All things Racist...USA edition (2 Viewers)

[Farb]

I was looking for a place to put this so we could discuss but didn't really find a place that worked so I created this thread so we can all place articles, experiences, videos and examples of racism in the USA.

This is one that happened this week. The lady even called and filed a complaint on the officer. This officer also chose to wear the body cam (apparently, LA doesn't require this yet). This exchange wasn't necessarily racist IMO until she started with the "mexican racist...you will never be white, like you want" garbage. That is when it turned racist IMO

All the murderer and other insults, I think are just a by product of CRT and ACAB rhetoric that is very common on the radical left and sadly is being brought to mainstream in this country.

Another point that I think is worth mentioning is she is a teacher and the sense of entitlement she feels is mind blowing.

https://news.yahoo.com/black-teacher-berates-latino-la-221235341.html

 

[bird]

Do you think Spain was the leader in 'new world' colonization and resource gathering? They were.

Did you know Spain was far from a capitalist society? In fact, Spain was backwards in relation to the rest of Europe at the time. So, maybe capitalism is not the evil backdrop to all the worlds problems like most academics in the early the 20th century claims it to be.

Acquisition of assets and profit-seeking of which capitalism which was defined by Adam Smith is but one example are the drivers behind the bulk of social ills since the beginning of time. Capitalism arose as a legally codified system particularly related to private ownership of property and the establishment of rules, regulations and laws governing transactions. Those rules, regulations and laws arise from government. Thus wealth seeks to coordinate those rules, regulations and laws for their benefit.

Finally, the concept of competition results in decreasing margins and lower returns. The economic exchange system of the bulk of the world requires infinite growth. Infinite growth is impossible which inevitably leads to social upheaval.

The actual term used to be political economy. So, yes, capitalism and the chaos it helps create are most definitely one of the root causes of the world’s ills.

 

[Farb]

You didn’t answer my questions and I never, ever, not once called you a white nationalist. But if you can read you know that. You just needed a convenient way to take the focus off of your statements and make yourself a victim again.

And I don’t believe for a minute you came to these conclusions about the superiority of “Western Civilization” by going to a legitimate history site.

It doesn’t take much reasoning to realize that the people you are following are using “Weastern Civilization” as a stand-in for “the white race” does it? Did that even cross your mind?

I am a victim and demand to be addressed as such! Relax, I was only joking.

I don't go to history sites, I read books.

So, it is your understanding that anytime someone says 'western civilization' and has a positive thought about it, it mush be 'white nationalism'? I will let you get back to the Joy Reid Show.

 

[MT15]

I am a victim and demand to be addressed as such! Relax, I was only joking.

I don't go to history sites, I read books.

So, it is your understanding that anytime someone says 'western civilization' and has a positive thought about it, it mush be 'white nationalism'? I will let you get back to the Joy Reid Show.

So, you sure enjoy putting words in my mouth.

What books did you read, please? I would like to take a look and see if they are indeed peddling the thought that Western Civilization is superior in all aspects to others.

And it would be nice if Western Civilization were defined. You including Greeks and Romans? I am a scientist, not a historian, so let me know what you are talking about with Western Civilization?

 

[Farb]

So, you sure enjoy putting words in my mouth.

What books did you read, please? I would like to take a look and see if they are indeed peddling the thought that Western Civilization is superior in all aspects to others.

And it would be nice if Western Civilization were defined. You including Greeks and Romans? I am a scientist, not a historian, so let me know what you are talking about with Western Civilization?

I don't think I put words in your mouth. Just trying to understand your thought process.

When did I say Western Civ is superior in all aspects to all others? I didn't. I just don't buy into that it is the most evil of all the others as painted broadly by anit-catholic 'historians'. And yes, the catholic church is tied deeply into the inherited morals of western civilization. Everything bad in this world is not tied to the West. In fact, the good overwhelmingly outweighs the bad. Drastically.

