All things political. Coronavirus Edition. (2 Viewers)

[Maxp]

I fear we are really going to be in a bad place due to the obvious cuts to the federal agencies that deal with infectious disease, but also the negative effect the Affordable Care act has had on non urban hospitals. Our front line defenses are ineffectual and our ability to treat the populous is probably at an all time low. Factor in the cost of healthcare and I can see our system crashing. What do you think about the politics of this virus?

 

[SaulGoodmanEsq]

I haven't ready any articles re: vaccinated vs. non-vaccinated capacity to spread but my intuition is that vaccinated will spread less simply based on the fact that if they contract COVID, their symptoms will be minor or non-existent. I.E., they won't be sneezing all over people.

 

[Paul]

I haven't ready any articles re: vaccinated vs. non-vaccinated capacity to spread but my intuition is that vaccinated will spread less simply based on the fact that if they contract COVID, their symptoms will be minor or non-existent. I.E., they won't be sneezing all over people.

A US-based study has recently compared the viral load in vaccinated and unvaccinated individuals who have been infected with the delta variant of severe acute respiratory syndrome coronavirus 2 (SARS-CoV-2).

The findings reveal that vaccinated and unvaccinated individuals exhibit similar viral loads following delta infection and that vaccine breakthrough cases have the potential to transmit infection to others. The study is currently available on the medRxiv* preprint server.

Unvaccinated and vaccinated have similar viral load in communities high in SARS-CoV-2 delta

The findings reveal that vaccinated and unvaccinated individuals exhibit similar viral loads following delta infection and that vaccine breakthrough cases have the potential to transmit infection to others. The study is currently available on the medRxiv* preprint server.

www.news-medical.net

I would agree that common sense dictates that infected vaccinated people should have a lower viral load, but perhaps this only applies to the non-delta variant.

 

[MT15]

There is a recent study that is a page back or so. It was posted by me, and shows that the vaccinated do not spread the virus as much as the unvaccinated done by actual contact tracing. This study assumes that viral load is directly related to contagiousness, which is an assumption. The effect does wane over time, so breakthrough cases further out from vaccination may be more contagious.

‘Conclusions Vaccination reduces transmission of Delta, but by less than the Alpha variant. The impact of vaccination decreased over time. Factors other than PCR-measured viral load are important in vaccine-associated transmission reductions. Booster vaccinations may help control transmission together with preventing infections.’

The impact of SARS-CoV-2 vaccination on Alpha & Delta variant transmission

Background Pre-Delta, vaccination reduced transmission of SARS-CoV-2 from individuals infected despite vaccination, potentially via reducing viral loads. While vaccination still lowers the risk of infection, similar viral loads in vaccinated and unvaccinated individuals infected with Delta...

www.medrxiv.org

 

[Paul]

There is a recent study that is a page back or so. It was posted by me, and shows that the vaccinated do not spread the virus as much as the unvaccinated done by actual contact tracing. This study assumes that viral load is directly related to contagiousness, which is an assumption. The effect does wane over time, so breakthrough cases further out from vaccination may be more contagious.

‘Conclusions Vaccination reduces transmission of Delta, but by less than the Alpha variant. The impact of vaccination decreased over time. Factors other than PCR-measured viral load are important in vaccine-associated transmission reductions. Booster vaccinations may help control transmission together with preventing infections.’

The impact of SARS-CoV-2 vaccination on Alpha & Delta variant transmission

Background Pre-Delta, vaccination reduced transmission of SARS-CoV-2 from individuals infected despite vaccination, potentially via reducing viral loads. While vaccination still lowers the risk of infection, similar viral loads in vaccinated and unvaccinated individuals infected with Delta...

www.medrxiv.org

Thanks for the info!

 

[zztop]

A look at who is still not vaccinated against COVID

Conservative media sometimes blame the problem of the unvaccinated on people of color, but the data show vaccine resistance is mostly about red America and younger adults now.

www.axios.com

By the numbers: 59% of the unvaccinated are Republicans, 64% are white and 46% have a high school education or less. More than half of the unvaccinated live in suburbs with another 27% living in rural areas.

Between the lines: These unvaccinated adults tend towards COVID denialism and often see their decision not to get the vaccination as an expression of their personal freedom.

The intrigue: Then there is another group who also make up a significant share of the unvaccinated: younger adults. Nearly 40% of the unvaccinated are 30–49 years old and another 27% are 18–29.

These are the groups who get a lot of their COVID information from social media and are particularly prone to myths and misinformation. They will make the critical decisions about vaccination of the next big group of unvaccinated Americans, children.

 

[J-DONK]

A look at who is still not vaccinated against COVID

Conservative media sometimes blame the problem of the unvaccinated on people of color, but the data show vaccine resistance is mostly about red America and younger adults now.

www.axios.com

By the numbers: 59% of the unvaccinated are Republicans, 64% are white and 46% have a high school education or less. More than half of the unvaccinated live in suburbs with another 27% living in rural areas.

