All Things LGBTQ+ (4 Viewers)

[Farb]

Didn't really see a place for this so I thought I would start a thread about all things LGBTQ since this is a pretty hot topic in our culture right now

https://www.cnbc.com/2021/06/17/sup...y-that-refuses-to-work-with-lgbt-couples.html

• The Supreme Court on Thursday delivered a unanimous defeat to LGBT couples in a high-profile case over whether Philadelphia could refuse to contract with a Roman Catholic adoption agency that says its religious beliefs prevent it from working with same-sex foster parents.
• Chief Justice John Roberts wrote in an opinion for a majority of the court that Philadelphia violated the First Amendment by refusing to contract with Catholic Social Services once it learned that the organization would not certify same-sex couples for adoption.

I will admit, I was hopeful for this decision by the SCOTUS but I was surprised by the unanimous decision.

While I don't think there is anything wrong, per se, with same sex couples adopting and raising children (I actually think it is a good thing as it not an abortion) but I also did not want to see the state force a religious institution to bend to a societal norm.

 

[cuddlemonkey]

Please quote where I said anything about anti-trans laws. I am not going to have an honest discussion with someone who isn't going to be honest. If you make up small things you make up all things.

I made my point abundantly clear. Your attitude, based on your quoted statements, is the kind of attitude that leads down that path. It is a path of fear and ignorance. You did not say you support anti-trans laws, but your attitude is what leads to those laws being crafted and enacted.

 

[horse2H5]

I made my point abundantly clear. Your attitude, based on your quoted statements, is the kind of attitude that leads down that path. It is a path of fear and ignorance. You did not say you support anti-trans laws, but your attitude is what leads to those laws being crafted and enacted.

If you say so. I think the discussion needs to be had about not making it cool to be LGBTQ. Accept people for who they are. But promoting this lifestyle as something glamorous and forcing acceptance is not working. I see children whose parents put them in positions to satisfy the parent at the desire of the parent. Children are driven to satisfy their parents. Next thing you know a young man is suicidal because everyone said he wanted to be a she at a very young age.

Funny enough instead of any of you engaging on where my thoughts and background may be, you think I am ignorant and afraid.

 

[cuddlemonkey]

If you say so. I think the discussion needs to be had about not making it cool to be LGBTQ. Accept people for who they are. But promoting this lifestyle as something glamorous and forcing acceptance is not working. I see children whose parents put them in positions to satisfy the parent at the desire of the parent. Children are driven to satisfy their parents. Next thing you know a young man is suicidal because everyone said he wanted to be a she at a very young age.

Funny enough instead of any of you engaging on where my thoughts and background may be, you think I am ignorant and afraid.

Again, you either lack fundamental reading comprehension skills or you are a dishonest discussion partner. I never said you were ignorant or afraid. I said your attitude leads down a path of ignorance and fear.

 

[horse2H5]

Again, you either lack fundamental reading comprehension skills or you are a dishonest discussion partner. I never said you were ignorant or afraid. I said your attitude leads down a path of ignorance and fear.

I see. You are not calling me ignorant or afraid, you are saying my attitude will lead me there. Got it. How long do you think this will take? Will I start feeling anxious? Paranoid?

This is a nice way of using adhoms and claiming innocence. It's ok. I don't mind.

 

[cuddlemonkey]

I see. You are not calling me ignorant or afraid, you are saying my attitude will lead me there. Got it. How long do you think this will take? Will I start feeling anxious? Paranoid?

This is a nice way of using adhoms and claiming innocence. It's ok. I don't mind.

It wasn't an ad hominem attack or "claiming innocence." I clarified what I said because you either misunderstood or misstated my post.

 

[horse2H5]

It wasn't an ad hominem attack or "claiming innocence." I clarified what I said because you either misunderstood or misstated my post.

I must have misunderstood, as I used your exact words. I hope you are as polite on your retorts.

 

[SFIDC3]

No. There are approximately 43,000,000 teenagers in the United States, .1% of that would be approximately 43,000. The entire trans population makes up less than .1% of the US population, and that would still only be 335,000 people nationwide. These are much smaller numbers than the alarmists would like people to believe.