Yes, Western Civilization began with the Greeks I think. Roman, they are encompassed in it but really didn't contribute very much besides some engineering and concrete. The rise of technology actually kind of subsided during the Roman Empire so it was actually a pretty stagnant time for Western Civ much more than the 'dark ages'.

 

[MT15]

So point me to a book if you don’t mind. I do like reading about history just haven’t done it much lately.

My position wouldn’t be that Western Civilization is more evil than any others, just that it isn’t really inherently better. I do think capitalism has advantages over other economic models, as long as there are checks and balances, which is true of most things in life anyway.

It seems to me that Western Civilization the way you’re using it is very broad and covers a lot of ground. And even though you say you’re unaware of it, white nationalists have been using it for years to justify their racism. It’s been picked up lately by more mainstream but no less bigoted folks in the alt right.

 

[zztop]

No. That wasn't really a war. That was more of a genocide.

speaking of genocide

 

[MT15]

speaking of genocide

Sorry - but looking at that picture the only thing I could think about was - yep, “Tate” fits him.

 

[Farb]

So point me to a book if you don’t mind. I do like reading about history just haven’t done it much lately.

My position wouldn’t be that Western Civilization is more evil than any others, just that it isn’t really inherently better. I do think capitalism has advantages over other economic models, as long as there are checks and balances, which is true of most things in life anyway.

It seems to me that Western Civilization the way you’re using it is very broad and covers a lot of ground. And even though you say you’re unaware of it, white nationalists have been using it for years to justify their racism. It’s been picked up lately by more mainstream but no less bigoted folks in the alt right.

This is true. When I used the term Western Civ, I do use in in the broad sense.

It is wrong to be proud of your heritage, society or country? I always found that fundamentally strange and Maoist.
My point is that the left parrots the false notion that the world was a happy and peaceful place until the white man mobilized and colonized parts of the world and there for usher in a time of death, destruction and brutality. For proof, look at the our underlying grasp of slavery. We, as a culture, find if easy to explain away slavery (and racism actually) as the white (western civ) orginal sin. When in reality Western Civ, helped usher in all the things of the modern world that we all take for granted.

Since this is a thread on racism, do you think there is such a thing as black supremacy or black nationalism since you brought and bring up white nationalism?

As far as reading, Weber is a good start. You will like it, espesically his anti-catholic stance. Then I would suggest "How the West Won" by Rodney Stark. He does a good job poking holes and gaps in Weber's works, Stark is also far from a catholic, so he isn't following his religious world view or morals.

 

[SaulGoodmanEsq]

There's definitely such a thing as black supremacy and a corresponding movement. It's just trivial in popularity/traction compared to white supremacist movements.

 

[MT15]

Farb: Well, I don’t think the left makes any claim that the world was a happy place until the white man came. At least nobody serious about history makes that claim.

I think what you are reacting to is the fact that people are disputing the revisionist history that was taught in schools for decades: that native Americans were savages and when Europeans came they did not do anything in the way of brutality toward them. In truth, the Europeans essentially wiped the native Americans off the earth, using a great deal of cruelty and savagery themselves. It’s been called genocide, and I don’t think that’s unreasonable. That’s not to say all white people committed genocide against Native Americans, but it did happen in lots of places.

I don’t think it does any good to sugarcoat any historical facts. People are generally the same. A certain percentage are capable of truly barbaric evil actions, no matter where they come from. And I am not sure that the percentage is all that different between peoples. The customs and the way the societies are structured are different, but I do not think that white people would behave any differently than any other race, if they were part of certain societies.

After seeing what happened in Nazi Germany, I don’t know how anyone can think that certain populations are more enlightened than others.

Thoughts?

 

[MT15]

Also: which book by Weber, and which Weber for that matter, lol?

 

[DaveXA]

This is true. When I used the term Western Civ, I do use in in the broad sense.

