All Things LGBTQ+ (3 Viewers)

[Farb]

Didn't really see a place for this so I thought I would start a thread about all things LGBTQ since this is a pretty hot topic in our culture right now

https://www.cnbc.com/2021/06/17/sup...y-that-refuses-to-work-with-lgbt-couples.html

• The Supreme Court on Thursday delivered a unanimous defeat to LGBT couples in a high-profile case over whether Philadelphia could refuse to contract with a Roman Catholic adoption agency that says its religious beliefs prevent it from working with same-sex foster parents.
• Chief Justice John Roberts wrote in an opinion for a majority of the court that Philadelphia violated the First Amendment by refusing to contract with Catholic Social Services once it learned that the organization would not certify same-sex couples for adoption.

I will admit, I was hopeful for this decision by the SCOTUS but I was surprised by the unanimous decision.

While I don't think there is anything wrong, per se, with same sex couples adopting and raising children (I actually think it is a good thing as it not an abortion) but I also did not want to see the state force a religious institution to bend to a societal norm.

 

[cuddlemonkey]

I feel the same, as does Jesus, who said in Mark 12:31 "You shall love your neighbor as yourself."

Wrong thread. This is a discussion about the LGBRQ community and not religion.

 

[Patrick66]

Wrong thread. This is a discussion about the LGBRQ community and not religion.

In other words, get lost, right?

 

[cuddlemonkey]

In other words, get lost, right?

Not at all. This isn't a place to discuss scripture, that's all.

 

[Patrick66]

Not at all. This isn't a place to discuss scripture, that's all.

I base my beliefs on what Jesus taught. Are you saying that I'm not permitted to share his scriptures when posting?

 

[cuddlemonkey]

I base my beliefs on what Jesus taught. Are you saying that I'm not permitted to share his scriptures when posting?

This is the section of the board to discuss politics, not religion. If you want to discuss the LGBTQ community as it relates to your religion, there is a board for that.

 

[Bigdaddysaints]

I'm curious. Would you folks dislike a person if they said that they don't believe that a person can change their sex?

i dislike a lot of people for their opinions. but just because i dislike someone doesn't mean i can't have a conversation with them or even get along with them.
Now if you are the type who is adamant in your beliefs and set in your ways, not willing to listen, then you probably aren't gonna like it here.

 

[Optimus Prime]

Arizona State University is investigating a potential hate crime against one of its staff after members of Turning Point USA followed and harassed the professor, then shoved him to the ground.

Video footage posted by Turning Point, a rightwing youth organization known for its aggressive tactics, shows a cameraman and another person questioning David Boyles, an English instructor and the co-founder of Drag Story Hour Arizona, last Wednesday after Boyles taught a class on LGBTQ+ youth in pop culture and politics.

In the video, Boyles, who is queer, does not engage with Turning Point’s repeated questions, such as “How long have you been attracted to minors?” and why he hates America, accusing Boyles of wanting to “push sodomy on to young people”. A Turning Point representative walks side by side with Boyles and peppers him with questions, telling Boyles at one point, “You can’t run.”

At one point, Boyles moves toward the camera, though it is not clear if he makes contact with the cameraman.

Turning Point claimed Boyles “assaulted, pushed, and clawed at our cameraman”. Security footage released by ASU shows the other Turning Point member then shoving Boyles to the ground.

Boyles posted a picture on social media showing his bloodied face and said he tried to block the cameraman because he knew they would post video online to “inspire even more harassment against me”.

“My physical injuries are relatively minor and I’m doing OK,” Boyles wrote. “But I’m also feeling angry, violated, embarrassed, and despairing at the fact that we have come to normalize this kind of harassment and violence against anyone who tries to support LGBTQ+ youth (ironically the topic of the class I had just finished teaching) or just LGBTQ+ people and other marginalized groups in general.”

ASU confirmed it is investigating whether the assault on Boyles was motivated by “bias or prejudice”. Turning Point told media outlets its cameraman plans to seek assault charges.

