All Things LGBTQ+ (7 Viewers)

[Farb]

Didn't really see a place for this so I thought I would start a thread about all things LGBTQ since this is a pretty hot topic in our culture right now

https://www.cnbc.com/2021/06/17/sup...y-that-refuses-to-work-with-lgbt-couples.html

• The Supreme Court on Thursday delivered a unanimous defeat to LGBT couples in a high-profile case over whether Philadelphia could refuse to contract with a Roman Catholic adoption agency that says its religious beliefs prevent it from working with same-sex foster parents.
• Chief Justice John Roberts wrote in an opinion for a majority of the court that Philadelphia violated the First Amendment by refusing to contract with Catholic Social Services once it learned that the organization would not certify same-sex couples for adoption.

I will admit, I was hopeful for this decision by the SCOTUS but I was surprised by the unanimous decision.

While I don't think there is anything wrong, per se, with same sex couples adopting and raising children (I actually think it is a good thing as it not an abortion) but I also did not want to see the state force a religious institution to bend to a societal norm.

 

[Farb]

It’s so freaking easy to believe a story that confirms a bias. And I’m sure Farb will continue to believe the story he read on some website that isn’t a local news source because he wants to believe it. He wants to believe it so damn much that he won’t even consider it could be wrong.

It took less than five minutes to discover that the “facts” of the story are in dispute and that the school is following Maine law in regards to the student in question.

This is why our entire form of government is in peril, this freaking stupid confirmation bias. I’m really sick of it and frustrated with people who go along with it. Especially when they won’t lift a finger to check a story or even use the common sense they have.

You are so quick to believe a statement from the school board but not the parent but I am the one that has confirmation bias. Remember this stuff is not happening at all. Just like all the hub bub about trans kids raping the 2 girls in Va. Remember that, that didn't happen either an the board said as much in a statement. Note, it took a grand jury to get to the bottom of it. I bet if you ask, Trumps lawyers will say he is a good honest man too.
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/l...grand-jury-report-on-sex-assaults/ar-AA14Zvnx

Wayde Byard, spokesperson for Loudoun County Public Schools, confirmed the firing to News4 Wednesday morning. Loudoun County Board of Supervisors Vice Chair Koran Saines said the school board’s vote was unanimous.

A student sexually assaulted a female student at Stone Bridge High School in May 2021, but was allowed to transfer to Broad Run High School, where he abducted and sexually assaulted another female student in October of 2021. The teen was later convicted in juvenile court.

In its report released Monday, the grand jury accuses Ziegler of lying about the assault at a school board meeting in June 2021, after the first assault occurred.

 

[Farb]

What are you talking about? I asked you a question. Do you think a child that goes to church is volunteering for that religion? What's your answer?

Can a child volunteer for anything? No, they cannot. So according to you, that means that kids should only do what they want to do. A child doesn't volunteer to go to a pediatricians appointment either, but it is in the best interest of the child to go is it not?

Now, I asked you why you think the state is better equipped to educate a child than that childs parents?

 

[BullSheetBuddha]

Can a child volunteer for anything? No, they cannot. So according to you, that means that kids should only do what they want to do. A child doesn't volunteer to go to a pediatricians appointment either, but it is in the best interest of the child to go is it not?

Now, I asked you why you think the state is better equipped to educate a child than that childs parents?

So then the religion of the church a child attends has little, or nothing, to do with what that child thinks. He just blindly accepts it, or not, meaning the religion most people believe in around the world has mainly to do with whatever church they HAPPENED to attend as a child and little to do with the religion itself.

So according to you, that means that kids should only do what they want to do.

Where did I say anything about that?

 

[MT15]

You are so quick to believe a statement from the school board but not the parent but I am the one that has confirmation bias. Remember this stuff is not happening at all. Just like all the hub bub about trans kids raping the 2 girls in Va. Remember that, that didn't happen either an the board said as much in a statement. Note, it took a grand jury to get to the bottom of it. I bet if you ask, Trumps lawyers will say he is a good honest man too.
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/l...grand-jury-report-on-sex-assaults/ar-AA14Zvnx

Wayde Byard, spokesperson for Loudoun County Public Schools, confirmed the firing to News4 Wednesday morning. Loudoun County Board of Supervisors Vice Chair Koran Saines said the school board’s vote was unanimous.

A student sexually assaulted a female student at Stone Bridge High School in May 2021, but was allowed to transfer to Broad Run High School, where he abducted and sexually assaulted another female student in October of 2021. The teen was later convicted in juvenile court.

In its report released Monday, the grand jury accuses Ziegler of lying about the assault at a school board meeting in June 2021, after the first assault occurred.

So you have no answer for promoting an obviously biased article written by a website that is clearly promoting a point of view. Just complete deflection. Got it.

