences, our human culture strongly influences our attitudes and behaviour, modifying innate human drives – either suppressing them or encouraging them further. Whether we tolerate and trust someone or fear and reject them depends a lot on this culture."
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If I gave the impression that I was of the opinion that only our evolutionarily shaped genetics cause "racism" (A) I didn't express myself very well and (B) I apologize. Clearly, beyond our genetics, culture is eminently involved in shaping our attitudes, beliefs, and actions.

 

[BullSheetBuddha]

I put this up before viewing it. I'm not particularly impressed. The second half is somewhat interesting though so I won't take it down.

 

[superchuck500]

The irony in this criticism of Lift Every Voice and Sing before the Super Bowl is almost too much to bear. The scared-whites are insisting that it is a divisive "alternate national anthem" and demanding that it not be played before the Super Bowl. They insist that the woke liberals are dividing us by insisting on this second national anthem (ostensibly one for white Americans and one for black Americans).

Um, they've been playing America the Beautiful before the national anthem for years and nobody said shirt! It was just another song in the Go America! lead up to a freakin' game. Nothing in the pre-program/schedule says anything about Lift Every Voice and Sing being an alternate national anthem, or one of "two national anthems" - it's sung before the anthem as part of the lead up, and is done so specifically to expand the inclusion on what is the national culture of pre-game ceremonies. Some people may informally call it the "African American national anthem" but that's just people talking, it's not official in any way.

If you never said a damn thing about America the Beautiful but are now crying about Lift Every Voice and Sing, it's because you're racist - there's no other way around it. America the Beautiful is not the anthem. If it can be played routinely, then we must be okay with other songs being played before the anthem. So it's not that another song is being played . . . it's that this song is being played. And why would that be?? Because you're racist, that's why.

And they think they're the ones being rational, holding the line of "common sense" against the woke hordes at the gates. It just sucks.

 

[SystemShock]

So evolution selected racism as a trait? That is a load of crap. Fight or flight, sure. Racism? No. Race. Does. Not. Exist. Fear followed by institutionalizing fear via political economy is not evolution. Tribalism aka fear of the other aka fear of the unknown is part of fight or flight. Racism is created. Racism enshrined as law/social mores is ideology.

Of course it is a load of crap. How can you feel superior to something you fear? Makes absolutely no sense.

 

[RobF]

Of course it is a load of crap. How can you feel superior to something you fear? Makes absolutely no sense.

I don't disagree with the conclusion, but you can easily believe yourself to be superior to something you fear.

Like, Indiana Jones is afraid of snakes, I don't think that means he thinks they're better than him.

 

[BullSheetBuddha]

Of course it is a load of crap. How can you feel superior to something you fear? Makes absolutely no sense.

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Superiority Complex: Understanding It, Traits, Treatment and More

While superiority complex is not technically a diagnosis, it is one way people choose to deal with feelings of inferiority. Understanding why you or someone else might behave this way and learning better ways to deal with feelings can help.

www.healthline.com

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What Is a Superiority Complex?​

A superiority complex is a behavior that suggests a person believes they’re somehow superior to others. People with this complex often have exaggerated opinions of themselves. They may believe their abilities and achievements surpass those of others.

However, a superiority complex may actually be hiding low self-esteem or a sense of inferiority.
Psychologist Alfred Adler first described the superiority complex in his early 20th century work. He outlined that the complex is really a defense mechanism for feelings of inadequacy that we all struggle with.

In short, people with a superiority complex frequently have boastful attitudes to people around them. But these are merely a way to cover up feelings of failure or shortcoming.

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[Optimus Prime]

The classic career advice many of us hear is: “The work does not speak for itself. You need to make sure others know about it, too.“

But recent research complicates the suggestion that everyone should advocate for themselves by promoting their own accomplishments.

A 2022 study published in the Journal of Applied Psychology surveyed a racially diverse and stratified sample of professionals, all from a large global financial institution and who all had white managers. Employees answered a survey about their self-promotional behavior with prompts such as “I talk proudly about my contributions or education with others at [company name],” and a group of management researchers used manager surveys and human resources information to see how supervisors rated the employees’ performance.

The researchers found that although white, Asian and Latinx employees received higher job ratings when they talked more about their contributions and accomplishments, Black employees were penalized by white managers for doing the same thing. Black employees who rated themselves highly on self-promotion received lower ratings of their job performance and assessments of their fit with the organization.

In other words, self-promoting at work benefited white, Asian and Latinx employees while it had negative consequences for Black colleagues.

What explains this racial bias? The researchers think that white supervisors could be holding negative stereotypes of lower job competence against their Black employees while other racial groups were not dealing with the same thing.

As a result, when Black employees excel and communicate their accomplishments, strengths and contributions, their white managers see this as something that goes against their stereotypes of Black employees’ competence and skills.

