All Things LGBTQ+ (2 Viewers)

[Farb]

Didn't really see a place for this so I thought I would start a thread about all things LGBTQ since this is a pretty hot topic in our culture right now

https://www.cnbc.com/2021/06/17/sup...y-that-refuses-to-work-with-lgbt-couples.html

• The Supreme Court on Thursday delivered a unanimous defeat to LGBT couples in a high-profile case over whether Philadelphia could refuse to contract with a Roman Catholic adoption agency that says its religious beliefs prevent it from working with same-sex foster parents.
• Chief Justice John Roberts wrote in an opinion for a majority of the court that Philadelphia violated the First Amendment by refusing to contract with Catholic Social Services once it learned that the organization would not certify same-sex couples for adoption.

I will admit, I was hopeful for this decision by the SCOTUS but I was surprised by the unanimous decision.

While I don't think there is anything wrong, per se, with same sex couples adopting and raising children (I actually think it is a good thing as it not an abortion) but I also did not want to see the state force a religious institution to bend to a societal norm.

 

[coldseat]

I would be ok with them having separate (but equal.. ) crisis centers for trans women and cis women.

I think, given you emoji, you know how that sounds/appears.

We definitely need to not just lump cis and trans women into the same group (at least not always) for many reasons.

I honestly have no idea how rape crisis shelters handles these situation, I doubt it's by lumping them all together though. I'm guessing that the individual victims needs and desires are taken into consideration.

Trans women and cis women are definitely going to have different types of health issues, for example, so there are very good reasons to consider them different "genders".

Possibly, but I'm assuming they already take this into account. The overwhelming message coming form this, though, is that the rape of trans woman isn't real or serious enough that they may require rape crisis counseling/shelter. And that even if it is, that they aren't worthy of that consideration or public support.

 

[samiam5211]

I think, given you emoji, you know how that sounds/appears.



I honestly have no idea how rape crisis shelters handles these situation, I doubt it's by lumping them all together though. I'm guessing that the individual victims needs and desires are taken into consideration.



Possibly, but I'm assuming they already take this into account. The overwhelming message coming form this, though, is that the rape of trans woman isn't real or serious enough that they may require rape crisis counseling/shelter. And that even if it is, that they aren't worthy of that consideration or public support.

Yea, the frown face was because you can't even suggest to separate something without "separate but equal" being brought up. I think it's really a terrible thing that it will always be used to prevent what can sometimes be an acceptable solution. You know, as long as the "equal" part is given as much attention as the separate part.

I don't disagree with your last point. I haven't cared enough to keep up specifically with JK Rowling situation, so i am certainly not trying to defend her.

I am just discussing the topic generally, and how we can address legitimate concerns by people involved. There are legitimate concerns people raise regarding the integration of trans women into women's issues, and i don't think people are automatically trans-phobic by raising them.

I do get that transphobes will leap on these points to justify their trans phobia, but i don't think ignoring the concerns out of fear of giving the transphobes ammo actually helps the trans community either.

 

[coldseat]

Yea, the frown face was because you can't even suggest to separate something without "separate but equal" being brought up. I think it's really a terrible thing that it will always be used to prevent what can sometimes be an acceptable solution. You know, as long as the "equal" part is given as much attention as the separate part.

I don't disagree with your last point. I haven't cared enough to keep up specifically with JK Rowling situation, so i am certainly not trying to defend her.

I am just discussing the topic generally, and how we can address legitimate concerns by people involved. There are legitimate concerns people raise regarding the integration of trans women into women's issues, and i don't think people are automatically trans-phobic by raising them.

I do get that transphobes will leap on these points to justify their trans phobia, but i don't think ignoring the concerns out of fear of giving the transphobes ammo actually helps the trans community either.

That's very fair. I've never been a women or raped, so I'm certainly not going to speak for anybody's feelings or assume to know how anybody that has been raped should cope with such an awful situation.

In this situation though, they've been accepting trans women at that shelter for 15 years without any problems or abuse.

“All rape crisis services in Scotland offer support to trans women and have done so for 15 years. There has not been a single incident of anyone abusing this.”