As far as mental health goes, the trans people I know are much happier and mentally healthy than they were prior to transitioning. I can't say I understand it what it means to be in their shoes or to feel how they feel, but just from a numbers perspective, if about 6 or 7 out of every 100 people identify as gay, I don't understand why it's hard to accept that one person in 1000 might identify as trans, or why that would be threatening.

Excuse me, you don't know anything about me. I am asking legitimate questions to further discussions.

Did I say anything about anti-trans laws?

When did you people on the left become so intolerant of others opinions? The left used to be the party of love. Seems like a ton of hate, racism and bigotry now.

I know enough to know that like most alarmist anti trans or LGBTQ folks you don't know basic math and would continue believing that 6 million kids are transitioning if it wasn't pointed out that only a fraction of that amount are (nice job Booker)......

So, it kind of exposes you for what I thought you were from the beginning.....

 

[fooferdoggie]

If you say so. I think the discussion needs to be had about not making it cool to be LGBTQ. Accept people for who they are. But promoting this lifestyle as something glamorous and forcing acceptance is not working. I see children whose parents put them in positions to satisfy the parent at the desire of the parent. Children are driven to satisfy their parents. Next thing you know a young man is suicidal because everyone said he wanted to be a she at a very young age.

This never happens in say Christian households??? or any household really? people fork up that's the nature of being human. why is it ok to celebrate regular sexual identities then? happens all the time.

 

[coldseat]

Lurking here for some time, I understand that you are not an unbiased participant and that is ok. We don't allow children to make life decisions because their brains are incapable of such.

Do you belive that you're unbiased? Given how you posed your original question and how you responded to mine, you are not.

Parents are pimping their kids out for social media cred and should be ashamed of themselves.

Are you talking about parents of straight kids or parents of trans kids? I guarantee you that the former pimp out their kids on social media than the latter.

6,000,000 children receiving gender affirming care. Many, if not most of these children are being told by the media and their social groups that it is cool to be part of this crowd. Be who you want to be. Total freedom.

Those numbers aren't real. And if you're haven't been paying attention to the media for the last 4 years, gay and trans kids have been getting the exact opposite message of what you're claiming. Not to mention every Republican legislator in the country, every conservative religious group and every Republican in social media pushing negative messages about LGBTQ+ people. You're doing it here and we've had many others do the same. So no, they are not getting that messages from the media.

In my opinion and it is backed up by the suicide statistics, this is TERRIBLE advice.

I can't explain to you how wrong your are. You'll never understand unless you have a gay or trans kid of your own. And even then you probably wouldn't understand. You're too closed off in your thinking to even consider you're wrong.

We as a society choose to not promote many things because it is a detriment to the populous. Accepting behavior and seeking help is one thing. Promoting this behavior and saying its everyone else's fault, leads to dramatically high suicide numbers.

Again maybe you could say back in 2016 that people were "promoting it", but that hasn't been the case for at least 4 years. And that was a very shot lived period. We have regressed considerably as a society since MAGA took root.

If you were truly concerned about the welfare of children (all children), you'd be more concerned about the number of guns in our society. The number of kids killed with guns through suicide, accidents and intentional murder dwarfs the number of trans kids that commit suicide because of mental health issues.

 

[horse2H5]

This never happens in say Christian households??? or any household really? people fork up that's the nature of being human. why is it ok to celebrate regular sexual identities then? happens all the time.

because the celebration of regular identities does not lead to suicide in alarming numbers

 

[fooferdoggie]

because the celebration of regular identities does not lead to suicide in alarming numbers

you keep blaming celebrating to it and not being treated like shirt. I have never heard of anyone committing suicide because they were happy and treated well. Celebrating showing you are happy with being who you are. so its better for all gays and trans to go back to the closet that's going to help them how?

