All things political. Coronavirus Edition. (13 Viewers)

[Maxp]

I fear we are really going to be in a bad place due to the obvious cuts to the federal agencies that deal with infectious disease, but also the negative effect the Affordable Care act has had on non urban hospitals. Our front line defenses are ineffectual and our ability to treat the populous is probably at an all time low. Factor in the cost of healthcare and I can see our system crashing. What do you think about the politics of this virus?

 

[Beach Friends]

His own 401k
Then another said ‘mine too’

Those statements were made in the context of a thread discussing the economy tanking as the result of a pandemic.

 

[GMRfellowtraveller]

Those statements were made in the context of a thread discussing the economy tanking as the result of a pandemic.

no 'welcoming' no 'rooting' -just a few posters on the wrong side of this discussion looking for ways to derail the conversation rather than mea culpa about their spectacularly bad choice in president

yes, we know, 'how dramatic"
an excellent comeback

 

[Joe Okc]

I'm not jumping on you Joe, but how about we choose someone with the slightest bit of qualifications? This is akin to a good job Brownie moment. Maybe we can choose someone who specializes in infectious disease or disaster response, maybe a transportation background?

Not trying to debate that.Just saying that maybe he's heading up that team with those people... Eisenhower wasn't Allied Commander in Chief because he was a great tactical general...

I really dont care at this point. Someone needed to be in charge.

That's what's happening. At least someone is on it...

 

[Beach Friends]

no 'welcoming' no 'rooting' -just a few posters on the wrong side of this discussion looking for ways to derail the conversation rather than mea culpa about their spectacularly bad choice in president

yes, we know, 'how dramatic"
an excellent comeback

Ah, so that's what the problem is. You had what I thought was an overly cute post, I pointed it out in the briefest kind of way and you are still upset.

Sorry about that.

 

[Joe Okc]

-just a few posters on the wrong side of this discussion looking for ways to derail the conversation rather than mea culpa about their spectacularly bad choice in president

Bwwhhaahahaha... Still blaming Trump supporters for the Democrats nominating a terrible candidate...

If the dems nominate Sanders and Trump wins again in 2020, you gonna blame us for that too?

Bwaahhaha

Luv ya Guido. I have nothing against you but man, you are gonna have to admit the Democrats at this point look like a train going downhill with no brakes....

 

[GMRfellowtraveller]

Ah, so that's what the problem is. You had what I thought was an overly cute post, I pointed it out in the briefest kind of way and you are still upset.

Sorry about that.

We have a new kitten- she did that cat thing where she’ll run in front of you and stop - in the mornings, when it’s dark sometimes I accidentally kick her

And sometimes I reply to your posts

 

[JimEverett]

and yet people still arriving from Korea.

Untested.

And the sell-off wasnt a direct response to Apples guidance warnings. I think you got your tech cos mixed up too.

I don't think Presidents or even presidential administrations are in the business of determining who will be tested for diseases. Now if the CDC or even a state agency tasked with controlling communicable diseases raised a concern that everyone flying in from Korea needed to be tested and were blocked from doing so by the Administration then I would say there is at least the beginning of an argument for presidential inaction. But I don't think that has happened here.

And I do think Apple's guidance played a large role in the selloff. Regardless, I am not sure how anyone can make the argument that the selloff has been due to the President's response.

 

[GMRfellowtraveller]

Bwwhhaahahaha... Still blaming Trump supporters for the Democrats nominating a terrible candidate...

If the dems nominate Sanders and Trump wins again in 2020, you gonna blame us for that too?

Bwaahhaha

Luv ya Guido. I have nothing against you but man, you are gonna have to admit the Democrats at this point look like a train going downhill with no brakes....

K you try this rhetorical device quite often - you can’t defend Trump so you tree yourself and bark about dem candidates
Here’s the thing - there’s no transitive property involved- your feelings about Clinton (or Bernie) don’t make Trump worth anything
There is no metric you’ve ever offered that shows what qualities/skills/accomplishments trump has that makes him better
And it’s simpky bc there aren’t any
You’re probably a more qualified candidate than Trump (I would vote for you over trump and to know I like very few if your platforms but they are ALL better than what trump offers)

 

[Beach Friends]

We have a new kitten- she did that cat thing where she’ll run in front of you and stop - in the mornings, when it’s dark sometimes I accidentally kick her

And sometimes I reply to your posts

Fabulous.

 

[efil4]

I don't think Presidents or even presidential administrations are in the business of determining who will be tested for diseases. Now if the CDC or even a state agency tasked with controlling communicable diseases raised a concern that everyone flying in from Korea needed to be tested and were blocked from doing so by the Administration then I would say there is at least the beginning of an argument for presidential inaction. But I don't think that has happened here.

And I do think Apple's guidance played a large role in the selloff. Regardless, I am not sure how anyone can make the argument that the selloff has been due to the President's response.