You recklessly post this unsubstantiated garbage all the time. And even if there are some issues that are valid, like is possible in the story above, you and your sources completely misrepresent the facts and twist them to suit your narrative. Like was done in the above case.

You and I had a discussion about that case. You are misrepresenting my part in that discussion. Stop it. I don’t care for the way you misrepresent my posts. From now on, if you are going to allege I said something, link the post or don’t even mention it. I’m sick of your antics in this manner.

 

[MT15]

Farb, that incident in Loudoun County didn’t involve a trans student. The only sources for that allegation are unreliable as far as I can tell. The police and/or the prosecutor had to make a statement that the student wasn’t trans at the time, IIRC. Even the article you just posted doesn’t characterize the perpetrator as trans. Yet, you are still alleging this involved a trans student. Why do you do that?

Also, the superintendent explained earlier that when asked about sexual assaults in bathrooms he was answering that in the context of trans students because they were discussing allowing trans students to use their preferred bathrooms. This wasn’t involving a trans student, so he didn’t mention it. That’s the “lie” you reference.

It is clear that allowing the student to transfer to a different school where he assaulted a female student wasn’t a good choice and apparently the board decided to place the blame on the superintendent. Interestingly, the board decided their firing was “without cause”. This allows him to get a six figure separation payment. Why would they do that if they think they’re on solid ground with the firing? I think it may be an indication that they are acquiescing to local parents who have been whipped into a frenzy by people who are using this horrible incident to further an anti-trans agenda.

What say you about these points?

 

[cuddlemonkey]

Damn you Cuddles, that is a good one!

I have my moments.

 

[cuddlemonkey]

Probably for the same reason that you didn't think anything like this was happening. I do detect the bias that it is trying to be hidden by the media so people won't know it is happening and it is working on you.

Do you consider an adult telling a child to keep something that deals with sexuality from their parent to be a form of grooming and if not, what do you consider grooming?

I believe any child will be happier when they are not being groomed or abused. Do you think most councilors would tell their child patients to not tell their parents and 'it is there little secret'? That is gross.

Gender identity has nothing to do with sexuality. People that identify as male, for example, can be gay, straight, bi, asexual, pansexual, or any other number of things.

 

[SystemShock]

That is what was said out Islam recently too, is it not.

Islam has apologists too.

The Christian faith has become a little too peaceful honestly.

Would you like to see another inquisition, crusade?

Yep, just like those wing nuts. On a side note, have you read up on how bad the FBI screwed that up and killed all those people by their arrogance? Also see Ruby ridge.

So you think the Branch Davidians were leftists?

As for the side note, it wasn't the FBI's arrogance that killed all those people. It was those people refusing to comply with lawful bench warrants and shooting at the FBI that killed them.

 

[SystemShock]

At birth, no, a kid can't even keep themselves alive but over time and through observation, do you not think it is possible that they come to the conclusion of a divine maker?

Of course it is possible, as evidenced by the 1000's of gods that we know of, and what they represent, that humans have worshipped throughout history.

After all, religion/belief had to be created by someone at sometime.

Yes, religion/belief had to be created by someone at sometime, which proves that atheism is very much the default position; one becomes a believer on something, which clearly indicates a prior lack of belief.

 

[Optimus Prime]

This year’s surge in anti-LGBTQ legislation, threats and protests — punctuated by the killing of five people at the gay bar Club Q in Colorado last month — has brought grief and exacerbated fear among LGBTQ Americans.

State legislators targeted gay and trans rights, while armed demonstrators threatened drag events and Pride celebrations, and children’s hospitals faced harassment organized by an anti-LGBTQ social media campaign. Politicians and influencers elevated rhetoric falsely portraying LGBTQ people as pedophiles, while school boards banned books addressing gender and sexuality.

After the shooting at Club Q, the Department of Homeland Security warned that LGBTQ people were under threat from domestic extremists. Last week, survivors of the attack testified in Congress about anti-LGBTQ violence.

Some LGBTQ people saw a positive step in the federal law protecting same-sex marriages that was signed last week. But given a broader backdrop of rising extremism and ongoing gun violence, others said this year has fractured their sense of safety.

Many are grappling with a tension between protecting themselves and showing resistance; sounding the alarm and avoiding victimization; feeling fear and holding joy.

As the year comes to a close, six people talked to The Washington Post about 2022 — what the year has changed, what it hasn’t and what it means for being LGBTQ in America.

When people in Emmanuel Cisneros’s conservative Colorado town see him in public wearing the glitter makeup that’s become his “personal brand,” he wants them to know one thing: They can’t put him back in the closet.

For Cisneros, 31, the “huge shift” away from progress for LGBTQ rights this year brought fear, anger and a familiar internal debate about how to react: Should he be less visibly queer in public — or more? But it also pushed Cisneros toward a clear answer.