It's only become an issue in the last few years with the ramp up in anti-trans activisms. So my question is are these people raising real issues or are the issues they've raised manufactured because of their biases and/or bigotry?

 

[samiam5211]

It's only become an issue in the last few years with the ramp up in anti-trans activisms. So my question is are these people raising real issues or are the issues they've raised manufactured because of their biases and/or bigotry?

I do think it matters who is raising the issue.

 

[BullSheetBuddha]

I would say that this is key: “All rape crisis services in Scotland offer support to trans women and have done so for 15 years. There has not been a single incident of anyone abusing this.”

If J.K. Rowling's Women's Shelter Turns Away Trans Women, Then it Isn't Helping Women

The new sexual assault centre will only employ and serve cisgender women, highlighting the fruition of JK Rowling's ongoing transphobic comments.

www.themarysue.com

 

[Farb]

https://www.foxnews.com/media/lia-t...er-room-after-meet-riley-gaines-dropped-pants

"In an interview on "America Reports" Wednesday, the 12-time All-American and five-time SEC champion urged the National Collegiate Athletic Association to make separate locker rooms for transgender athletes, recounting her own discomfort when she was exposed to Thomas' "male genitalia" in a women's locker room after a meet.

"We were not forewarned beforehand that we would be sharing a locker room with Lia. We did not give our consent, they did not ask for our consent, but in that locker room we turned around, and there’s a 6’4" biological man dropping his pants and watching us undress, and we were exposed to male genitalia," Gaines said.

Thomas had reportedly started the process of hormone replacement therapy at the time but hadn't undergone surgery."

 

[Farb]

Do we also think all of the gamer that by ordering and playing the game are also bigots?
https://www.cnn.com/2023/02/09/tech/hogwarts-legacy-video-game-record/index.html

 

[BullSheetBuddha]

"We were not forewarned beforehand that we would be sharing a locker room with Lia. We did not give our consent, they did not ask for our consent, but in that locker room we turned around, and there’s a 6’4" biological man dropping his pants and watching us undress, and we were exposed to male genitalia," Gaines said.

Oh no!

 

[Farb]

Oh no!

I don't think your response was a dunk on me more than it was a very revealing on your morality.
At what age should all restrooms become co-ed in your opinion?

 

[coldseat]

Do we also think all of the gamer that by ordering and playing the game are also bigots?
https://www.cnn.com/2023/02/09/tech/hogwarts-legacy-video-game-record/index.html

I'm an old soul, I miss the days when it was the Christians fear mongering about HP and gays loving. Now some gays hate it and Christians love it. The HP universe really has come full circle.

 

[BullSheetBuddha]

I don't think your response was a dunk on me more than it was a very revealing on your morality.

What does morality have to do with it? They're not having sex.

 

[BullSheetBuddha]

At what age should all restrooms become co-ed in your opinion?

Public Restrooms

With all the coffee and wine you'll be drinking in Paris, it's good to know there are plenty of free public restrooms. French toilets aren't as bad as people think they will be, but there are definitely a few quirks.

secretsofparis.com

The Lowdown on French Toilets​

• Toilet paper is just like at home, either in rolls or individual pieces like tissues. But sometimes there’s none at all, so keep a tissue packet handy.
• Most public toilets are free since 2006, but the ones in train stations and shopping malls like the Carrousel du Louvre may require a small fee to use. Some brasseries still require a coin to unlock the door (if you don’t have one as the server for a token, or jeton), but these are far fewer than ten years ago because no one carries coins anymore.
• There are some truly noteworthy restrooms in Paris (usually found in trendy bars and expensive hotels, as seen below). But there are also — in some scruffy older cafés — Turkish Toilets, which consist of a ceramic base with a hole in the center (squat if you’re a female or have bad aim; keep your feet clear when you flush, there tends to be splashing).

This toilet in a fancy hotel has an optional hand-held water sprayer for rincing off.

• The toilets in bars, cafés and restaurants are almost always downstairs, and often unisex (there’s a full door to close and lock, not just a stall). You may even have to walk past a urinal to get to the women’s stall.
• The lights are often on timers, or only work once the door is closed or when movement is detected. If the light goes out just push or turn the button again.
• There’s more than one way to flush a French toilet: push a button, yank a chain, pull a lever, stand up (automatic sensor), etc.

