All things political. Coronavirus Edition. (13 Viewers)

[Maxp]

I fear we are really going to be in a bad place due to the obvious cuts to the federal agencies that deal with infectious disease, but also the negative effect the Affordable Care act has had on non urban hospitals. Our front line defenses are ineffectual and our ability to treat the populous is probably at an all time low. Factor in the cost of healthcare and I can see our system crashing. What do you think about the politics of this virus?

 

[MT15]

The Mayor's office is claiming that the information was released timely and was not hidden. I am not sure if that is true or not. It seems odd that if it is true why the news reporter needed a FOIA process to obtain the information from the Mayor's office.
But even if it was released earlier, it is troubling to me how there is seemingly this pick of winners and losers in these shutdowns. In Nashville, for instance, the evidence seems to show that construction was a big spreader, and yet the mayor did not shut that sector down.
It is sort of similar to how businesses and churches are forced to close by mayors who invite protestors into their cities. And I am sure many cities have these sorts of winner businesses and losers.

People who work in the meat packing industry were also left defenseless in almost every state. Most led by Republican governors.

Your phrase “inviting protestors” seems a bit odd, how do you mean that? What would inviting protestors look like to you? Which mayors did it?

 

[JimEverett]

Omaha, a fairly conservative city shut down churches and businesses but didn’t invite protestors. That is a blanket statement you made and really isn’t based on fact, just disdain for large cities who almost all closed businesses and churches.

The mayor of Nashville invited protestors - so did many other cities.
In Nashville the protestors ended up damaging many businesses that the mayor had closed. And they weren't social distancing as they destroyed businesses and set fire to the courthouse.
Many mayors invited protests to their cities while forcing businesses and churches, among other things, to shut down.

 

[JimEverett]

Your phrase “inviting protestors” seems a bit odd, how do you mean that? What would inviting protestors look like to you? Which mayors did it?

Mayor Cooper urges people to join him at ‘I Will Breathe’ rally in Nashville Saturday

NASHVILLE, Tenn. (WKRN) — Mayor John Cooper posted to Twitter on Saturday morning, urging the people of Nashville to join him for the ‘I Will Breathe’ rally. Groups taking part in…

www.wkrn.com

 

[Nebaghead]

The mayor of Nashville invited protestors - so did many other cities.
In Nashville the protestors ended up damaging many businesses that the mayor had closed. And they weren't social distancing as they destroyed businesses and set fire to the courthouse.
Many mayors invited protests to their cities while forcing businesses and churches, among other things, to shut down.

What other cities and Mayors. You pointed out one. Your statement makes it appear these mayors were inviting wanton destruction of their cities while infringing on liberties of others. This is misleading and complete garbage.

 

[The moose]

Lmao.
Dennis Ferrier is fairly well respected in the Nashville area and virtually anyone with knowledge of the situation knew that WSMV's "fabrication" reason for terminating his employment was cover for their discriminatory practices. They fired several people - including highly respected Demetrius Kaladimos and have paid everyone they fired, including Ferrier, handsomely for their discrimination.

Yeah the fake news or Nashville deep state got him I guess? Yep big bad liberal news pooped on his name. Sure I buy that one.

like I said when this is covered by someone without a completely suspect record we then have a story.

 

[EmBeeFiveOhFour]

Does he know that he’s president of the whole country?

 

[LA - L.A.]

It is sort of similar to how businesses and churches are forced to close by mayors who invite protestors into their cities.

Can you provide citations of mayors who invited protestors into their cities?

I'm aware of mayors allowing their constituents to protest, but I'm not aware of any mayors who actively invited people from other places to come and protest in their cities.

 

[JimEverett]

What other cities and Mayors. You pointed out one. Your statement makes it appear these mayors were inviting wanton destruction of their cities while infringing on liberties of others. This is misleading and complete garbage.

There are plenty of examples of what I talking about. A couple that readily come to mind:

Seattle Mayor expressed support for the Capitol Hill Autonomous Zone - 6 city blocks that saw 5 shootings and two deaths in less than 10 days. https://www.politico.com/news/2020/06/12/seattle-protests-autonomous-zone-315149
She also has continuously expressed support for the protestors.

Bill De Blasio made protestors essentially an essential service while outlawing religious services, funerals, etc. Even after the violence that ensued fro the protests.

 

[LA - L.A.]

Mayor Cooper urges people to join him at ‘I Will Breathe’ rally in Nashville Saturday

NASHVILLE, Tenn. (WKRN) — Mayor John Cooper posted to Twitter on Saturday morning, urging the people of Nashville to join him for the ‘I Will Breathe’ rally. Groups taking part in…

www.wkrn.com

How do you get "mayors invited protestors into their cities" from " Mayor John Cooper posted to Twitter on Saturday morning, urging the people of Nashville to join him for the ‘I Will Breathe’ rally. "

That's one mayor, not mayors, inviting people from his city, not protestors from outside their city, to join him at a rally. Now maybe outsiders showed up and caused the problems you claimed, but it's highly inaccurate to state that this is an example and proof of any "mayor inviting protestors into their city."

 

[LA - L.A.]

There are plenty of examples of what I talking about. A couple that readily come to mind:

Seattle Mayor expressed support for the Capitol Hill Autonomous Zone - 6 city blocks that saw 5 shootings and two deaths in less than 10 days. https://www.politico.com/news/2020/06/12/seattle-protests-autonomous-zone-315149
She also has continuously expressed support for the protestors.

