All things political. Coronavirus Edition. (2 Viewers)

[Maxp]

I fear we are really going to be in a bad place due to the obvious cuts to the federal agencies that deal with infectious disease, but also the negative effect the Affordable Care act has had on non urban hospitals. Our front line defenses are ineffectual and our ability to treat the populous is probably at an all time low. Factor in the cost of healthcare and I can see our system crashing. What do you think about the politics of this virus?

 

[surada]

Navajo Nation in portions of my state has been hit extremely hard by the disease. I have a friend who owns a distillery who brought thousands of gallons of disinfectant down to the area to help. They are now implementing a 57 hour lockdown.

Navajo Nation spends weekend on strict 57-hour lockdown as virus death toll rises

Even essential businesses must remain closed as the entire tribe enters a strict lockdown for Memorial Day weekend.

www.cbsnews.com

Dear God.. those poor people.

 

[cuddlemonkey]

We can’t put the complete blame on Trump because he does surround himself with people of the same mindset, and when they’re all telling you that this is the way and this is the truth well then you tend to believe it.At least this was the case at the beginning of his presidency and the people that went against his mindset are no longer there.

We can blame Trump for surrounding himself with yes people, right?

 

[surada]

We can’t put the complete blame on Trump because he does surround himself with people of the same mindset, and when they’re all telling you that this is the way and this is the truth well then you tend to believe it.At least this was the case at the beginning of his presidency and the people that went against his mindset are no longer there.

I don't think that's true.. Trump doesn't listen to his advisors at all.. and he has fired anyone who wasn't intimidated and submissive. He's still firing people who don't agree with him. How can you doubt it after his threats to punish non compliant governors?

 

[surada]

Those are the facts in all of this.

The best thing bush ever did was get us ready for what we are dealing with right now and we completely drop the ball.

Trump put Jared Kushner in charge.. Trump was disinterested.

 

[gummbo]

I don't think that's true.. Trump doesn't listen to his advisors at all.. and he has fired anyone who wasn't intimidated and submissive. He's still firing people who don't agree with him. How can you doubt it after his threats to punish non compliant governors?

I believe hear the operative word is advisers, you’re right most of the advisers to try to write the ship or now gone. The only people that agree with him are his immediate family that he has put in charge of departments that they have no experience in. I.e. Jared Kushner,It’s like asking Stevie Wonder to give you a ride to the store in the next thing you know you’re both in the hospital.

 

[surada]

I believe hear the operative word is advisers, you’re right most of the advisers to try to write the ship or now gone. The only people that agree with him or his immediate family that he has put in charge of situations that they have no experience in. I.e. Jared Kushner,It’s like asking Stevie Wonder to give you a ride to the store in the next thing you know you’re both in the hospital.

That's for sure.. Such staggering ego and stupidity.

 

[gummbo]

That's for sure.. Such staggering ego and stupidity.

I seriously doubt that stupidity has any to do with it, at this point I would consider it more level of evil and the word jealousy comes in to play Knowing that he will never achieve the level of respect that to his predecessor got from the general public. His actions are childlike and impetuous. And he thinks with his wallet.

 

[surada]

I seriously doubt that stupidity has any to do with it, at this point I would consider it more level of evil and the word jealousy comes in to play Knowing that he will never achieve the level of respect that to his predecessor got from the general public. His actions are childlike and impetuous. And he thinks with his wallet.

Well said. IMO Trump will never measure up against any president. Richard Branson spoke about Trump before Trump was elected. He said Trump was NOT a businessman and he said Trump was vindictive. He expected to be bailed out and would punish those who failed to bail him out. WE have to stop lying to ourselves. Trump is NO patriot.


Richard Branson publishes scathing letter from Donald Trump
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/...
Oct 01, 2017 · Richard Branson, billionaire owner of the Virgin Group (PA) Richard Branson has revealed details of his long-running feud with Donald Trump, publishing a …

 

[gummbo]

Well said. IMO Trump will never measure up against any president. Richard Branson spoke about Trump before Trump was elected. He said Trump was NOT a businessman and he said Trump was vindictive. He expected to be bailed out and would punish those who failed to bail him out. WE have to stop lying to ourselves. Trump is NO patriot.


Richard Branson publishes scathing letter from Donald Trump
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/...
Oct 01, 2017 · Richard Branson, billionaire owner of the Virgin Group (PA) Richard Branson has revealed details of his long-running feud with Donald Trump, publishing a …

And yet unfortunately middle America is still under the impression that this guy is the end-all be-all to saving the rest of us when in reality he is responsible for the deaths of over 100,000 people and not just due to the virus but to his various other actions around the world or Lack of action rather.

 

[surada]

And yet unfortunately middle America is still under the impression that this guy is the end-all be-all to saving the rest of us when in reality he is responsible for the deaths of over 100,000 people and not just due to the virus but to his various other actions around the world or Lack of action rather.

That's a very sad commentary on America.

No one ever went broke underestimating the intelligence of the American people. People can easily be persuaded to accept the most inferior ideas or useless products; attributed to H. L. Mencken.

 

[Intensesaint]

And yet unfortunately middle America is still under the impression that this guy is the end-all be-all to saving the rest of us when in reality he is responsible for the deaths of over 100,000 people and not just due to the virus but to his various other actions around the world or Lack of action rather.