Boyles is listed on Turning Point’s “professor watchlist”, which targets college professors for their work or views and results in harassment. The watchlist says it documents professors who “discriminate against conservative students and advance leftist propaganda in the classroom”.……

US university professor shoved to ground by rightwing youth activists

Arizona State University investigates potential hate crime against David Boyles after video shows harassment by Turning Point USA

www.theguardian.com

 

[MT15]

Arizona State University is investigating a potential hate crime against one of its staff after members of Turning Point USA followed and harassed the professor, then shoved him to the ground.

Video footage posted by Turning Point, a rightwing youth organization known for its aggressive tactics, shows a cameraman and another person questioning David Boyles, an English instructor and the co-founder of Drag Story Hour Arizona, last Wednesday after Boyles taught a class on LGBTQ+ youth in pop culture and politics.

In the video, Boyles, who is queer, does not engage with Turning Point’s repeated questions, such as “How long have you been attracted to minors?” and why he hates America, accusing Boyles of wanting to “push sodomy on to young people”. A Turning Point representative walks side by side with Boyles and peppers him with questions, telling Boyles at one point, “You can’t run.”

At one point, Boyles moves toward the camera, though it is not clear if he makes contact with the cameraman.

Turning Point claimed Boyles “assaulted, pushed, and clawed at our cameraman”. Security footage released by ASU shows the other Turning Point member then shoving Boyles to the ground.

Boyles posted a picture on social media showing his bloodied face and said he tried to block the cameraman because he knew they would post video online to “inspire even more harassment against me”.

“My physical injuries are relatively minor and I’m doing OK,” Boyles wrote. “But I’m also feeling angry, violated, embarrassed, and despairing at the fact that we have come to normalize this kind of harassment and violence against anyone who tries to support LGBTQ+ youth (ironically the topic of the class I had just finished teaching) or just LGBTQ+ people and other marginalized groups in general.”

ASU confirmed it is investigating whether the assault on Boyles was motivated by “bias or prejudice”. Turning Point told media outlets its cameraman plans to seek assault charges.

Boyles is listed on Turning Point’s “professor watchlist”, which targets college professors for their work or views and results in harassment. The watchlist says it documents professors who “discriminate against conservative students and advance leftist propaganda in the classroom”.……

US university professor shoved to ground by rightwing youth activists

Arizona State University investigates potential hate crime against David Boyles after video shows harassment by Turning Point USA

www.theguardian.com

Remind me, aren’t the right the first ones to whine about First Amendment and “censorship”? What a bunch of thugs. Hypocritical thugs at that.

 

[Optimus Prime]

There was once an ancient gay army
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The Sacred Band of Thebes was an elite unit of the Theban army comprised of 150 gay male couples totaling 300 men. They were formed under the leadership of Gorgidas but first achieved fame under the general Pelopidas. They remained invincible from 378-338 BCE when the entire troop fell together at the Battle of Chaeronea.

The military unit is first mentioned in 324 BCE in the speech Against Demosthenes by the orator Dinarchus (l. c. 361 - c. 291 BCE), but their full story is given by Plutarch (l. c. 45/50-c. 120/125 CE) in his Life of Pelopidas. Plutarch is thought to have drawn heavily on two earlier historians, Callisthenes and Ephorus, contemporaries of the band, whose works are now lost.

The Sacred Band were deployed early in the Boeotian War in 378 BCE under Gorgidas but became famous for their participation in the Battle of Leuctra in 371 BCE. They remained undefeated until the decisive battle of Chaeronea in 338 BCE when the Macedonians under Philip II (r. 359-336 BCE) and his son Alexander (the Great, r. 336-323 BCE) crushed the combined forces of Thebes and Athens……..

Sacred Band of Thebes

The Sacred Band of Thebes was an elite unit of the Theban army comprised of 150 gay male couples totaling 300 men. They were formed under the leadership of Gorgidas but first achieved fame under the...

www.worldhistory.org

 

[coldseat]

I'm curious. Would you folks dislike a person if they said that they don't believe that a person can change their sex?