It is wrong to be proud of your heritage, society or country? I always found that fundamentally strange and Maoist.
My point is that the left parrots the false notion that the world was a happy and peaceful place until the white man mobilized and colonized parts of the world and there for usher in a time of death, destruction and brutality. For proof, look at the our underlying grasp of slavery. We, as a culture, find if easy to explain away slavery (and racism actually) as the white (western civ) orginal sin. When in reality Western Civ, helped usher in all the things of the modern world that we all take for granted.

Since this is a thread on racism, do you think there is such a thing as black supremacy or black nationalism since you brought and bring up white nationalism?

As far as reading, Weber is a good start. You will like it, espesically his anti-catholic stance. Then I would suggest "How the West Won" by Rodney Stark. He does a good job poking holes and gaps in Weber's works, Stark is also far from a catholic, so he isn't following his religious world view or morals.

It's absolutely wrong to be proud of a sordid history where racism and slavery was allowed and even encouraged. When oppression of people who don't look like you and using power to steal what minorities rightfully owned, there's no redeeming quality to that world view. That not to say there aren't things worth celebrating and remembering, but the Confederacy is a stain on our nation's history, and what's worth remembering is how the CSA nearly destroyed the country. I'm a descendant of a high ranking official in the Confederate army, and there's nothing redeemable about what he did as a general.

 

[bird]

Sorry - but looking at that picture the only thing I could think about was - yep, “Tate” fits him.

He’s almost as punchable as Tucker Carlson.

 

[bird]

This is true. When I used the term Western Civ, I do use in in the broad sense.

It is wrong to be proud of your heritage, society or country? I always found that fundamentally strange and Maoist.
My point is that the left parrots the false notion that the world was a happy and peaceful place until the white man mobilized and colonized parts of the world and there for usher in a time of death, destruction and brutality. For proof, look at the our underlying grasp of slavery. We, as a culture, find if easy to explain away slavery (and racism actually) as the white (western civ) orginal sin. When in reality Western Civ, helped usher in all the things of the modern world that we all take for granted.

Since this is a thread on racism, do you think there is such a thing as black supremacy or black nationalism since you brought and bring up white nationalism?

As far as reading, Weber is a good start. You will like it, espesically his anti-catholic stance. Then I would suggest "How the West Won" by Rodney Stark. He does a good job poking holes and gaps in Weber's works, Stark is also far from a catholic, so he isn't following his religious world view or morals.

Bullschlitz. Absolute bullschlitz. Nobody, NOBODY, on the left parrots what you claim in your limited worldview. What is said is that humans under the guise of alleged progress have trampled millions. They have stolen that which did not belong to them because they wanted to. They pushed the “White Man’s Burden” to “civilize“ those who did not need civilizing and while doing so attempted to destroy cultures they did not understand and that did not fit their belief structure.

And let’s don’t forget pogroms against Jews, religious wars between Catholics and Protestants and power politics under the idiocy of God inspired/sanctioned rule. Putin is doing that now.

Yes, technological advances have occurred. What has been the price? What does development mean? What is the definition of underdevelopment? How has resource extraction impacted native populations? How has the environment been impact by western development? What has been the impact of “improved” armaments?

Finally, what is the definition of progress? Do I wish I lived when there were no antibiotics? No. Do I also recognize that change always is accompanied by the law of unintended consequences? Yes. The bullschlitz of trumpeting “Western Civilization” as something wonderful is idol worshipping at best and theomythology at worst.

 

[Optimus Prime]

Farb: Well, I don’t think the left makes any claim that the world was a happy place until the white man came. At least nobody serious about history makes that claim.

I think what you are reacting to is the fact that people are disputing the revisionist history that was taught in schools for decades: that native Americans were savages and when Europeans came they did not do anything in the way of brutality toward them. In truth, the Europeans essentially wiped the native Americans off the earth, using a great deal of cruelty and savagery themselves. It’s been called genocide, and I don’t think that’s unreasonable. That’s not to say all white people committed genocide against Native Americans, but it did happen in lots of places.

