All things Racist...USA edition (2 Viewers)

[Farb]

I was looking for a place to put this so we could discuss but didn't really find a place that worked so I created this thread so we can all place articles, experiences, videos and examples of racism in the USA.

This is one that happened this week. The lady even called and filed a complaint on the officer. This officer also chose to wear the body cam (apparently, LA doesn't require this yet). This exchange wasn't necessarily racist IMO until she started with the "mexican racist...you will never be white, like you want" garbage. That is when it turned racist IMO

All the murderer and other insults, I think are just a by product of CRT and ACAB rhetoric that is very common on the radical left and sadly is being brought to mainstream in this country.

Another point that I think is worth mentioning is she is a teacher and the sense of entitlement she feels is mind blowing.

https://news.yahoo.com/black-teacher-berates-latino-la-221235341.html

 

[Farb]

Bullschlitz. Absolute bullschlitz. Nobody, NOBODY, on the left parrots what you claim in your limited worldview. What is said is that humans under the guise of alleged progress have trampled millions. They have stolen that which did not belong to them because they wanted to. They pushed the “White Man’s Burden” to “civilize“ those who did not need civilizing and while doing so attempted to destroy cultures they did not understand and that did not fit their belief structure.

And let’s don’t forget pogroms against Jews, religious wars between Catholics and Protestants and power politics under the idiocy of God inspired/sanctioned rule. Putin is doing that now.

Yes, technological advances have occurred. What has been the price? What does development mean? What is the definition of underdevelopment? How has resource extraction impacted native populations? How has the environment been impact by western development? What has been the impact of “improved” armaments?

Finally, what is the definition of progress? Do I wish I lived when there were no antibiotics? No. Do I also recognize that change always is accompanied by the law of unintended consequences? Yes. The bullschlitz of trumpeting “Western Civilization” as something wonderful is idol worshipping at best and theomythology at worst.

And yet, you typed exactly what was I was saying, so we know at least one leftist parrots what I 'claimed'.

Have a good Easter my friend.

 

[DaveXA]

So, no person on this planet back to the beginning of time should have any pride in their society then?

That's not what I said.

 

[The Other Liberal]

I thought this thread would help demonstrate that the demand for racist examples in this country FAR out way the supply and in fact, are more often than not, completely fabricated in order to fit a narrative that is not based on present day reality.

The passive aggressive personal comments above also brought up an interesting point. Does there have to be a victim in order to have a racism?

Let's be clear. Solving the problem of systemic racism is extremely difficult because we prioritize the comfort, tranquility, and material well-being of white people over blacks. We hide behind notions of individualism, merit, cultural pathology, and anti statism. This relieves whites of responsibility for continuing inequality. Is there any wonder why people deny the reality in front of them.

 

[Bigdaddysaints]

So, no person on this planet back to the beginning of time should have any pride in their society then?

George Carlin said it best.
I don't think people really know the correct definition of the word Pride.

 

[Bigdaddysaints]

Can you name a society that outlawed slavery before the West did for good?
What about those societies that still have slavery, you obviously consider them sub-human as well, right?

A Google search will tell you there were societies WAY before the West that outlawed slavery, in Africa, Korea, China, some Eastern Europe countries (some don't consider EE the West) etc. Those societies don't technically exists anymore, but that doesn't mean their history isn't there..

 

[bird]

And yet, you typed exactly what was I was saying, so we know at least one leftist parrots what I 'claimed'.

Have a good Easter my friend.

Actually, I didn’t.

Incorrect but unsurprising. History is what history is. That you do not like it is irrelevant. The movement through time of humans including geographic movement, psychological development, sociological development, organizational development can be documented and should be as best as possible. Heinlein once wrote “you railroad when it comes time to railroad”. Societies are organized in manners best suited at the time. Changes occur when internal/external stresses force change. Change occurs along with the law of unintended consequences. Societies in very close geographic proximity encounter friction/stressors over access and allocation of natural resources. Generally, this has lead to the development of more lethal weaponry as well as increased study of tactics for gaining and controlling access to natural resources. The history of the world but Europe in particular as history in this country is Eurocentric is filled with war. Wars are committed with many cloaks to hide their true purpose. Religion is one of the most used as are claims of “liberating” fellow tribesmen located in land allegedly disputed.

Over and over the history of man is the history of war or perhaps violence is the best word. Western civilization did not invent colonization but they certainly perfected it. The entire Western Hemisphere as well as Africa and Australia exist as we know them only due to violence. Development of technology is morally neutral so Western Civilization has no claim of superiority due to such changes. Indeed technological change has occurred from many different places.

Application of technology is subject to the morality or lack thereof of those applying it.