And yet unfortunately middle America is still under the impression that this guy is the end-all be-all to saving the rest of us when in reality he is responsible for the deaths of over 100,000 people and not just due to the virus but to his various other actions around the world or Lack of action rather.

So Trump is responsible for every COVID-19 death?

I'm gonna head out. This place is done.

 

[gummbo]

So Trump is responsible for every COVID-19 death?

I'm gonna head out. This place is done.

Don’t take my response so literally, waiting two months to take action in allowing this virus to spread? Yes I would put the outcome on his shoulders.

 

[insidejob]

So Trump is responsible for every COVID-19 death?

I'm gonna head out. This place is done.

What other POTUS has ever not claimed responsibility for deaths on US soil on their watch, especially when they could have done much more to prevent the deaths than they did and instead called it a Democrat hoax predicting that all of the science was wrong and didn't do anything to shut things down until it was a lot later than it should have been? Stay at home orders nationwide one week earlier would have saved an additional 36,000 lives according to the estimate I read recently.

Bush didn't "take no responsibility" for 9/11. That's the reason Trump isn't seeing a big spike in his polling numbers, like every other president has in the event of a response to a national disaster. Bush even owned up to a bad response to Katrina after all was said and done. While something like 40% of Fox News viewers blame Obama for the Katrina response.

 

[gummbo]

What other POTUS has ever not claimed responsibility for deaths on US soil on their watch, especially when they could have done much more to prevent the deaths than they did and instead called it a Democrat hoax predicting that all of the science was wrong and didn't do anything to shut things down until it was a lot later than it should have been? Stay at home orders nationwide one week earlier would have saved an additional 36,000 lives according to the estimate I read recently.

Bush didn't "take no responsibility" for 9/11. That's the reason Trump isn't seeing a big spike in his polling numbers, like every other president has in the event of a response to a national disaster. Bush even owned up to a bad response to Katrina after all was said and done. While something like 40% of Fox News viewers blame Obama for the Katrina response.

Too bad Intensesaint is off-line,I would like to hear his response to this.

 

[surada]

Don’t take my response so literally, waiting two months to take action in allowing this virus to spread? Yes I would put the outcome on his shoulders.

I agree. Trump was not interested in the virus.. He dismissed it and then finally began blaming.. He blamed China, the CDC, W.H.O... then Obama.

 

[N.O.Bronco]

I agree. Trump was not interested in the virus.. He dismissed it and then finally began blaming.. He blamed China, the CDC, W.H.O... then Obama.

I honestly struggle, and welcome anyone to the plate to take a swing, where, in terms of minimizing or containing the spread of the virus, Trump directly took a proactive measure as opposed to a late reactive measure? Even the China ban, if he was listening to his internal intelligence, made that decision a day late and a dollar short.

He seemed to have not held up procurement of emergency supplies leading into the pandemic, he was months behind the curve taking even initial action, in the heart of it he was making haphazard, counter-intuitive, self-defeating, often politically motivated decisions. Now he is trying to force the country open too soon and we are poised to see a new spike. Where he still hasn’t gotten a working containment strategy in place to manage it.

Is he responsible for all 100,000 deaths? I know for sure one thing though, he is where the buck stops for our country and his poor decision-making and leadership has made him the single largest contributing factor to our current situation. And no amount of deflectionary Obama conspiracies, culture warring, the faux outrage of the week, or attempts to spark a new Cold War with China is going to change that.

 

[MT15]

Guys, I found this Twitter thread to be very informative. Every doctor I know has recommended wearing a mask to protect others in public, and maintaining social distance. Hopefully this hasn’t already been posted, I don’t have the time to catch up completely. It’s not a terribly long thread but a good one:

 

[surada]

I honestly struggle, and welcome anyone to the plate to take a swing, where, in terms of minimizing or containing the spread of the virus, Trump directly took a proactive measure as opposed to a late reactive measure? Even the China ban, if he was listening to his internal intelligence, made that decision a day late and a dollar short.

He seemed to have not held up procurement of emergency supplies leading into the pandemic, he was months behind the curve taking even initial action, in the heart of it he was making haphazard, counter-intuitive, self-defeating, often politically motivated decisions. Now he is trying to force the country open too soon and we are poised to see a new spike. Where he still hasn’t gotten a working containment strategy in place to manage it.

Is he responsible for all 100,000 deaths? I know for sure one thing though, he is where the buck stops for our country and his poor decision-making and leadership has made him the single largest contributing factor to our current situation. And no amount of deflectionary Obama conspiracies, culture warring, or attempts to spark a new Cold War with China is going to change that.

There really was no China ban nor any "democratic backlash".. 430,000 US citizens returned to the US on direct flights from China and were not quarantined followed by an additional 40,000 who also were not quarantined. Trump was NOT proactive. By Jan 20th he had expedited 17tons of donated masks and ventilators to China.. Those didn't belong to the US government but were private donations. He then made excuses that the virus was limited to 15 people and would soon disappear. He then blamed Obama for not leaving him adequate tests for the covid19 virus even though there was NO covid 19 virus until December 2019.

His response to the pandemic was chaotic and sloppy. He was preoccupied with campaign rallies and his reelection.

He was tweeting and on TV every day, yet he couldn't get anything done.