So that I'm clear in understanding you here... You are saying that POTUS nor Administration make the determination as to who gets tested. As that falls under the guise of the CDC/state agencies.

The same CDC that was gutted 18 months ago. The infectious disease council that was gutted 18 months ago. By whom?

Ultimately the CDC and every other federal agency has a boss. That boss is POTUS.

You know this. And you also know that if this had been taken seriously from the outset, that the CDC and state agencies tasked with monitoring and assessment would not have rolled out defective testing kits, have the proper protocol already in pace to test those that enter this country from a high risk country. This is still happening and it's already here. There is a difference between proactive and reactive. But you know this as well.

As for market. I'm not sure where you make the full leap that Trump is responsible for the TOTALITY. Fear and uncertainty is. And when POTUS spoke thursday evening, there was absolutely no indication that he had a clue about Coronavirus. Still comparing to the flu. Which it's not. But you already know this as well. Shoot by the end of that presser we had another verified case lol

Day after Dr. Fauci is told and public statement has to be approved by the Administration. Yes the head of National Allergy and Infectious disease agency has to get APPROVAL for what he has to say to the American people. Speech writers will determine what will be said.


So what does he do today? Announces he is mulling ANOTHER tax cut 10 min before bell and has Powell come out 90 min before bell to hint at rare cut.

Still not a word about protecting US citizens. Just about market. A tax cut. Lololol.

He's a joke. And yeah the sell off is in part due to his inability to be a President. Ask any saavy investor. His job at a time like this is to calm the waters. He can't. Has no idea how.

And that's what is really scary.

I'm just waiting for the "helluva job Trump" moment.

Oh wait..... RUSH trotted that out today.

 

[The moose]

The thing that is sad is that junkie and his junkie problems took his hearing. Yet we still have to hear him stuff like that makes me question if we have a God.

Rush would be locked under the jail if he was anyone else.

The how the Dems want this mantra is sick.

 

[The moose]

Talking about the overall tone of the thread, but there have been at least two who have said they would welcome a stock market crash.

I appreciate those who aren't rooting for disaster.

If you are talking about me.

I am a realist. This is what should happen in a world health crisis.

I am also of the camp that thinks the market would have never gotten to this place with out trillions in tax cuts that inflated the market.

And no I don't want people to die from this.

 

[JimEverett]

So that I'm clear in understanding you here... You are saying that POTUS nor Administration make the determination as to who gets tested. As that falls under the guise of the CDC/state agencies.

The same CDC that was gutted 18 months ago. The infectious disease council that was gutted 18 months ago. By whom?

When did the CDC get gutted? I think you are getting info from some bad sources.

Financing to both CDC and NIH have increased: https://apnews.com/d36d6c4de29f4d04...f1w-K9g591g2MCuxQWFq1VqPjuYulxhzzxTs7aAr6FRIs

Ultimately the CDC and every other federal agency has a boss. That boss is POTUS.

Sure, but POTUS doesn;t make decisions like who to test - those types of decisions have been made by practitioners and experts who have debated the issue and set the standards.

You know this. And you also know that if this had been taken seriously from the outset, that the CDC and state agencies tasked with monitoring and assessment would not have rolled out defective testing kits, have the proper protocol already in pace to test those that enter this country from a high risk country. This is still happening and it's already here. There is a difference between proactive and reactive. But you know this as well.

Not sure how defective kits are somehow evidence of the President lack of response.

As for market. I'm not sure where you make the full leap that Trump is responsible for the TOTALITY.

I didn;t make the leap. if you would read, I was reponding to a post that said the market was responding to the President's inaction.

Fear and uncertainty is. And when POTUS spoke thursday evening, there was absolutely no indication that he had a clue about Coronavirus. Still comparing to the flu. Which it's not. But you already know this as well. Shoot by the end of that presser we had another verified case lol

The market had been declining days before the President's address - "but you already knew that" yetcontinue to blame THAT for the market's decline????

Day after Dr. Fauci is told and public statement has to be approved by the Administration. Yes the head of National Allergy and Infectious disease agency has to get APPROVAL for what he has to say to the American people. Speech writers will determine what will be said.

Is that an example of inaction? Seems not to me. I mean we can debate the merits of that, but being inaction or a lack of response it is not.[/QUOTE][/QUOTE]

 

[SaintForLife]

When did the CDC get gutted? I think you are getting info from some bad sources.

Financing to both CDC and NIH have increased: https://apnews.com/d36d6c4de29f4d04...f1w-K9g591g2MCuxQWFq1VqPjuYulxhzzxTs7aAr6FRIs


Sure, but POTUS doesn;t make decisions like who to test - those types of decisions have been made by practitioners and experts who have debated the issue and set the standards.

Not sure how defective kits are somehow evidence of the President lack of response.

I didn;t make the leap. if you would read, I was reponding to a post that said the market was responding to the President's inaction.



The market had been declining days before the President's address - "but you already knew that" yetcontinue to blame THAT for the market's decline????