Between the lines: These unvaccinated adults tend towards COVID denialism and often see their decision not to get the vaccination as an expression of their personal freedom.

The intrigue: Then there is another group who also make up a significant share of the unvaccinated: younger adults. Nearly 40% of the unvaccinated are 30–49 years old and another 27% are 18–29.

These are the groups who get a lot of their COVID information from social media and are particularly prone to myths and misinformation. They will make the critical decisions about vaccination of the next big group of unvaccinated Americans, children.

That article is bad.

By contrast, 14% are Black, 16% are Hispanic, and 27% live in cities.

Would anyone like to take a guess at American's overall demographic breakdowns?

My main take away is minorities vaccine hesitancy is no worse then the overall white population.

The follow-up would be why? How does the African American population match a older, more conservative white population in vaccine hesitancy? My guess is the difference in age demographics? It's an interesting topic, but this article came at the topic with a very obvious preconceived opinion.

FYI, this is coming from a guy who spends plenty of time in HCA. I have no empathy for the vaccine hesitant crowd at this point.

 

[zztop]

That article is bad.



Would anyone like to take a guess at American's overall demographic breakdowns?

My main take away is minorities vaccine hesitancy is no worse then the overall white population.

The follow-up would be why? How does the African American population match a older, more conservative white population in vaccine hesitancy? My guess is the difference in age demographics? It's an interesting topic, but this article came at the topic with a very obvious preconceived opinion.

FYI, this is coming from a guy who spends plenty of time in HCA. I have no empathy for the vaccine hesitant crowd at this point.

I don't know if it is bad, I don't think it says anything that most people haven't guessed or figured out by now.
As for AA hesitancy matching conservative white population in vaccine hesitancy... the reasons are different or maybe one could say the mindset is different regarding reluctance.

 

[DJ1BigTymer]

Texas Gov. Greg Abbott orders a ban on all COVID-19 vaccine mandates in the state

Monday's executive order prohibits any entity, including private business, from enforcing a COVID-19 vaccine mandate on workers. Previously, Abbott banned mandates by public employers.

www.npr.org

"No entity in Texas can compel receipt of a COVID-19 vaccine by any individual, including an employee or a consumer, who objects to such vaccination for any reason of personal conscience, based on a religious belief, or for medical reasons, including prior recovery from COVID-19," Abbott wrote in his order.

I thought we were supposed to be against Government telling private companies how to conduct their business?

 

[SaulGoodmanEsq]

Texas Gov. Greg Abbott orders a ban on all COVID-19 vaccine mandates in the state

Monday's executive order prohibits any entity, including private business, from enforcing a COVID-19 vaccine mandate on workers. Previously, Abbott banned mandates by public employers.

www.npr.org

I thought we were supposed to be against Government telling private companies how to conduct their business?

Pandering to anti-science yokels ranks above economic libertarianism.

 

[samiam5211]

Texas Gov. Greg Abbott orders a ban on all COVID-19 vaccine mandates in the state

Monday's executive order prohibits any entity, including private business, from enforcing a COVID-19 vaccine mandate on workers. Previously, Abbott banned mandates by public employers.

www.npr.org

I thought we were supposed to be against Government telling private companies how to conduct their business?

It is only ok when the business is discriminating against people who are likely to vote for their party.

 

[Paul]

It is only ok when the business is discriminating against people who are likely to vote for their party.

The right sees the left as authoritarian. That is at the root of this issue.

 

[samiam5211]

The right sees the left as authoritarian. That is at the root of this issue.

Extremism is the problem. Extremists are the enemy of freedom regardless of which end of the spectrum they occupy.

 

[Paul]

Extremism is the problem. Extremists are the enemy of freedom regardless of which end of the spectrum they occupy.

That is correct Sam!

 

[samiam5211]

That is correct Sam!

I figured you would be happy to see some both sidesing.

 

[SaintForLife]

 

[samiam5211]

Get vaccinated to make you safer from covid, or refuse it and be protected from socialism. Seems like a win/win.

 

[Farb]

https://www.actionnewsjax.com/news/...ol-center-weather/OHOVJKKIHNHOHBNKHVVBZA34YI/

Is this really a 'strike' or bad weather delays?

Fingers crossed this is a strike and it spreads to all industries over the vaccine mandate.

 

[brandon]

https://www.actionnewsjax.com/news/...ol-center-weather/OHOVJKKIHNHOHBNKHVVBZA34YI/

Is this really a 'strike' or bad weather delays?

Fingers crossed this is a strike and it spreads to all industries over the vaccine mandate.

How very organized labor socialism of you.