All things Racist...USA edition (2 Viewers)

[Farb]

I was looking for a place to put this so we could discuss but didn't really find a place that worked so I created this thread so we can all place articles, experiences, videos and examples of racism in the USA.

This is one that happened this week. The lady even called and filed a complaint on the officer. This officer also chose to wear the body cam (apparently, LA doesn't require this yet). This exchange wasn't necessarily racist IMO until she started with the "mexican racist...you will never be white, like you want" garbage. That is when it turned racist IMO

All the murderer and other insults, I think are just a by product of CRT and ACAB rhetoric that is very common on the radical left and sadly is being brought to mainstream in this country.

Another point that I think is worth mentioning is she is a teacher and the sense of entitlement she feels is mind blowing.

https://news.yahoo.com/black-teacher-berates-latino-la-221235341.html

 

[Farb]

So you are saying with certainty that if racism isn't coded in the law, it isn't practiced?

Now you are asking if people are racist. They are, but that doesn't make the system racist by default. Well, it shouldn't, but that is not the case here.

 

[Farb]

What constitutes "the system" in your view?

The same system you are referring too when you discuss how that system is infused with racism currently.

 

[cuddlemonkey]

The same system you are referring too when you discuss how that system is infused with racism currently.

bullshirt. You say there is no systemic racism. What makes up the system you are examining?

 

[Farb]

Not one person has said everything is racist. Why have a discussion when you insist on using hyperbole and strawmen to make your points? You ignore the ongoing racism in police profiling, inequal justice in the courts and blatantly prejudiced lending practices of banks. Is the US less racist than any other country? I'd argue it's not obvious. When people refuse to acknowledge that there is clearly inequalities in significant areas of our society, I don't see racial relations improving much.

If we are discussing policing, it is also important to look at population compared to violent crime. I am not sure the numbers hold up when you look at those. Same goes for 'unequal' justice of the courts. We are seeing a record number of violent criminals released only to be back in after more violent crime. I don't think race would apply, but I would not be surprised at all. The numbers are not out yet on that, I don't think. Whites tend to kill whites, blacks kill blacks. With the murder rate of black leaping this year since the pandemic, doesn't that by numbers indicate that more black will be arrested?
Banking practices when? Not currently.

 

[Farb]

bullshirt. You say there is no systemic racism. What makes up the system you are examining?

Why do you are try and argue the silliest things?
What system do you think I am examining? Brazil's? Do you think I am examining how racism impacts the local Greek population in Athens?

 

[cuddlemonkey]

Why do you are try and argue the silliest things?
What system do you think I am examining? Brazil's? Do you think I am examining how racism impacts the local Greek population in Athens?

I didn't ask which system, I asked what makes up the system, so stop shifting the goalposts.

 

[The Other Liberal]

Can you show me proof of current systemic racism in this country that give an advantage to white people over black people?

No because everyone here has already done that. I think the burden is on you to give a sound reason why none of the examples presented count as evidence. You have a personal or ideological investment in denying systemic racism.

 

[J-DONK]

If we are discussing policing, it is also important to look at population compared to violent crime. I am not sure the numbers hold up when you look at those. Same goes for 'unequal' justice of the courts. We are seeing a record number of violent criminals released only to be back in after more violent crime. I don't think race would apply, but I would not be surprised at all. The numbers are not out yet on that, I don't think. Whites tend to kill whites, blacks kill blacks. With the murder rate of black leaping this year since the pandemic, doesn't that by numbers indicate that more black will be arrested?
Banking practices when? Not currently.

Man, you can't believe this. There is empirical evidence that our society is still permeated with racism. It's ok though Farb. I honestly assume most conservatives don't like to admit this because it takes you down of path of exploring how the white middle class is exploited by the top 1% as well. No one wants to admit they've been a sucker their entire life.

Employers' Replies to Racial Names

www.nber.org

The secret bias hidden in mortgage-approval algorithms

An investigation by The Markup has found that lenders in 2019 were more likely to deny home loans to people of color than to white people with similar financial characteristics

abcnews.go.com

 

[brandon]

Now you are asking if people are racist. They are, but that doesn't make the system racist by default.

Who makes systems?

 

[BullSheetBuddha]

Cool. Where would I find that in codified into law, otherwise, it really isn't systemic is it?

Nonsense.

 

[Bigdaddysaints]

Now you are asking if people are racist. They are, but that doesn't make the system racist by default. Well, it shouldn't, but that is not the case here.

Well, when those people are in the system and are in charge of the system, wouldn't be the same thing?