“When managers perceive the violation of their stereotypical ‘norm’ of Black employees, they feel uneasy and thus react negatively,” said Jiaqing Sun, an assistant professor in the London School of Economics’ department of management, and a co-author of the study.

“The unique bias revealed in our study is more likely to happen in [occupations] highly emphasizing competence, education, and skills, and also with a low representation of Black employees, such as financial banking, high technology and higher education,” Sun told HuffPost via email.

The study controlled for employees’ education levels, tenure at the company, length of time in their current position and how long they had worked with their direct manager to “really try to isolate the extent to which self-promotion is positively impacting performance ratings,” said Sandy Wayne, a management professor at the University of Illinois at Chicago and the lead author of the study.

“What we did find was that African Americans, controlling all those other potential predictors of performance ratings, were getting lower ratings than other groups when they engaged in higher levels of self-promotion.”...................

Black Employees Face Backlash From White Managers When They Self-Promote At Work

 

[Farb]

Your belief structure is irrelevant. Your claims about the media are irrelevant.

The founders are irrelevant from the standpoint of what good they did. They refused to deal with slavery when there were those who were vehemently opposed to slavery before the country was even founded. Condemning the actions of those long past as well as those near past is never wrong. So, what we see from your commentary is that you are afraid of that history. Someone’s feelings might get hurt. Please explain Germany’s response to Nazism in the context of your claims. You cannot. Germany knows that the past is never really past. They also know that those who control the past can control the future. Look at DeathSantis. Tell me that his actions are the result of CRT or whatever you care to spin.

The goal is for white people to confront the past, present and future that the ideology called racism has imposed upon far too many people in this country. That you don’t like it is irrelevant. In point of opinion it is worse than that.

The childlike whining of the right over this is not simply disgusting. It is agitprop designed to “white”-wash history consigning the founding flaw to the garbage while continuing the ideology wrapped up in new ribbons and wrapping. The Southern strategy was real. Speaking in code while trying to conceal hatred by racist was, is and always will be real.

Sooner or later we will all be dead. And unless destruction of racism as well as facing its creation, implementation and attempted continuation is dealt with it will continue long after we are dead.

Personally, I do not care that you are a whiner. I do care that you think the singular event in the 400 years of white people being on this continent is somehow insignificant or damaging to today’s white people. Those who whine about CRT and the like are helping the continuation of the ideology. Whether you are a racist or not is irrelevant. You are a useful fool at best or a fellow traveler at worst with those who seek to destroy history all because some people’s feelings might get hurt.

What makes my belief structure 'irrelevant' and what makes yours 'relevant'? The answer is your opinion and ideology.

Very binary stance, and one that is echoed today. That being of presentism. We are, because of our narcissistic culture so enlightened and superior to those that came before us. The reason? Racism is used because that is easy. It has been a human sin since humans became human, so in essence, we are all superior to those before us because every culture, skin color and society is guilty. It is easier to tear things down than build. I take you have heard the story of the frog and scorpion?

Do you still deny that CRT is being taught in schools below the high school and college level?

We both agree that racism is wrong. I don't think there are many in this country that will disagree with you; however, that is changing fast. Why? Because the state of race discussion of today are bordered in what your diatribe just articulated so well. That being that you are either 100% behind the 'anti-racist' movement or you are a racist.

I am well aware that my post will be met by borderline personal attacks on my intellect and morals, all common, but I do want you ask you something. You keep talking about racism in this country and how to correct it. What is your suggestion. What will solve racism in this country and give 'marginalized' folks the fair shake that we as Americans love so much?

 

[SystemShock]

I don't disagree with the conclusion, but you can easily believe yourself to be superior to something you fear.

That may be true, but that wouldn't be part of an innate evolutionary process.

There are also various types to the feeling of superiority. For example, I can feel I am a superior fighter than another fighter, but that doesn't mean I feel a superior being.

In any case, the idea that someone is inferior to you (the generic you) simply because what they are where they were born, that's learned, not part of the evolution process.

 

[bird]

What makes my belief structure 'irrelevant' and what makes yours 'relevant'? The answer is your opinion and ideology.

Very binary stance, and one that is echoed today. That being of presentism. We are, because of our narcissistic culture so enlightened and superior to those that came before us. The reason? Racism is used because that is easy. It has been a human sin since humans became human, so in essence, we are all superior to those before us because every culture, skin color and society is guilty. It is easier to tear things down than build. I take you have heard the story of the frog and scorpion?

Do you still deny that CRT is being taught in schools below the high school and college level?

We both agree that racism is wrong. I don't think there are many in this country that will disagree with you; however, that is changing fast. Why? Because the state of race discussion of today are bordered in what your diatribe just articulated so well. That being that you are either 100% behind the 'anti-racist' movement or you are a racist.