I wouldn't be interested in getting to know you in any capacity is that's what you feel is important to lead with as an introduction or what you think is important that people know about you. Why should anybody really care what you believed about that subject? I'd just ignore you.

 

[SystemShock]

Wrong thread. This is a discussion about the LGBRQ community and not religion.

I don't think you can discuss LGBTQ without including religion in some capacity, especially when it involves politics in the U.S.

 

[Bigdaddysaints]

I don't think you can discuss LGBTQ without including religion in some capacity, especially when it involves politics in the U.S.

i agree, but posting scriptures from the bible in reference to the topic isn't really dicussing it.

 

[Optimus Prime]

The Canadian province of Saskatchewan has invoked a rare constitutional mechanism to shield controversial gender pronoun legislation from legal challenges – a decision critics say violates the rights of minors.

On Monday, Saskatchewan’s legislative assembly started debate on Bill 137, which outlines the rights parents have as the “primary decision-maker” in their child’s education.

Among the most controversial is the provision requiring parental consent before school staff use a desired gender identity or gender-related preferred name if the student is under the age of 16.

The bill also says that if obtaining parental permission could cause harm to the child, the principal will connect the student with support to develop a plan to come out to their parents.

Saskatchewan follows New Brunswick as the second province in the country to amend its education laws, reflecting a burgeoning “parents rights” movement in Canada that has migrated from the neighbouring United States.

In recent months, conservative provincial governments across the country have increasingly spoken about granting parents the “right” to know about their child’s gender expression in schools. The Ontario premier, Doug Ford, last month said parents and guardians should be informed if a student has changed their pronoun or name at school.

But Scott Moe, the premier of Saskatchewan and leader of the Saskatchewan party, is the first provincial leader to use the “notwithstanding clause” when passing legislation surrounding pronoun use. The clause allows governments to temporarily strip away fundamental rights enshrined in the country’s Charter of Rights and Freedoms.………

Canada province uses constitutional override to advance pronoun legislation

Saskatchewan invokes clause to push through controversial bill requiring parental consent for children to change pronouns

www.theguardian.com

 

[Optimus Prime]

Terrible story and the exact kind of story that fuels anti trans hysteria
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A former butcher who sexually abused a primary school pupil over 27 hours in a “nauseating” attack has been jailed for 20 years.

Andrew Miller, who also uses the name Amy George, was dressed as a woman when he offered the girl – whom he had never met before – a lift in February.

In what a judge described as “every parent’s worst nightmare”, Miller took the girl back to his home in the Scottish Borders and subjected her to repeated sexual assaults.

She was locked in Miller’s home for 27 hours, during which time she was touched repeatedly and forced to watch pornography. She dialled 999 after Miller, 53, who was wearing women’s underwear, fell asleep.

Miller told police he had offered the girl a lift “because she was freezing”, and claimed forcing her to sleep in the bed with him “was a motherly thing”.

After his arrest, three laptops were seized from his property and 242 indecent images of children were found.

At the high court in Edinburgh in May, Miller pleaded guilty to charges of abduction, sexual assault, watching pornography in the presence of a child under the age of 13 and possessing 242 indecent images of children.

Sentencing Miller, Judge Lord Arthurson said: “The narrative was frankly nauseating in terms of its depravity and criminal sexual deviancy. On your arrest you denied the abduction and preposterously said you had acted in a motherly way.

“Abduction of young children for the purposes of sexual torment is a mercifully rare crime in this jurisdiction.”

The judge said Miller dressing as a woman was an aggravating factor because it was unlikely that the girl would have got into his car if Miller had presented as a man.……

Paedophile who abducted schoolgirl while dressed as a woman jailed for 20 years

Former butcher Andrew Miller claimed he acted in a ‘motherly way’ but later admitted sexual assault

www.theguardian.com

 

[Bigdaddysaints]

Man, these Trans and Drag Queen groomers are getting out of hand.. Oh wait he's a police officer (in England)...