 

[Optimus Prime]

I remember hearing about this story. I'd be interested in seeing this documentary

I also seem to recall similar and much more recent examples of this
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In 1984, Tracey Meares was on her way to becoming her Illinois high school’s first Black valedictorian, with the highest academic ranking at Springfield High. Instead, she was declared “top student” – alongside Heather Russell, a white student.

Thirty-eight years later, Meares is valedictorian at last, after she was finally presented with the title last Saturday after a screening of the documentary No Title for Tracey.

Directed by Maria Ansley, an Illinois film-maker, it tells a story of systematic racism in America. For Meares, now a legal scholar at Yale College of Law, the hurt is still fresh. “It was incredibly upsetting when I was 17. I remain angry about it today, and sad,” she said.

Meares recalls odd events in the lead-up to graduation. She says a white assistant principal was caught removing her file from a cabinet in the school counselor’s office.

“I was called to my counselor’s office, and she told me what had happened. She said she put a lock on the file cabinet to keep anyone from getting in there again and tampering with my school record,” Meares has said.

Meanwhile, according to Meares’ father, Robert Blackwell, the school’s administrators began introducing Russell to different service clubs as the school’s top graduating senior.

As graduation neared, Springfield High chose to pivot from its tradition of naming valedictorians and salutatorians, and to opt instead for “top students”. Eight years later, in 1992, it resumed using the original titles.

Although the incident was well known among the Black community in Springfield, Blackwell chose not to publicize it. “How do you protect your children when there’s so much harm that will come based on their race, and only their race?” he told the Illinois Times years later...........

Black high school valedictorian honored 38 years after ‘incredibly upsetting’ snub

 

[Optimus Prime]

Guess I'll put this here

so anything done to help black owned business is racist against white businesses
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(Bloomberg) -- Uber Technologies Inc.’s insistence on arbitrating customer disputes may have backfired in the face of a conservative campaign challenging the company’s move to boost Black-owned businesses after George Floyd’s murder.

The firm of William Consovoy, a lawyer best-known for representing former President Donald Trump, used social media to enlist customers who claimed Uber Eats’s 2020 waiver of delivery fees for Black-owned restaurants constituted “unlawful reverse discrimination” against those ordering from other businesses and ultimately filed more than 31,000 individual demands for arbitration.

Last week, a New York appeals court ruled that Uber had to pay the American Arbitration Association an invoice of nearly $11 million to deal with the Consovoy firm’s claims. The total is expected to top $91 million in fees alone, an amount Uber called “astronomical.”...........

Trump Lawyer Sticks Uber With $91 Million Arbitration Bill for 'Reverse Bias' Claims

 

[Optimus Prime]

This sounds like a systemic issue, yes?
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Black people are about twice as likely to develop Alzheimer’s disease as White people, but for years the pharmaceutical industry has mostly left them out of trials intended to prove new drugs are safe and effective.

Brian Van Buren, a 71-year-old retired flight attendant, knows what that feels like. He’s been living with Alzheimer’s since 2015. Over the years he has tried to join numerous trials, but he says he’s been turned down every time. In some cases he’s been told his other health issues—he suffers from diabetes, hypertension, and sleep apnea—rule him out. At other times, he says, he was turned away for not having a nearby partner or caregiver.

“I have been rejected for every trial,” says Van Buren, who is Black.

A Bloomberg News analysis of 83 Alzheimer’s disease drug trials shows Van Buren is no anomaly: Only 2% of patients included in trials reported in the past decade were Black. Bloomberg’s analysis of minority enrollment looked at more than 50,000 participants in drug industry and government-sponsored trials to treat or prevent Alzheimer’s whose results were posted on the government website clinicaltrials.gov or published in major medical journals.

Two trials organized by Biogen Inc. for its drug Aduhelm, the first Alzheimer’s drug approved in almost two decades, were among those with the lowest Black representation. Only 19 people, or 0.6%, of 3,285 participants in its two final-stage trials identified themselves as Black. According to government statistics, 9.6% of Americans 65 and older are Black...........

Alzheimer’s and other brain-wasting diseases have emerged as a new frontier of medicine. The FDA approved Aduhelm in June amid controversy over its efficacy, and similar drugs are in the late stages of trial. A drug that works even modestly well for Alzheimer’s could reap many billions of dollars in sales, with the Black population potentially accounting for an important portion of the market. The Alzheimer's Association estimates that older Black people are about twice as likely to have Alzheimer's or related dementia as older White individuals.

And in a study of more than 1.8 million older people treated at Veterans Health Administration medical centers, Black veterans were 54% more likely to be diagnosed with dementia over about 10 years than White veterans, while Hispanic patients were 92% more likely to develop dementia, according to results published in the Journal of the American Medical Association on April 19th.