I am well aware that my post will be met by borderline personal attacks on my intellect and morals, all common, but I do want you ask you something. You keep talking about racism in this country and how to correct it. What is your suggestion. What will solve racism in this country and give 'marginalized' folks the fair shake that we as Americans love so much?

No such thing as presenting in the discussion of racism and slavery. There were people in the 1700’s decrying slavery. The founders were more concerned about economics and their own wealth to actually deal with the question of slavery.

What makes your belief structure irrelevant is the fact that racism moves in one direction. Bigotry, of course, moves in multiple directions. You can’t stand that.

if you are not 100% against racism then what are you? 2% racism is OK? 10%? 50%? What is the cutoff?

You cannot provide an example of the CRT curriculum being taught in any K-12 school system. Are there a few people somewhere doing what the right cringes in fear and screams in false moral outrage about regarding the history and establishment of political economy including the legal system and social mores? Probably so. And you know what? They should be teaching it. It should be taught just like the destruction of native peoples should be taught. Just like the invasion of the Western Hemisphere should be taught. Just like the atrocities of Stalin, Mao, Pol Pot should be taught. Just like the atrocities visited on the Southern Cone of South American by the Chicago Boys taught by Milton Friedman should be taught. Just like the fear-based bullschlitz pushed by DeathSantis should be exposed. History is not just for the winners. For too long this country has glossed over the warts under the myth of exceptionalism.

You want to end racism? Expose it. Expose the past and expose the present.

Your last question shows you don’t care. That is the worst thing of all. Your “I got mine”-ism is disgusting but worse, it is sad.

 

[Farb]

No such thing as presenting in the discussion of racism and slavery. There were people in the 1700’s decrying slavery. The founders were more concerned about economics and their own wealth to actually deal with the question of slavery.

What makes your belief structure irrelevant is the fact that racism moves in one direction. Bigotry, of course, moves in multiple directions. You can’t stand that.

if you are not 100% against racism then what are you? 2% racism is OK? 10%? 50%? What is the cutoff?

You cannot provide an example of the CRT curriculum being taught in any K-12 school system. Are there a few people somewhere doing what the right cringes in fear and screams in false moral outrage about regarding the history and establishment of political economy including the legal system and social mores? Probably so. And you know what? They should be teaching it. It should be taught just like the destruction of native peoples should be taught. Just like the invasion of the Western Hemisphere should be taught. Just like the atrocities of Stalin, Mao, Pol Pot should be taught. Just like the atrocities visited on the Southern Cone of South American by the Chicago Boys taught by Milton Friedman should be taught. Just like the fear-based bullschlitz pushed by DeathSantis should be exposed. History is not just for the winners. For too long this country has glossed over the warts under the myth of exceptionalism.

You want to end racism? Expose it. Expose the past and expose the present.

Your last question shows you don’t care. That is the worst thing of all. Your “I got mine”-ism is disgusting but worse, it is sad.

I can and have provided proof that CRT is being taught. After the initial 'it is not being taught' defense, that evolved to the 'it is only being taught in higher grades' to the now, that you just parrotted, 'I should be taught and it is a good thing' That is called a straw man my friend and you just built a giant one.

What about the European slave trade, should that be taught as well? Not the one that is only taught where whites bought Africans from Africans for slave trade but the raiding of Europe for 'white slaves' by North Africans? Also the Scandinavian slave trade that priorities white slaves above all else for the price they would fetch at the muslim slave markets?
If you want to teach the horrors of slaver, teach it all. Teach about the societies that fought to eradicate it. Teach about all (literally every single one) civilization that had and benefited from slavery. Why is it that the far left only fixate on African slave trade and only half of it? Would it be a political ideology? I think so.

Show me current racism and I will stand with you in denouncing it, but you have to be honest about it.

What is the end goal. Can you describe what this country will look like with equity fully implemented?

 

[Saintamaniac]

I can and have provided proof that CRT is being taught. After the initial 'it is not being taught' defense, that evolved to the 'it is only being taught in higher grades' to the now, that you just parrotted, 'I should be taught and it is a good thing' That is called a straw man my friend and you just built a giant one.

This whole thing you just posted is just one big lie. You haven't provided proof of nothing you claimed. You never do. You still haven't been able to adequately articulate what CRT actually is.

The other stuff you posted is already being taught in classes called....wait for it.....World History. American history, the real history that you and your ilk are so afraid of being taught to kids in school includes teaching about history that pertains to America. It includes the settlement of land that wasn't just uninhabited but taken by force and settled. It includes bringing humans purchased abroad and brought here to be slaves. It includes the inhumane treatment that was levied upon those slaves. It includes teaching how one side of the population fought vehemently to free those slaves and recognize them as human beings entitled to the same rights guaranteed under our constitution as well as the other side of the population that fought just as hard to maintain the system slavery so much so that it led to a war within the country that pitted families against their own families.