Is that an example of inaction? Seems not to me. I mean we can debate the merits of that, but being inaction or a lack of response it is not.

Yes he is wrong about the CDC being gutted. It's a Democrat talking point.

MIKE BLOOMBERG: “There’s nobody here to figure out what the hell we should be doing. And he’s defunded — he’s defunded Centers for Disease Control, CDC, so we don’t have the organization we need. This is a very serious thing.” — debate Tuesday night.

JOE BIDEN, comparing the Obama-Biden administration with now: “We increased the budget of the CDC. We increased the NIH budget. ... He’s wiped all that out. ... He cut the funding for the entire effort.”

THE FACTS: They’re both wrong to say the agencies have seen their money cut. Bloomberg is repeating the false allegation in a new ad that states the U.S. is unprepared for the virus because of “reckless cuts” to the CDC. Trump’s budgets have proposed cuts to public health, only to be overruled by Congress, where there’s strong bipartisan support for agencies such as the CDC and NIH. Instead, financing has increased.

Indeed, the money that government disease detectives first tapped to fight the latest outbreak was a congressional fund created for health emergencies.

Some public health experts say a bigger concern than White House budgets is the steady erosion of a CDC grant program for state and local public health emergency preparedness — the front lines in detecting and battling new disease. But that decline was set in motion by a congressional budget measure that predates Trump.

AP FACT CHECK: Democrats distort coronavirus readiness

WASHINGTON (AP) — Democratic presidential contenders are describing the federal infectious-disease bureaucracy as rudderless and ill-prepared for the coronavirus threat because of budget cuts and ham-handed leadership by President Donald Trump.

apnews.com

 

[Maxp]

Cuts to Prevention and Public Health Fund Puts CDC Programs at Risk

Reductions from the budget passed today and a $750-million shift of funds to the Children’s Health Insurance Program add pressure to public health initiatives, including immunizations and outbreak responses.

www.google.com

Congress funded the CDC despite Trump's proposals to cut funding. However, the Trump administration reallocated some of the funding. Specifically, combatting infectious disease in known hotspots, including China. Was Trump able to cut CDC funding with his proposed budget? It doesn't look that way from there outside. Did he weaken our ability to deal with our current situation by reallocating funds and removing positions and people? Absolutely. Let's all hope he corrects these shortfalls.

 

[Maxp]

The United States badly bungled coronavirus testing—but things may soon improve

A faulty reagent in a test kit and bureaucratic hurdles have slowed testing for the virus that causes COVID-19

www.sciencemag.org

Complete administrative shirt show. Brought to us by Trump's CDC.

 

[efil4]

When did the CDC get gutted? I think you are getting info from some bad sources.

Financing to both CDC and NIH have increased: https://apnews.com/d36d6c4de29f4d04...f1w-K9g591g2MCuxQWFq1VqPjuYulxhzzxTs7aAr6FRIs


Sure, but POTUS doesn;t make decisions like who to test - those types of decisions have been made by practitioners and experts who have debated the issue and set the standards.

Not sure how defective kits are somehow evidence of the President lack of response.

I didn;t make the leap. if you would read, I was reponding to a post that said the market was responding to the President's inaction.



The market had been declining days before the President's address - "but you already knew that" yetcontinue to blame THAT for the market's decline????

Is that an example of inaction? Seems not to me. I mean we can debate the merits of that, but being inaction or a lack of response it is not.

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Oh no I don't blame his address for market decline. I blame if for allowing it to continue.

As evidenced by his 350pm "I'm mulling tax cuts" statement to stave off yet another day of 1000 pt loss.

As to all that other quoting, I'm on my phone and 2nd bourbon, and don't feel like this back and forth. As I stated early on, you have your mind already made up. You can choose to discount all that out there and lay blame wherever you like. But for me it's simple.

Enjoy your evening Jim.

 

[MT15]

Not trying to debate that.Just saying that maybe he's heading up that team with those people... Eisenhower wasn't Allied Commander in Chief because he was a great tactical general...



That's what's happening. At least someone is on it...

It would be nice if he would maybe cancel his big money fundraiser appearances, then, and actually get on it. Or institute some actual transparency so we the people can be informed from one voice, instead of piecemeal by states and local governments. In the past 24 hours we have learned that the virus is basically loose in Northern California and now Oregon. We learned that from the states at the same time Trump is telling his rally that there are 15 cases and they’re all getting better. And blaming democrats for focusing on the virus.

We have learned that someone in the Administration defied CDC recommendations about the transport of potentially infected American citizens. We also learned that federal workers sent to greet infected evacuees were not trained nor provided proper equipment to prevent their own infection.

The CDC itself has developed a test that doesn’t work, and we don’t seem to know if or when they will fix it, further aiding the spread of the virus. And the administration isn’t letting us in on this situation either.

So, no, this administration isn’t really doing a good job with this. Not with messaging. Probably not with anything about it.