All things political. Coronavirus Edition. (20 Viewers)

[Maxp]

I fear we are really going to be in a bad place due to the obvious cuts to the federal agencies that deal with infectious disease, but also the negative effect the Affordable Care act has had on non urban hospitals. Our front line defenses are ineffectual and our ability to treat the populous is probably at an all time low. Factor in the cost of healthcare and I can see our system crashing. What do you think about the politics of this virus?

 

[Beach Friends]

Honestly, any honest person would take that on on the face as correct. So there is not a bacteria that we know about Staph?

I think the implication is that he thinks antibiotics will work on a virus. Personally, I don't think that's a charitable interpretation of what he said. I think he transitioned and was making the point there is a natural selection for mutations that are resistant to pharmaceutical treatment.

 

[Beach Friends]

Bill Maher is right occasionally. China deserves to be blamed. It's no surprise that this virus came from China, and specifically because China allows wet markets:

 

[UncleTrvlingJim]

Trump is extraordinarily inarticulate and even at the best of times is not concerned with technical details. If the purpose of these briefings is to convey information to the American public, wouldn't it be best if he stuck to brief prepared marks, and then let the technical experts handle the rest?

 

[Saintamaniac]

Trump is extraordinarily inarticulate and even at the best of times is not concerned with technical details. If the purpose of these briefings is to convey information to the American public, wouldn't it be best if he stuck to brief prepared marks, and then let the technical experts handle the rest?

That's just it. His purpose is not to convey information. His purpose is the convey misinformation. This is why he responds the way he does when asked legitimate questions about claims he's made where he knows he's been exposed as lying. We get the most information when Fausi speaks and to some degree the surgeon general. Everything else about those daily press conferences is trump lying in response to questions and him putting out the message he wants to put out which is that he and his team has done a great job.

 

[dtc]

https://www.dailywire.com/news/iran...navirus-numbers-a-bitter-joke-not-trustworthy

China's best buddy is getting a little frustrated by the numbers between towing the company line and pushing Chinese propaganda.

Are you trying to explain away the gross incompetence of this administration by telling us China isn't honest? If so, go try to ram a wet noodle through a water hose, it's not selling.

China has never been trustworthy. For Trump to blame them for his refusal to accept, hear or even pay attention to his own intelligence apparatus is the story. China lying, is par for the course. Believing them or using the pretense of believing them as an excuse for undermining the safety and security of Americans is is inexcusable.

 

[dtc]

If China did lie about the number of deaths, then would it not make sense that they lied about the number of cases, too, making it many times what was reported?

I spent an hour on the phone last night with a friend who's BIL lives in China. He lives in a highrise apartment surrounded by highrises. He walks 2 blocks to work and back.

He detailed that nearly ever building has scanners for body temp and that if you're over 101 you are sent to the hospital for evaluation and quarantine.

Drastic measures like that may have been possible to result in the crazy small number of tests, but that combined with official lies are the likely truth.

 

[brandon]

I think the implication is that he thinks antibiotics will work on a virus.

This is one of the reasons I’ve been so hesitant about commenting on the hydroxychloroquine/azithromycin trials.

Hydroxychloroquine is an anti-malarial. Malaria is caused by a parasite, not a virus.

Azithromycin is an antibiotic. It kills bacterial infections, not viruses.

So either there’s some crossover here in what is effective on both viruses and bacteria/other parasites, or the trials of these drugs have been a waste of time from the very beginning.

 

[Beach Friends]

This is one of the reasons I’ve been so hesitant about commenting on the hydroxychloroquine/azithromycin trials.

Hydroxychloroquine is an anti-malarial. Malaria is caused by a parasite, not a virus.

Azithromycin is an antibiotic. It kills bacterial infections, not viruses.

So either there’s some crossover here in what is effective on both viruses and bacteria/other parasites, or the trials of these drugs have been a waste of time from the very beginning.

I know the Z is not intended to treat the virus. It's used to mitigate secondary complications.

The malaria drugs, as I understand it, were believed to be effective against corona viruses back when SARS was a thing. I can't say why.

