All Things LGBTQ+ (2 Viewers)

[Farb]

Didn't really see a place for this so I thought I would start a thread about all things LGBTQ since this is a pretty hot topic in our culture right now

https://www.cnbc.com/2021/06/17/sup...y-that-refuses-to-work-with-lgbt-couples.html

• The Supreme Court on Thursday delivered a unanimous defeat to LGBT couples in a high-profile case over whether Philadelphia could refuse to contract with a Roman Catholic adoption agency that says its religious beliefs prevent it from working with same-sex foster parents.
• Chief Justice John Roberts wrote in an opinion for a majority of the court that Philadelphia violated the First Amendment by refusing to contract with Catholic Social Services once it learned that the organization would not certify same-sex couples for adoption.

I will admit, I was hopeful for this decision by the SCOTUS but I was surprised by the unanimous decision.

While I don't think there is anything wrong, per se, with same sex couples adopting and raising children (I actually think it is a good thing as it not an abortion) but I also did not want to see the state force a religious institution to bend to a societal norm.

 

[coldseat]

NASHVILLE, Tenn. (AP) — Vanderbilt University Medical Center is being sued by its transgender clinic patients, who accuse the hospital of violating their privacy by turning their records over to Tennessee's attorney general.

Two patients sued Monday in Nashville Chancery Court, saying they were among more than 100 people whose records were sent by Vanderbilt to Attorney General Jonathan Skrmetti. His office has said it is examining medical billing in a “run of the mill” fraud investigation that isn't directed at patients or their families. Vanderbilt has said it was required by law to comply.

The patients say Vanderbilt was aware that Tennessee authorities are hostile toward the rights of transgender people, and should have removed their personally identifying information before turning over the records.

Tennessee has stood out among conservative-led states pushing myriad laws targeting transgender people, enacting some of the nation's most anti-LGBTQ restrictions, even as families and advocates have voiced objections that such policies are harmful. The lawsuit seeks class-action status on behalf of everyone at the clinic whose private medical records were released to Skrmetti.

“Against that backdrop, its failure to safeguard the privacy of its patients is particularly egregious,” the lawsuit says.

The attorney general’s office has said the hospital has been providing records of its gender-related treatment billing since December 2022, and that the records have been kept confidential. Elizabeth Lane Johnson, an attorney general’s office spokesperson, noted Tuesday that the office isn’t a party to the lawsuit, and directed questions to Vanderbilt.

VUMC spokesperson John Howser said Tuesday that it's common for health systems to get such requests in billing probes and audits, and “the decision to release patient records for any purpose is never taken lightly, even in situations such as this where VUMC was legally compelled to produce the patient records.”..............

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Good. I hope they win. Vanderbilt should have notifed their patients that Tennessee's AG was demanding these records to give thier clients a chance to fight it in court. Especially given that they know how anti-trans the Tennessee AG is and the public statements he's made about going afer trans people and their medical treatment. Vanderbilt had a responsiblity to fight this on behalf of their patients or at the very least notify them about it.

 

[SystemShock]

So, what is your point exactly?

Do you remember when the majority of people were against black athletes competing with white athletes, because it wasn't fair to white athletes?

Do you remember when the majority of people were against non-white people sharing schools, drinking fountains and restrooms with white folk?

Do you remember when the majority of people were against the gays being school teachers?

Do you remember when the majority of people were against letting women vote, because they were too emotional and irrational?

Do you remember when the majority of people were against letting native Americans continue to live on the land they had lived on for generations?

Do you remember when the majority of people were okay with enslaving African and Asian people?

You know who remembers? Pepperidge Farms remembers! Those were the good ole days when America was great. Let's Make America Great Again!

None of those are equivalent to the transgender/sports issue.
Black athletes didn't surgically and chemically alter their bodies to become black athletes.
The rest is just rhetoric.

 

[coldseat]

Our country under Republican control.

 

[MT15]

Yeah, this is totally normal

 

[Bigdaddysaints]

Yeah, this is totally normal

now they gonna have a lawsuit and its gonna cost the tax payers a ton of money.. what idiots...