I don’t think it does any good to sugarcoat any historical facts. People are generally the same. A certain percentage are capable of truly barbaric evil actions, no matter where they come from. And I am not sure that the percentage is all that different between peoples. The customs and the way the societies are structured are different, but I do not think that white people would behave any differently than any other race, if they were part of certain societies.

After seeing what happened in Nazi Germany, I don’t know how anyone can think that certain populations are more enlightened than others.

Thoughts?

To expand on this schools incorrectly teach or at best imply that Native Americans lived in scattered teepees and Africans lived in mud huts (and therefore worth conquering?)

Both had thriving cities and some had populations that rivaled European cities

That had to have been to be known when I was in grade school but still the myths persist

 

[Optimus Prime]

From a few years ago
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It happened again. Nicholas Pilapil got an email clearly meant for his co-worker, Jonathan Castanien.

Previously, Pilapil had missed a meeting invitation because their white co-workers couldn’t tell them apart.


So they came up with a cheeky way to address the problem. Between their desks, Pilapil and Castanien hung a sign that read, “This company has worked __ days without an incident. Incorrect names are avoidable.”


Whenever a co-worker called one by the other’s name, they would reset the count to zero. During the six months or so that the sign was up, the count never exceeded 14 days, Pilapil said. In total, they were misidentified about 50 times.

Pilapil called Castanien his “work twin” — sarcastically, because they bear only a passing resemblance to each other.

Aside from being in their 20s, they don’t share many characteristics: Pilapil is Filipino, has fuller lips, a squarer jaw and a darker complexion than Castanien, who is Vietnamese, Chinese and German.


While their cubicles were next to each other, Pilapil worked in communications and Castanien worked in public relations. The only thing that could have prompted their colleagues’ confusion, Pilapil says, was that they both had Asian heritage.

Pilapil and Castanien’s experience is common.

When About Us asked people of color on Twitter for stories about being misidentified in predominantly white places, more than 400 people replied, including a digital marketing consultant whose client kept calling him by his gardener’s name and a professor whose student turned in a paper with the wrong professor’s name.

The implication is that, while white people are seen as individuals, other groups are often viewed as a monolith, with their race or ethnicity becoming the defining characteristic of who they are.


“If we just identify someone as a ‘black person,’ then that is how we are going to see them,” said Kareem Johnson, an associate professor of psychology at Temple University.


While many on the receiving end of this phenomenon say it’s another example of every day racism, it does not necessarily indicate negative racial attitudes, Johnson said.

Rather, it’s part of a larger cognitive problem called the cross-race effect — essentially, the impression that people of a race other than your own “all look the same.”
“We have much more difficulty recognizing people of a different racial group than we do our own,” he said……..

https://www.washingtonpost.com/nation/2019/05/02/co-workers-keep-mixing-up-people-color-office-its-more-than-mistake/

 

[Farb]

Also: which book by Weber, and which Weber for that matter, lol?

Amazon product ASIN 9352290135I found this one pretty good and thoughtful. This is the essay that got me reading this type of stuff a few years ago.

I have come to the conclusion that the cry of revisionist history is done by those that are actually doing the revising (the dark ages being a prime example). I think the movement was intentional for the most part and was driven by politics and ideology.

True, the history of the US being the best ever and did not wrong is incorrect but the the attempt to correct was an vast over correction. Now we are seeing, although not discussed as much as I think academia is in the process of 'circling the wagon' if you will, but progress is being made toward the truth of an actual historical presentation.

 

[Farb]

It's absolutely wrong to be proud of a sordid history where racism and slavery was allowed and even encouraged. When oppression of people who don't look like you and using power to steal what minorities rightfully owned, there's no redeeming quality to that world view. That not to say there aren't things worth celebrating and remembering, but the Confederacy is a stain on our nation's history, and what's worth remembering is how the CSA nearly destroyed the country. I'm a descendant of a high ranking official in the Confederate army, and there's nothing redeemable about what he did as a general.

So, no person on this planet back to the beginning of time should have any pride in their society then?