 

[FullMonte]

I think the implication is that he thinks antibiotics will work on a virus. Personally, I don't think that's a charitable interpretation of what he said. I think he transitioned and was making the point there is a natural selection for mutations that are resistant to pharmaceutical treatment.

That might make sense, except that he specifically said: “the germ has gotten to brilliant that the anti-antibiotic can't keep up with it."

I can see no way to interpret that other than Coronavirus is too smart to be killed by an antibiotic.

 

[zztop]

China has never been trustworthy.

Yeah, gotta agree. Anyone read how there were a few people that tried to warn china of all this and they were silenced? I think one or two disappeared while a doctor actually contracted the virus and died from it. China tried to suppress the info at first.. and honestly I think they are russia are downplaying how many have contracted it or died from it. I also wonder about india b/c that is a densely packed country, so I can only guess it'll run like wildfire over there

 

[The moose]

This is one of the reasons I’ve been so hesitant about commenting on the hydroxychloroquine/azithromycin trials.

Hydroxychloroquine is an anti-malarial. Malaria is caused by a parasite, not a virus.

Azithromycin is an antibiotic. It kills bacterial infections, not viruses.

So either there’s some crossover here in what is effective on both viruses and bacteria/other parasites, or the trials of these drugs have been a waste of time from the very beginning.

Yeah exactly.

Never went to school for it but sure learned enough with a wife in nursing school to look stuff up.

I have no idea how this is supposed to a work unless it just handles symptoms until your body can beat the virus.

I know they also had exceptionally good results with massive amounts of vitamin c. No problem eating a bunch of citrus and taking extra vitamins.

 

[Optimus Prime]

President Trump often speaks of federal payments coming to many Americans as an act of his own benevolence, calling the bipartisan stimulus legislation “a Trump administration initiative” and reportedly musing about printing his thick-and-jagged signature on the government checks.

Trump touts the deployment of the USS Comfort to New York Harbor in personal terms, saying it was his choice to allow the hulking Navy hospital ship to be used to for coronavirus patients — and even traveling to “kiss it goodbye” before its trek north.

And Trump talks about the Strategic National Stockpile of ventilators and medical equipment being shipped to hard-hit states as if it were his own storage unit, with governors saying they recognize that in turn they are expected to tread gingerly with him or risk jeopardizing their supply chain.

As Americans confront a pandemic and struggle to slow the spread of the novel coronavirus, Trump has placed himself at the center as their patron. The president has sought to portray himself as singularly in charge — except for when things go wrong. In those instances, he has labored to blame others and avoid accountability.

Day after day, in his self-constructed role of wartime president, the task Trump seems to relish most is spreading cash and supplies across a beleaguered and anxious nation.

“Honestly, people should respect, because nobody has ever seen anything like what we’ve done,” Trump said this week, a point he has been making regularly.

Trump’s approach may be by design. With his reelection campaign all but paused during the country’s stay-at-home spring, Trump’s confidants and allies say he is trying to earn political points by taking credit in any way he can for his handling of the pandemic.

Trump’s efforts have personalized the humanitarian crisis mission of the federal government to a remarkable and perhaps unprecedented degree, yet another way in which this president has shattered norms about the use of executive power.

“Trump has cast himself in the role of generous monarch who is saying, ‘I have given you this, dear subjects’ — and it’s a remarkably selfish and self-referential performance,” historian Jon Meacham said. “It’s our money, for goodness sake,” he added, referring to taxpayers. “It’s not his money.”.................….

MSN

www.msn.com

 

[wardorican]

Honestly, any honest person would take that on on the face as correct. So there is not a bacteria that we know about Staph?

Are you suggesting that "This is very complex, this is a very brilliant enemy ... now one of the biggest problems the world has, the germ has gotten so brilliant, that the antibiotic can't keep up with it" is a reference to staphylococcus, not COVID-19?

I do this he got off track and starting thinking Antibiotics 'fix all germs' vs just bacterial infections, and then worked his way to correctly talking about people having surgeries getting staph infections.

But, in any case, c'mon. He was being nonsensical. I think you're extending far too much benefit of the doubt.

 

[wardorican]

This is one of the reasons I’ve been so hesitant about commenting on the hydroxychloroquine/azithromycin trials.

Hydroxychloroquine is an anti-malarial. Malaria is caused by a parasite, not a virus.