Bloomberg’s analysis also found very low representation of Hispanic people in trials of Parkinson’s disease drugs. Critics contend doctors can’t possibly know the safety and efficacy of new drugs among diverse populations if drug trials include few of them. Black individuals, for example, are more likely to have a gene called APOE4 that predisposes people to Alzheimer’s as well as side effects (including brain swelling) of some Alzheimer’s drugs. In the U.S., Black people are also more likely to have preexisting conditions such as diabetes and vascular conditions that could affect how the drugs work..........

Alzheimer’s Trials Exclude Black Patients at ‘Astonishing’ Rate

Black people are more prone than White people to develop Alzheimer’s yet represent only 2% of those in clinical trials.

www.bloomberg.com

 

[coldseat]

Last week, a New York appeals court ruled that Uber had to pay the American Arbitration Association an invoice of nearly $11 million to deal with the Consovoy firm’s claims. The total is expected to top $91 million in fees alone, an amount Uber called “astronomical.”

But the court said in its Thursday ruling that Uber was bound by its own bargain.

“While Uber is trying to avoid paying the arbitration fees associated with 31,000 nearly identical cases, it made the business decision to preclude class, collective, or representative claims in its arbitration agreement with consumers and AAA’s fees are directly attributable to those decisions,” the court said.

Arbitration is generally seen as more business-friendly than litigation, and Uber has aggressively defended its right to require customers and workers to arbitrate disputes instead of filing lawsuits.

That's certainly not true universally true. My boss in the mid-sized engineering firm I work has a company policy that we try to remove arbitration from any contract for services we sign with larger engineering firms as sub-consultants or with Contractors on developer jobs. He reminds us often in our project status meetings to be on the look out for arbitration as a dispute resolution tool in our contracts. The main complaint is that larger entities often try to make the smaller party responsible for paying arbitration fees (or splitting them) and that arbitrators have no incentive to reach a timely/speeds decision since they're paid by the hour. The financial incentive for the arbitrator is against reaching a conclusion, so arbitration cases often go on for a long time and end up costing a lot of money in fees. Where as the threat of litigation often forces parties into an agreed resolution to ward of the worst case possibilities of damages.

It's interesting to see a larger company get bit in the arse like that by arbitration fees, I wonder if that will change things. Of course it would be for all the wrong reasons in this situation as those complaints should be thrown out, but that's typical USA.

 

[Farb]

No because everyone here has already done that. I think the burden is on you to give a sound reason why none of the examples presented count as evidence. You have a personal or ideological investment in denying systemic racism.

So the onus is on me to prove that something that does not exist actually does not exist? Yeah, no thanks.
Sadly, I did that exercise here already for the sake of honest dialogue, so feel free to look up those posts.

 

[BullSheetBuddha]

This sounds like a systemic issue, yes?
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And in a study of more than 1.8 million older people treated at Veterans Health Administration medical centers, Black veterans were 54% more likely to be diagnosed with dementia over about 10 years than White veterans, while Hispanic patients were 92% more likely to develop dementia, according to results published in the Journal of the American Medical Association on April 19th.

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Alzheimer’s Trials Exclude Black Patients at ‘Astonishing’ Rate

Black people are more prone than White people to develop Alzheimer’s yet represent only 2% of those in clinical trials.

www.bloomberg.com

Wow

This may explain some of the black veterans:

Black individuals, for example, are more likely to have a gene called APOE4 that predisposes people to Alzheimer’s

But 92% more likely to develop dementia for Hispanic veterans? There must be other factors involved. I can't believe that would play out in the general population.

 

[Farb]

Man, you can't believe this. There is empirical evidence that our society is still permeated with racism. It's ok though Farb. I honestly assume most conservatives don't like to admit this because it takes you down of path of exploring how the white middle class is exploited by the top 1% as well. No one wants to admit they've been a sucker their entire life.

Employers' Replies to Racial Names

www.nber.org

The secret bias hidden in mortgage-approval algorithms

An investigation by The Markup has found that lenders in 2019 were more likely to deny home loans to people of color than to white people with similar financial characteristics

abcnews.go.com

Nah, I am fully aware how the middle class has been duped by the wealthy in our society. The failing by our government and elites to protect the middle class, for their gain, is the main reason our society is on the steep decline. That is why I constantly yell 'both sides' but we know how that goes with the all the enlightened.
I consider myself low to middle class and I can tell you, buying a home is damn near impossible for me. Rent is getting so far out of hand that is equal to a mortgage and with corporations buying up real estate, it puts the 'american dream' out of reach for just about all americans. So maybe it isn't racism but classism. That could be something I have started to explore.