Western Civilization is a chauvinistic term which ignores world history. Right now regressive RW tendencies are spreading around the world in reaction, imo, to the failure of political economy to meet the needs of the populace overlaid with charlatans proclaiming deity approved or morally sanctioned authority. Duterte, Bolsonaro, Erdogan, Modi, Putin, Le Pen, Xi Jinping, Trump are all examples of this. Clashes with RW extremists in Scandinavia are on the rise. Book burning/banning are on the rise.

Due to the flow of time it is impossible to state that a particular region or era is superior to any other. Humans have a remarkable tendency to do what they wish and damn the consequences. Trumpeting those things which you deem good while ignoring things which were bad is symptomatic of being human. Recognizing the bad results is critical to advancement of all humans as it shows a willingness to wanting to learn from mistakes. The history of the world and “Western Civilization” is littered with mistakes.

Btw, the schism in Christianity leading to Easter as determined by the Roman Church and Easter as determined by the Orthodox Church is a small example of the stupidity of humans within “Western Civilization”.

 

[el caliente]

Like John Cleese joked about, once we finally get to the bottom of slavery Italy and the Normans will be broke.

 

[Farb]

That's not what I said.

You did though.
Either you only think this country, society or civilization has committed acts of 'racism' and subjugation of 'people that don't look like them' or you are being willfully ignorant of all other societies rise into existence. Would you disagree?

 

[Farb]

Let's be clear. Solving the problem of systemic racism is extremely difficult because we prioritize the comfort, tranquility, and material well-being of white people over blacks. We hide behind notions of individualism, merit, cultural pathology, and anti statism. This relieves whites of responsibility for continuing inequality. Is there any wonder why people deny the reality in front of them.

Can you show me proof of current systemic racism in this country that give an advantage to white people over black people?

 

[Bigdaddysaints]

Can you show me proof of current systemic racism in this country that give an advantage to white people over black people?

we could post thousands of instances, studies, etc, but you would just cry Fake News on every one of them, so whats the point?

 

[Farb]

A Google search will tell you there were societies WAY before the West that outlawed slavery, in Africa, Korea, China, some Eastern Europe countries (some don't consider EE the West) etc. Those societies don't technically exists anymore, but that doesn't mean their history isn't there..

Did those outlaws of slavery pertain to specific type of religion or race? Did it last?
I think I read about a Chinese emperor that outlawed all slavery in the 900s but that lasted as long as he lived, about 20 years, and then slavery returned right there after.

 

[Farb]

we could post thousands of instances, studies, etc, but you would just cry Fake News on every one of them, so whats the point?

Give me 1 current law or statue that demonstrates racism in this country. If it is codified, then it it can't be doubt, correct?

 

[samiam5211]

Give me 1 current law or statue that demonstrates racism in this country. If it is codified, then it it can't be doubt, correct?

That is pretty much identical to the line used by people who opposed the end of segregation.

 

[Bigdaddysaints]

Give me 1 current law or statue that demonstrates racism in this country. If it is codified, then it it can't be doubt, correct?

How about this study? just a tip of the iceberg, and foud this within 30 seconds of looking....

Black men who commit the same crimes as white men receive federal prison sentences that are, on average, nearly 20 percent longer,

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/wonk/wp/2017/11/16/black-men-sentenced-to-more-time-for-committing-the-exact-same-crime-as-a-white-person-study-finds/

EDIT: If you took a couple more minutes, you would find similar studies that prove the same in public school system when it comes to discipline. I am not gonna link any articles because it'll be a waste of my time when you'll write it off as what ever excuse you'll come up with..

 

[DaveXA]

You did though.
Either you only think this country, society or civilization has committed acts of 'racism' and subjugation of 'people that don't look like them' or you are being willfully ignorant of all other societies rise into existence. Would you disagree?

No, no, yes.

 

[Farb]

That is pretty much identical to the line used by people who opposed the end of segregation.

Neat. Lets stay on target on this one.

 

[Farb]

How about this study? just a tip of the iceberg, and foud this within 30 seconds of looking....

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/wonk/wp/2017/11/16/black-men-sentenced-to-more-time-for-committing-the-exact-same-crime-as-a-white-person-study-finds/

EDIT: If you took a couple more minutes, you would find similar studies that prove the same in public school system when it comes to discipline. I am not gonna link any articles because it'll be a waste of my time when you'll write it off as what ever excuse you'll come up with..

Cool. Where would I find that in codified into law, otherwise, it really isn't systemic is it?

 

[Farb]

No, no, yes.

So you agree, every other civilization past and present is equal in racism and all the other 'ism' and 'ics' as the west?