That's another example of a mayor showing support for their constuents that were protesting. The major condemn the vandalism and violence and did not invite protestors from other places to come to their city to protest.

Bill De Blasio made protestors essentially an essential service while outlawing religious services, funerals, etc. Even after the violence that ensued fro the protests.

Again, mayor supported constituents right to protest, condemned vandalism and violence.

It seems that you are upset that churches were restricted and are exaggerating mayors' responses to protests due to your upset about churches being restricted. It would make for a more compelling complaint if you didn't exaggerate mayors' responses to lodge your complaint about mayors restricting churches.

 

[The moose]

You know this is just about the most horrible thing they could have done.

When your government sends you masks and asked you to wear them it would have done major things stopping the spread.

Nobody will go to jail in this administration but all kinds deserve to for the epic failing and total lack of leadership.

 

[zztop]

A Chinese virologist claimed the coronavirus was 'intentionally' released. Turns out, she works for a group led by Steve Bannon.

A strange paper claims China engineered and released the coronavirus. Its authors work for a group once led by the former Trump strategist Steve Bannon.

www.businessinsider.com

How interesting, and I am sure it is just a coincidence

 

[The moose]

A Chinese virologist claimed the coronavirus was 'intentionally' released. Turns out, she works for a group led by Steve Bannon.

A strange paper claims China engineered and released the coronavirus. Its authors work for a group once led by the former Trump strategist Steve Bannon.

www.businessinsider.com

How interesting, and I am sure it is just a coincidence

Yep I am sure a former employee of Steve Bannon is completely on the up and up.

Surely that story is not planted to make one party have a boogie man to blame rather than the lack of leadership.

 

[GrandAdmiral]

Not surprising info but good it’s coming from someone who was on the task force
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Washington (CNN) - A former top aide to Vice President Mike Pence assailed President Donald Trump's response to the pandemic in a new video Thursday, adding to the growing list of former Trump administration officials who have criticized the President and, in several cases, endorsed his Democratic opponent Joe Biden.

Olivia Troye, who was a homeland security adviser to Pence and his lead staffer on the White House's Coronavirus Task Force, charged in the two-minute video that Trump failed to protect the American public because he only cared about himself and getting reelected. Troye's criticism is particularly striking because of her role working on the coronavirus task force, which Pence leads.

"We knew that there were going to be increasing cases, we knew that people were going to die," said Troye, who left the White House in late July. "But the President didn't want to hear that, because his biggest concern was that we were in an election year, and how was this going to affect what he considered to be his record of success?"...........

https://www.cnn.com/2020/09/17/poli...-coronvirus-task-force-slams-trump/index.html

I'm sure she's a disgruntled employee. Nothing to see here, folks. Move along.

 

[Taurus]

Jesus H Traitorous Christ. Time for the firing squad.

 

[JimEverett]

That's another example of a mayor showing support for their constuents that were protesting. The major condemn the vandalism and violence and did not invite protestors from other places to come to their city to protest.

Again, mayor supported constituents right to protest, condemned vandalism and violence.

It seems that you are upset that churches were restricted and are exaggerating mayors' responses to protests due to your upset about churches being restricted. It would make for a more compelling complaint if you didn't exaggerate mayors' responses to lodge your complaint about mayors restricting churches.

The religious example is a good point because the free exercise of religion is an enumerated right just like the right to assemble (in fact, the right to assemble is part of the right to express your religion - at least collectively). So it lays bare the fact that mayors in many circumstances are in fact "inviting" protests in that they are claiming they are "allowed" while religious services are not.
Picking something like the right to earn a living might not jive with certain people simply because it is not enumerated.
I mean it is not difficult to see that there is a certain political advantage to having the protests - hence so many mayoral expressions of support while using the power of government to shut down so many other aactivities.

 

[wardorican]

The religious example is a good point because the free exercise of religion is an enumerated right just like the right to assemble (in fact, the right to assemble is part of the right to express your religion - at least collectively). So it lays bare the fact that mayors in many circumstances are in fact "inviting" protests in that they are claiming they are "allowed" while religious services are not.
Picking something like the right to earn a living might not jive with certain people simply because it is not enumerated.
I mean it is not difficult to see that there is a certain political advantage to having the protests - hence so many mayoral expressions of support while using the power of government to shut down so many other aactivities.

I know of many religious assemblies that moved to outdoor spaced events to comply with requirements. It's not the religion, it's the indoors and lots of contact. Bars fall under the same thing.

Protests and demonstrations have a lot of contact, but are mitigated by outdoors. It seems to not cause big spikes, or any. Also, most folks are masked. There are exceptions, of course. Honestly, there might be some political advantage, but I think it was more fear of being unable to have any control if you tried to suppress it, or you'll really have problems down the road. It's like telling your wife to relax, especially when something real actually happened.

I think you were better off just staying focused on the mayor of Nashville, because I'd assume you know more about the specifics there, since you're in Tennessee.

 

[MT15]

It muddies the point a little, at least to me, when you take into consideration that online church services were encouraged, and that many church members took part in the protests. I would assume that outdoor church services could have been held, but I don’t know that for sure.

Edit, and Ward knows that happened evidently.

Bottom line, freedom of religion wasn’t cancelled. It simply took other forms.