“Before 2022 … I had the thought, ‘Maybe I’m being a little too much. Maybe I just need to tone it down a bit,’” said Cisneros, of Clifton, Colo., who is nonbinary and uses he/they pronouns. “But now I just feel like that voice isn’t there anymore. And [it’s] just like, put on all the glitter and all the Pride flags.”

Applying the iridescent glitter to his eyes and cheeks in the morning has become an empowering ritual. Cisneros puts it on to send a message that he exists and deserves to exist — and he hopes it might make other LGBTQ people who see him feel less alone...............

Zofia Janusz​

Since the mass killing at Club Q, Zofia Janusz has stopped dyeing her hair pink. She avoids wearing bright colors or dramatic patterns. Before she goes outside, she hides her septum ring by flipping it up or donning a mask.

It’s safest, Janusz feels, if no one can guess that she’s a lesbian.

“When I dress myself in the morning I’m like, ‘Okay, I look like a queer person right now,’” said Janusz, 19, a student at University of Massachusetts at Lowell. “‘Am I okay with that?’”

That fear was less pronounced before the shooting in Colorado Springs. Janusz had worried some about the spread of anti-LGBTQ sentiment, but she was “fully out” on campus and felt comfortable discussing issues of sexuality in class. She was also open about having a girlfriend.

Now Janusz is reconsidering how visible she wants to be. She thinks twice about holding hands with her girlfriend in public or attending LGBTQ-focused events on campus, worried about attracting the wrong kind of attention. Plans made before the Club Q shooting to visit a gay bar in Boston no longer feel safe.

Janusz also nixed plans to come out to her extended family at Thanksgiving, days after the Colorado attack. She had seen the shooting suspect’s father suggest in an interview that he was more worried about his son being gay than about him being a suspected shooter.

The father said he identifies as politically conservative, just like the family members Janusz was going to spend the holiday with. Suddenly, she didn’t want to broach the subject of her sexuality...........

https://www.washingtonpost.com/nation/2022/12/22/lgbtq-threats-attacks-trans-bills/?utm_campaign=wp_post_most&utm_medium=email&utm_source=newsletter&wpisrc=nl_most&carta-url=https%3A%2F%2Fs2.washingtonpost.com%2Fcar-ln-tr%2F38a38dd%2F63a490f7ef9bf67b232f7900%2F5a0cb1ffade4e230f7038273%2F16%2F72%2F63a490f7ef9bf67b232f7900&wp_cu=104d64de80476c1556d5d0790213672b%7CC0D737332B174969E0430100007FF0C5

 

[Optimus Prime]

Numerous Republican Congressmembers who have accused LGBTQ+ people of sexualizing children just voted against a bill that would help the actual victims of child sex abuse.

The bill, entitled Respect for Child Survivors Act, was developed with input from child welfare groups to address the mistreatment that child witnesses sometimes face during investigations of their own abuse.

The bill requires the FBI to form multi-disciplinary teams to investigate child sex abuse cases in a way that ensures accountability and transparency without re-traumatizing victims and their families. The teams would include “investigative personnel, mental health professionals, medical personnel, family advocacy workers, child advocacy workers, and prosecutors,” Newsweek reported.

The bipartisan bill — which was introduced by Senators John Cornyn (R-TX), Chris Coons (D-DE), Lindsey Graham (R-SC), and Amy Klobuchar (D-MN) — passed the House with 215 Democratic and 170 Republican votes.

“It takes tremendous courage for young victims of sexual assault to tell their story and overcome the fear that they may not be taken seriously, may be ignored, or may be wrongfully blamed,” said Cornyn. “To avoid re-traumatizing victims during the investigation process, it’s imperative we give these individuals the support they need to ensure survivors feel respected during the interview process and abusers are prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law.”

However, 28 Republicans voted against the bill.

Those Republicans include Reps. Lauren Boebert (CO), Marjorie Taylor Greene (GA), Louie Gohmert (TX), Paul Gosar (AZ), and Rick Crawford (AR). All of these Republicans have opposed the expansion of LGBTQ+ civil rights and many have accused the LGBTQ+ community of sexualizing or “grooming” kids........

GOP Congressmembers who are very concerned about grooming vote against child sex abuse bill

 

[MT15]

Here is a thread showing that the terroristic Twitter account that Farb and SFL have both posted on here has a correlation between their tweets and bomb threats. This includes the Damiriscotta Maine school that Farb just posted about a few days ago, which received bomb threats after being tweeted about by LibsofTikTok. It’s a whole thread, with multiple examples.

 

[nolaspe]

Here is a thread showing that the terroristic Twitter account that Farb and SFL have both posted on here has a correlation between their tweets and bomb threats. This includes the Damiriscotta Maine school that Farb just posted about a few days ago, which received bomb threats after being tweeted about by LibsofTikTok. It’s a whole thread, with multiple examples.

Libs of tik tok is the worst...