Azithromycin is an antibiotic. It kills bacterial infections, not viruses.

So either there’s some crossover here in what is effective on both viruses and bacteria/other parasites, or the trials of these drugs have been a waste of time from the very beginning.

The Antibiotic is more to stave off Pneumonia.

I think the Hydroxychloroquine has an immune suppressing characteristic, that would slow down the body's immune response, which causes a lot of inflammation. It's also been recently observed as a potentially broad anti viral med.

Remdesivir and chloroquine effectively inhibit the recently emerged novel coronavirus (2019-nCoV) in vitro - Cell Research

www.nature.com

Chloroquine, a widely-used anti-malarial and autoimmune disease drug, has recently been reported as a potential broad-spectrum antiviral drug.8,9 Chloroquine is known to block virus infection by increasing endosomal pH required for virus/cell fusion, as well as interfering with the glycosylation of cellular receptors of SARS-CoV.10 Our time-of-addition assay demonstrated that chloroquine functioned at both entry, and at post-entry stages of the 2019-nCoV infection in Vero E6 cells (Fig. 1c, d). Besides its antiviral activity, chloroquine has an immune-modulating activity, which may synergistically enhance its antiviral effect in vivo. Chloroquine is widely distributed in the whole body, including lung, after oral administration. The EC90 value of chloroquine against the 2019-nCoV in Vero E6 cells was 6.90 μM, which can be clinically achievable as demonstrated in the plasma of rheumatoid arthritis patients who received 500 mg administration.11 Chloroquine is a cheap and a safe drug that has been used for more than 70 years and, therefore, it is potentially clinically applicable against the 2019-nCoV.

 

[Saintamaniac]

Are you trying to explain away the gross incompetence of this administration by telling us China isn't honest? If so, go try to ram a wet noodle through a water hose, it's not selling.

@dtc you couldn't have called it any better because that's exactly what Mitch McConnell, the US senator that pushes legislation that favors Moscow because he is in bed with them, Linsey Graham and the rest of the Republicans intend to do as they are already in full swing.

Graham in blistering attack on China, threatens debt default

Republican senators are ratcheting up support for claims by US President Donald Trump that China and the World Health Organization are to blame for the Covid-19 pandemic

www.bignewsnetwork.com

From the article

WASHINGTON, DC - In what appears to be a concerted attempt to divert blame from the Trump administration's handling of the coronavirus pandemic, Republican senators are ratcheting up support for claims by U.S. President Donald Trump that China and the World Health Organization are to blame.

"The first thing I want to do is get the United States Senate on the record where we don't blame Trump , we blame China," he told Sean Hannity of Fox News.

 

[Intensesaint]

I think the Hydroxychloroquine has an immune suppressing characteristic, that would slow down the body's immune response, which causes a lot of inflammation. It's also been recently observed as a potentially broad anti viral med.

It staves off the body's own Cytokine Storm which is often fatal in patients that experience it.

Cytokine storm

Diseases such as covid-19 and influenza can be fatal due to an overreaction of the body's immune system called a cytokine storm. Cytokines are small proteins released by many different cells in the body, including those of the immune system where they coordinate the body's response against...

www.newscientist.com

 

[The moose]

It staves off the body's own Cytokine Storm which is often fatal in patients that experience it.

Cytokine storm

Diseases such as covid-19 and influenza can be fatal due to an overreaction of the body's immune system called a cytokine storm. Cytokines are small proteins released by many different cells in the body, including those of the immune system where they coordinate the body's response against...

www.newscientist.com

This all makes perfect sense it counteracts a major symptoms of the virus. Your body still has to beat the virus.

That also makes sense that it would only work for some people. Because only some people experience the Cytokine Storm

We certainly need a vaccine because without one we will be dealing with this for a long time.

 

[zztop]

(this challenge certainly backfired)

"I challenge you: Show me the 60 Minutes episode a year ago, two years ago, or during the Obama administration, during the Bush administration, that said, 'Hey, global pandemic's coming, you gotta do X, Y, and Z, and by the way, we would shut down the entire global economy to fight it.' Show me that episode, then you'll have some credence in terms of attacking the Trump administration for not being prepared."