 

[MT15]

now they gonna have a lawsuit and its gonna cost the tax payers a ton of money.. what idiots...

I think it’s a Christian private school. But still - she’s been there for 19 years, evidently they were happy with her performance in the classroom. She isn’t accused of doing anything wrong during her job, she didn’t do anything illegal on her own time.

This is just pure bigotry.

 

[coldseat]

I think it’s a Christian private school. But still - she’s been there for 19 years, evidently they were happy with her performance in the classroom. She isn’t accused of doing anything wrong during her job, she didn’t do anything illegal on her own time.

This is just pure bigotry.

People who aren't bigots shouldn't be working in those right wing Christian schools. They have no protections there.

It's so creepy that they were following her (and other employees) just waiting for them to do something "un-Christian" just to fire them. Those christofascist don't know the meaning of boundries.

 

[MT15]

This is where the extremist Christians want to take us:

 

[BullSheetBuddha]

This is where the extremist Christians want to take us:

This is incredible.

 

[coldseat]

This is where the extremist Christians want to take us:

It's incredible how scared right wing fascist are of LGBTQ+ people.

 

[Optimus Prime]

........Two months earlier, Mississippi had banned transgender young people, like Ray, from accessing hormones or other gender-transition treatments. By mid-spring, nearly half the country had passed similar bills, according to the Movement Advancement Project, and now, 1 in 3 trans children lives in a state with a ban. Conservative lawmakers said they’d pushed the bills to protect young people, but Katie felt like they’d done the opposite. Testosterone had allowed her son to embody himself for the first time. Ray was present, happy. The ban would take that happiness away.

Across the country, families were doing everything they could to protect their trans children. Some uprooted their lives in red states for the promise of protections in blue ones. Others filed lawsuits. Katie couldn’t afford to move, and she needed a solution faster than the courts could offer, so she’d settled on a cheaper, quicker plan: She’d take a day off from her nursing job, and she and Ray would travel out of state for his medical care.

“It says we’ll be there by 11:48,” she said.

She knew that Mississippi’s law contained a rare aid-and-abet clause that prohibited adults from helping a minor transition. She didn’t understand the particulars, and she didn’t know what would happen to her if she broke it, but she cared less about penalties than she did about Ray, and so, the day the ban passed, she decided she’d do anything to keep her son well. (Katie and her family spoke to The Washington Post on the condition that they be identified by only their first names out of concern they could face legal consequences.)

Initially, Katie didn’t know where to go. Nearly every state within 700 miles had banned gender-affirming care for minors, and a trip to Illinois would have taken three days. She didn’t have vacation time or hotel money to spare, so the Midwest was out. The best option, she decided, was a tenuous one. A year earlier, Alabama lawmakers had passed one of the country’s first bans, but a judge had temporarily blocked the legislation, which meant teenagers could still get hormones there, at least for now.

“I guess I’m just going to Meridian, then a little farther,” she said. “I know how to get to Meridian, right?”

“I have faith in you,” Ray said.

He reached across the console, and Katie’s stomach twisted. She had told Ray she would fix this one way or another, and he believed her. But Katie couldn’t control lawmakers, and she had no idea what the pharmacist would do.

The border appeared a few minutes after 11, and Katie relaxed just a bit. She grabbed Ray’s hand.

“Welcome to sweet home Alabama,” she said. “Where you’re safe, for now.”...............

Katie understood some Mississippians might be slow to accept trans people. She hadn’t wanted to believe Ray at first, and her heart broke when he first cut his hip-length blonde hair to his chin. But she’d listened to him, and she’d trusted his doctors, and she’d seen the difference the care made in his life.

Before Ray came out, the physical world pained him. He coughed every two minutes, and he blinked nonstop. He spent so much time with imaginary animal friends, a teacher once told Katie he needed “help.” After he started blockers, Ray joined a theater group, and he seemed present in a way he never had. He stopped coughing and blinking. He made real friends. He earned straight A’s.

Katie figured they had time. The legislative session didn’t start until early 2023, and she believed that lawmakers would listen when she and others told them about their trans children. But in October 2022, someone from the LGBTQ clinic left a voice mail for Jody and told him they would no longer treat Ray. (Katie and Jody are divorced but share custody.)