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Police officer who groomed more than 200 children on Snapchat given 13 life sentences​

MSN

 

[Optimus Prime]

this made me laugh

 

[Optimus Prime]

Travis Dermott had a lot on his mind as he carefully wrapped the shaft of his hockey stick with rainbow-colored tape.

The NHL had dispatched a memo to teams before the season, reiterating its ban on altering on-ice gear for warmups and practices to reflect theme nights.

The Arizona Coyotes defenseman was about to become the first player to defy that edict on supporting social causes — including Pride tape for the LGBTQ community. And he was going to do it in a game.

“A bunch of thoughts are going through your head,” Dermott said. “But not one of them was, ‘Should I do this or shouldn’t I do this?’ It was more, ‘How fast is it going to blow up? How much is it going to blow up? Is anyone even going to notice?’

“It had to be done. I was going to deal with whatever came my way.”

What came his way was an avalanche of support after Dermott sported the tape on Saturday in Arizona’s home opener against the Los Angeles Kings.

It also didn’t take long for the NHL to backpedal. The league announced less than 72 hours later its ban on using stick tape to support social causes, including rainbow-colored Pride tape, had been rescinded.

The 26-year-old from Newmarket, Ontario, said working for causes away from the rink is great, but on TV under the bright lights is where there’s the most exposure.

“That’s when those little things would be picked up in the most meaningful way, the most powerful way,” he said. “My parents really made it an important lesson that you want to be the best influence you can for the next generation.”

Pride nights became a hot-button issue in hockey after six players chose not to participate in pregame warmups last season when their team wore rainbow-themed jerseys. Teams this season are not allowed to wear any kind of theme jerseys, including military appreciation and Hockey Fights Cancer, for warmups.….

Coyotes' Travis Dermott on using Pride tape, forcing NHL's hand: 'Had to be done'

Arizona defenseman Travis Dermott recently defied an NHL edict on supporting social causes before games.

apnews.com

 

[Optimus Prime]

The family may be the cultural bedrock of Italian society, but an entirely conservative and patriarchal idea of family is what our current leaders and the country’s most powerful institutions want to promote.

Giorgia Meloni’s words are always carefully chosen: “a child needs a mum and a dad”, “there is only one type of family – the one formed by a man and a woman”. Italy’s first female prime minister, who leads a hard-right coalition, likes to invoke the slogan “God, country and family”; she campaigned against what she calls “the LGBT lobby”, describes herself as “a woman, a mother, a Christian” and opposes same-sex marriage.

But her statements about parenthood are a deliberate punch in the gut to anyone whose family doesn’t fit her narrow definition.

Meloni rose to power with the support of some political moderates, who hoped that once in the job she would not actually challenge the gains that had been made by rights campaigners in recent years. These hopes were misguided.

Last January, the interior minister, Matteo Piantedosi, circulated to Italian prefects – local representatives of the central government – a recommendation ordering the removal of non-biological parents from birth certificates, thus excluding thousands of LGBTQ+ parents from being legally declared as such.

As a consequence, Padua’s public prosecutor has already requested the removal of 27 same-sex parents’ names from birth certificates, an act that would deprive 33 children of their right to two parents recognised as equals under the law.

This has sent a devastating message across Italy that LGBTQ+ people are not worthy of parenthood. Same-sex parents have been given the feeling of once again being singled out as ugly exceptions to the “natural” family based on traditional values. The Italian authorities might tolerate them as babysitters, but refuse to see them as real parents.

Italy still lags behind much of Europe when it comes to LGBTQ+ rights: they have never been a political priority, even when the centre-left Democratic party was in power.

We have lived through years of political inertia, even as other once socially conservative countries liberaliseddiscriminatory laws or changed their constitutions. In Italy, by contrast, progressive parties seem to go out of their way not to antagonise either conservative voters or the Catholic church…….

Giorgia Meloni treasures Italy’s families – unless they include same-sex parents | Luisa Rizzitelli

The hard-right leader aims to cement traditional values by cracking down on LGBTQ+ rights. Is this really what Italians want? asks One Billion Rising coordinator Luisa Rizzitelli

www.theguardian.com