That history also includes teaching how up until 55 years ago, decents of former slaves were finally afforded the right to vote and it teaches all the efforts of the descendants of slave owners to continue to attempt to deny citizens of their rights.

Future American history will tell the story of all the continuing efforts made by descendants of slave owners to keep descendants of former slaves from even learning about their true history in this country. It will tell the story of a side of the American population that was so thin-skinned that they violated the constitution to hide the true history of this country.

My grandchildren will learn about people just like you @Farb. They'll learn it in school or they'll learn it at home. In the electronic age, no amount of book bannings or snowflaking will stop people from learning the true history of our country.

 

[bird]

I can and have provided proof that CRT is being taught. After the initial 'it is not being taught' defense, that evolved to the 'it is only being taught in higher grades' to the now, that you just parrotted, 'I should be taught and it is a good thing' That is called a straw man my friend and you just built a giant one.

What about the European slave trade, should that be taught as well? Not the one that is only taught where whites bought Africans from Africans for slave trade but the raiding of Europe for 'white slaves' by North Africans? Also the Scandinavian slave trade that priorities white slaves above all else for the price they would fetch at the muslim slave markets?
If you want to teach the horrors of slaver, teach it all. Teach about the societies that fought to eradicate it. Teach about all (literally every single one) civilization that had and benefited from slavery. Why is it that the far left only fixate on African slave trade and only half of it? Would it be a political ideology? I think so.

Show me current racism and I will stand with you in denouncing it, but you have to be honest about it.

What is the end goal. Can you describe what this country will look like with equity fully implemented?

No, you provided an example of a couple of times that teachers tried to teach actual American history. That was not CRT.

Start with differences in sentencing. Start with flooding inner cities with crack. Start with ongoing problems with housing valuations depending upon the race of the owner trying to sell. Start with ongoing charter schools/vouchers that funnel white kids and money away from public schools. Shall we continue? What about the Lower 9th ward? What about poor people whose land was bought up after hurricanes demolished homes so hotels could built? Jackson, MS? Flint, MI? DeathSantis in FL?

Your “not the only one” is obfuscation. Slavery is pure evil. Slaveholders and traders are sub-human, to borrow from Heinlein “ no matter how scrubbed and perfumed they are”. Your “teach all the civilizations” is obfuscation. The central issue here, in this country, IS THIS COUNTRY.

My goal? I don’t have a goal per se…except to expose that white people such as ourselves are scared to death of one thing. It isn’t CRT as that is just a bullschlitz cover-up.

I know what you are afraid of. Do you? Will you admit it?

 

[superchuck500]

Antisemitic slurs fuel violence during game between Miami-Dade religious private schools, parents say

There was violence on a soccer field Wednesday night during a 2023 Boys Soccer State Championship Tournament game between two religious private schools in Miami-Dade County.

www.local10.com

 

[MT15]

I know what you are afraid of. Do you? Will you admit it?

I would love an answer to this question.

I can and have provided proof that CRT is being taught. After the initial 'it is not being taught' defense, that evolved to the 'it is only being taught in higher grades' to the now, that you just parrotted, 'I should be taught and it is a good thing' That is called a straw man my friend and you just built a giant one.

No, you haven’t proven any such thing. And just because people have trouble following exactly what you mean when you say CRT, but still endeavor to have a forthright conversation with you doesn’t mean that you are correct. The issue of CRT has been so muddied, admittedly so by the person responsible for doing it, that CRT now means anything that approaches teaching actual black history.

What about the European slave trade, should that be taught as well? Not the one that is only taught where whites bought Africans from Africans for slave trade but the raiding of Europe for 'white slaves' by North Africans? Also the Scandinavian slave trade that priorities white slaves above all else for the price they would fetch at the muslim slave markets?
If you want to teach the horrors of slaver, teach it all. Teach about the societies that fought to eradicate it. Teach about all (literally every single one) civilization that had and benefited from slavery. Why is it that the far left only fixate on African slave trade and only half of it? Would it be a political ideology? I think so.

Now this section contains actual straw men arguments. Nobody “on the left” is trying to suppress historical facts about slavery. Quite the opposite actually.

Are you suggesting that we should teach facts about slavery in other parts of the world during American history classes? Why would we do that? What would be the purpose? It suggests to me that you want to make excuses for slavery as practiced in America. Why would someone want to do that?

 

[coldseat]

Antisemitic slurs fuel violence during game between Miami-Dade religious private schools, parents say

There was violence on a soccer field Wednesday night during a 2023 Boys Soccer State Championship Tournament game between two religious private schools in Miami-Dade County.

www.local10.com

All the news out of Florida these days is racist, antisemitic or homophobic/transphobic with increasing discrimination and attacks against people representing those groups. That is the society that Republicans want to export and grow for the whole nation.