 

[Optimus Prime]

Libs of tik tok is the worst...

Article on the woman behind it
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On March 8, a Twitter account called Libs of TikTok posted a video of a woman teaching sex education to children in Kentucky, calling the woman in the video a “predator.”

The next evening, the same clip was featured on Laura Ingraham’s Fox News program, prompting the host to ask, “When did our public schools, any schools, become what are essentially grooming centers for gender identity radicals?”


Libs of TikTok reposts a steady stream of TikTok videos and social media posts, primarily from LGBTQ+ people, often including incendiary framing designed to generate outrage. Videos shared from the account quickly find their way to the most influential names in right-wing media.

The account has emerged as a powerful force on the Internet, shaping right-wing media, impacting anti-LGBTQ+ legislation and influencing millions by posting viral videos aimed at inciting outrage among the right.


The anonymous account’s impact is deep and far-reaching. Its content is amplified by high-profile media figures, politicians and right-wing influencers. Its tweets reach millions, with influence spreading far beyond its more than 648,000 Twitter followers.

Libs of TikTok has become an agenda-setter in right-wing online discourse, and the content it surfaces shows a direct correlation with the recent push in legislation and rhetoric directly targeting the LGBTQ+ community.


“Libs of TikTok is basically acting as a wire service for the broader right-wing media ecosystem,” said Ari Drennen, LGBTQ program director for Media Matters, the progressive media watchdog group. “It’s been shaping public policy in a real way, and affecting teachers’ ability to feel safe in their classrooms.”……..

Throughout its increasingly popular posts and despite numerous media appearances, the account has remained anonymous. But the identity of the operator of Libs of TikTok is traceable through a complex online history and reveals someone who has been plugged into right-wing discourse for two years and is now helping to drive it.

Chaya Raichik had been working as a real estate salesperson in Brooklyn when, in early November 2020, she created the account that would eventually become Libs of TikTok.
Under her first handle @shaya69830552, she minimized covid, cast doubt on the election results and promoted a dubious story about a child sex trafficking ring.

On Nov. 23, 2020, Raichik changed handles, this time going by @shaya_ray and identifying herself publicly as a real estate investor in Brooklyn.

She began doubling down on election fraud conspiracies using QAnon-related language. Early that December, she joked about launching a clothing line titled “voter fraud is real.”….,

https://www.washingtonpost.com/technology/2022/04/19/libs-of-tiktok-right-wing-media/

 

[MT15]

She is a horrible person. Calling for gay teachers to be fired on the spot if they confirm they are gay. Also promoted the absolute lie that schools were installing litter boxes for children to use. She is probably mentally ill, IMO. She belongs to a fringe Jewish sect that is radical in their beliefs.

“She called on her followers to contact schools that were allowing “boys in the girls bathrooms” and pushed the false conspiracy theory that schools were installing litter boxes in bathrooms for children who identify as cats. She also purported that adults who teach children about LGBTQ+ identities are “abusive,” that being gender-nonconforming or an ally to the LGBTQ+ community is a “mental illness,” and referred to schools as “government run indoctrination camps” for the LGBTQ+ community.”

She’s a filthy liar.

 

[cuddlemonkey]

She is a horrible person. Calling for gay teachers to be fired on the spot if they confirm they are gay. Also promoted the absolute lie that schools were installing litter boxes for children to use. She is probably mentally ill, IMO. She belongs to a fringe Jewish sect that is radical in their beliefs.

“She called on her followers to contact schools that were allowing “boys in the girls bathrooms” and pushed the false conspiracy theory that schools were installing litter boxes in bathrooms for children who identify as cats. She also purported that adults who teach children about LGBTQ+ identities are “abusive,” that being gender-nonconforming or an ally to the LGBTQ+ community is a “mental illness,” and referred to schools as “government run indoctrination camps” for the LGBTQ+ community.”

She’s a filthy liar.

She sounds a lot like some people on this board...

 

[Bigdaddysaints]

She sounds a lot like some people on this board...

Its like the kid wanting to use a litterbox. They make up those lies because they know their base will buy it hook line and sinker. It doesn't have to be real, they just convince the idiots to believe it. It works 100% of the time for them.

 

[Farb]

So then the religion of the church a child attends has little, or nothing, to do with what that child thinks. He just blindly accepts it, or not, meaning the religion most people believe in around the world has mainly to do with whatever church they HAPPENED to attend as a child and little to do with the religion itself.



Where did I say anything about that?

Are you willing to make the same stance on school? Does a child who attends school volunteer to participate in a pride parade at school?

A parent, has all the rights over a child. Why? Because they made them and they are theirs. I know it is fashionable to push back against that as the war of the west is in full swing but you have to be honest, all parents in all societies want and expect to have dominion over their young children.

Can you give me a reason on why you think the state has more right to determine how a parent raises their child? (please assume we are discussing a normal parent child relationship).