 

[horse2H5]

you keep blaming celebrating to it and not being treated like shirt. I have never heard of anyone committing suicide because they were happy and treated well. Celebrating showing you are happy with being who you are. so its better for all gays and trans to go back to the closet that's going to help them how?

Wait what? I think you may have meant this for someone else. Please read my position. I am happy to have a conversation, but I am not sure we are on the same page. Did I reference someone being treated badly or for gays and trans to go back in the closet? My communication on this subject has been around children.

If you would like to extend the conversation, I am happy to participate. Just be nice and ask genuine questions and I will happily respond.

 

[cuddlemonkey]

I must have misunderstood, as I used your exact words. I hope you are as polite on your retorts.

You misunderstand what makes an ad hominem attack. If you don't understand that someone stating that A leads to B is not the same as saying someone is something, nor does it imply that A always leads to B 100% of the time, then that is your problem and not mine.

 

[horse2H5]

You misunderstand what makes an ad hominem attack. If you don't understand that someone stating that A leads to B is not the same as saying someone is something, nor does it imply that A always leads to B 100% of the time, then that is your problem and not mine.

Whatever bro. I am a polite person and will always be. I would appreciate the reciprocal action. Just because we disagree politically doesn't mean we cant get along. If you want to throw insults no matter how you categorize them ( a+b or B+A lol), then so be it. I prefer to not communicate in that manner. Enjoy life that way I guess, none of my business.

 

[cuddlemonkey]

Whatever bro. I am a polite person and will always be. I would appreciate the reciprocal action. Just because we disagree politically doesn't mean we cant get along. If you want to throw insults no matter how you categorize them ( a+b or B+A lol), then so be it. I prefer to not communicate in that manner. Enjoy life that way I guess, none of my business.

I'm attempting to show you the difference in what I said and what you think I said. Do you feel that being corrected is insulting?

 

[Optimus Prime]

Craig Jones was a small-town lad from Yorkshire who had a single ambition – to join the Royal Navy, just as his uncle had done after the Second World War.

After impressing the interview board, he earned a spot on an elite fast-tracking course and on 12 September 1989 he walked through the gates of Britannia Royal Naval College.

He was on his way to a new life, doing something which would have made his uncle proud, but as he walked towards his dream future, he also says he did so “leaving a part of me behind”.

Craig Jones was one of an estimated 5,000 people in the army who were breaking the law by being there because they were gay.

On 12 January 2000, a historic ruling by the European Court of Human Rights transformed the lives of LGBT+ individuals in the UK.

By declaring the military’s ban on gay and lesbian service personnel unlawful, the court forced the British Armed Forces to lift a policy that had, for decades, institutionalised discrimination, secrecy, and fear.

The ruling marked a turning point for LGBT+ rights in the UK and sparked a slow but significant cultural shift within one of the nation’s most rigid institutions.

For former lieutenant commander Craig Jones it would be life changing. Reflecting on the era of secrecy, he describes the immense pressure it placed on LGBT+ personnel.

“You had to be absolutely meticulous,” he says. “One mistake could destroy everything – your career, your reputation, your sense of self. The stress was constant.”………

Being gay meant being hated by the highest in the military command

Today marks 25 years since the ban on gay men and women serving in the UK armed forces was lifted. Those in the firing line recall the trauma that thousands experienced as – all too slowly – hearts and minds changed in the forces. Damian Kerlin reports

www.independent.co.uk

 

[coldseat]

@horse2H5 you should watch this to gain some perspective on your anti-trans crusade and ask yourself if you're being manipulated by the things you read, listen to and believe.

 

[horse2H5]

lol nobody is upset that trans women play sports, Just the opposite. Woman pretending to be men can try out for men sports all they want.

He enacted a law to make sure it didn't happen in the future. Are you saying that men are not playing sports against women? Scale, who cares, 1 is to many.

Is your argument that we are bending over backwards for .6% of the population? I agree!!! We need to stop making these people feel special.

510,000, today 10 transgender athletes being reported. Why would we allow 1? 10 today, 20 next year etc...

Please give me a reasonable reason a naturally born male should be allowed to compete with woman at any level? Please.