The fanciest highway gas station restrooms I’ve ever seen (somewhere between Paris and Dordogne).

• In France, women have no issues using the men’s room if there’s a long line for the ladies’ (and sometimes you’ll see men coming out of a restroom designated for women). This is not considered a “big deal” in France, especially since most WCs have enclosed rooms with a full door (see photo above), not stalls that someone could peek over/under.
• Bathrooms in museums and monuments (as well as the sanisettes, see below) are often the only handicap-accessible restrooms outside of your hotel room.

 

[samiam5211]

Do we also think all of the gamer that by ordering and playing the game are also bigots?
https://www.cnn.com/2023/02/09/tech/hogwarts-legacy-video-game-record/index.html

Well,

I pre ordered it.

I do think some of the people who pre ordered it are bigots. I think some of the people who pre ordered it, did it because they are bigots.

 

[SystemShock]

I would say yes. She apparently believes that trans women will attack biological woman or take away from biological women or make biological women disappear or cause adverse consequences for biological women or whatever. All of those beliefs are mostly driven by uncontrollable fear or bigoted beliefs.

Really? I guess I need to do some interwebz reading.

 

[Farb]

I'm an old soul, I miss the days when it was the Christians fear mongering about HP and gays loving. Now some gays hate it and Christians love it. The HP universe really has come full circle.

Although I never got into HP and never have seen an entire movie or read a sentence of a book, I could see the appeal because I do generally like that kind of sci-fi/historical fiction type genre. Now that you said it, it really has come full circle.

 

[Farb]

What does morality have to do with it? They're not having sex.

I would say the wanting to provide women with their own safe place where they can undress without men present would dictate a sense of morality. What do you think?

 

[Farb]

Public Restrooms

With all the coffee and wine you'll be drinking in Paris, it's good to know there are plenty of free public restrooms. French toilets aren't as bad as people think they will be, but there are definitely a few quirks.

secretsofparis.com

The Lowdown on French Toilets​

• Toilet paper is just like at home, either in rolls or individual pieces like tissues. But sometimes there’s none at all, so keep a tissue packet handy.
• Most public toilets are free since 2006, but the ones in train stations and shopping malls like the Carrousel du Louvre may require a small fee to use. Some brasseries still require a coin to unlock the door (if you don’t have one as the server for a token, or jeton), but these are far fewer than ten years ago because no one carries coins anymore.
• There are some truly noteworthy restrooms in Paris (usually found in trendy bars and expensive hotels, as seen below). But there are also — in some scruffy older cafés — Turkish Toilets, which consist of a ceramic base with a hole in the center (squat if you’re a female or have bad aim; keep your feet clear when you flush, there tends to be splashing).

This toilet in a fancy hotel has an optional hand-held water sprayer for rincing off.

• The toilets in bars, cafés and restaurants are almost always downstairs, and often unisex (there’s a full door to close and lock, not just a stall). You may even have to walk past a urinal to get to the women’s stall.
• The lights are often on timers, or only work once the door is closed or when movement is detected. If the light goes out just push or turn the button again.
• There’s more than one way to flush a French toilet: push a button, yank a chain, pull a lever, stand up (automatic sensor), etc.

The fanciest highway gas station restrooms I’ve ever seen (somewhere between Paris and Dordogne).

• In France, women have no issues using the men’s room if there’s a long line for the ladies’ (and sometimes you’ll see men coming out of a restroom designated for women). This is not considered a “big deal” in France, especially since most WCs have enclosed rooms with a full door (see photo above), not stalls that someone could peek over/under.
• Bathrooms in museums and monuments (as well as the sanisettes, see below) are often the only handicap-accessible restrooms outside of your hotel room.

You didn't really answer the question so I will rephrase it for you.
Do you think that women deserve a place where they can undress/shower/use the restroom without men present? Yes or No

 

[Farb]

Well,

I pre ordered it.

I do think some of the people who pre ordered it are bigots. I think some of the people who pre ordered it, did it because they are bigots.

fair enough. So it isn't a litmus test on bigotry. It is just a failed attempt at a boycott.