The person didn’t say why, but a Mississippi Today investigation later found that hospital officials halted treatment after conservative lawmakers demanded to know how much state money went to the clinic. Mississippi spent just $1,215 on the clinic last fiscal year, according to a legislative report, and Medicaid paid the clinic $24,122 in claims over the last three years.

Hospitals across the region were doing the same thing, Katie learned. A gender clinic in Dallas closed after Texas Gov. Greg Abbott’s office began looking into it. In Tennessee, Republican lawmakers pressured Vanderbilt University Medical Center to pause gender-affirming care for minors. And in Oklahoma, Gov. Kevin Stitt threatened to withhold $108 million in coronavirus relief from one of the state’s largest hospital systems if it did not stop providing gender-affirming care to children. The hospital complied.

Katie panicked after officials at the LGBTQ clinic said they would no longer treat Ray. Didn’t the doctors worry about taking a kid off hormones with no notice? What if Ray spiraled? He already became depressed every three months when his puberty blocker wore off. If he had to stop testosterone, his period would return, and Katie didn’t know what would happen to his body. Desperate, Katie and Jody found another LGBTQ clinic, a small one two hours south.

It didn’t take insurance, and it didn’t offer therapy or bone density scans like the hospital had, but the nurse practitioners there could write hormone prescriptions, so Ray and his dad drove down one Monday last November, and Katie met them at the clinic.

That solution was short-lived. Three months later, in February 2023, Mississippi passed the Regulate Experimental Adolescent Procedures Act. The law not only barred Ray from medically transitioning in Mississippi before he turned 18 but seemed to prohibit his parents from helping him find care elsewhere.

Katie knew she’d do anything to help Ray. Still, driving out of state felt like a temporary solution. How many times could she risk it? And what would happen if Alabama’s ban eventually took effect?............

https://www.washingtonpost.com/dc-md-va/interactive/2023/mississippi-youth-transgender-care-ban-aftermath/?utm_campaign=wp_post_most&utm_medium=email&utm_source=newsletter&wpisrc=nl_most

 

[SaintForLife]

So, what is your point exactly?

Do you remember when the majority of people were against black athletes competing with white athletes, because it wasn't fair to white athletes?

Do you remember when the majority of people were against non-white people sharing schools, drinking fountains and restrooms with white folk?

Do you remember when the majority of people were against the gays being school teachers?

Do you remember when the majority of people were against letting women vote, because they were too emotional and irrational?

Do you remember when the majority of people were against letting native Americans continue to live on the land they had lived on for generations?

Do you remember when the majority of people were okay with enslaving African and Asian people?

You know who remembers? Pepperidge Farms remembers! Those were the good ole days when America was great. Let's Make America Great Again!

No reasonable people are saying there shouldn't be transgender people or they shouldn't have any right. This is specifically about them not being able to compete against women in sports because they have an obvious physical advantage. It's not fair.

All your examples have no relevance to this subject

 

[SaintForLife]

This is ridiculous and SCOTUS owns this mess.

So, now, house painting is a creative endeavor? I read this right after the original ruling: Subway calls their workers sandwich artists. So next a Subway worker could refuse to make a sandwich for someone they think is gay? Not hard to see where this is going.

It's okay to blame the ruling for these illegal actions because some idiots don't understand what the ruling actually meant?

 

[coldseat]

It's okay to blame the ruling for these illegal actions because some idiots don't understand what the ruling actually meant?

Yes, the ruling had the intended effect.

 

[SaintForLife]

This is where the extremist Christians want to take us:

Strawman alert

 

[MT15]

Strawman alert

Just because you’re not paying attention to what people you agree with are trying to do to LGBTQ people doesn’t mean it isn’t happening. Read what Optimus posted.

 

[Optimus Prime]

Strawman alert

love how a thing that actually happened is a strawman but using a hypothetical scenario as a basis of a supreme court ruling is A-OK

 

[SaintForLife]

Yes, the ruling had the intended effect.

Should certain rulings not be made due to how people might misinterpret them?