All Things LGBTQ+ (4 Viewers)

[Farb]

Didn't really see a place for this so I thought I would start a thread about all things LGBTQ since this is a pretty hot topic in our culture right now

https://www.cnbc.com/2021/06/17/sup...y-that-refuses-to-work-with-lgbt-couples.html

• The Supreme Court on Thursday delivered a unanimous defeat to LGBT couples in a high-profile case over whether Philadelphia could refuse to contract with a Roman Catholic adoption agency that says its religious beliefs prevent it from working with same-sex foster parents.
• Chief Justice John Roberts wrote in an opinion for a majority of the court that Philadelphia violated the First Amendment by refusing to contract with Catholic Social Services once it learned that the organization would not certify same-sex couples for adoption.

I will admit, I was hopeful for this decision by the SCOTUS but I was surprised by the unanimous decision.

While I don't think there is anything wrong, per se, with same sex couples adopting and raising children (I actually think it is a good thing as it not an abortion) but I also did not want to see the state force a religious institution to bend to a societal norm.

 

[SystemShock]

Yes.

There are Buddhist extremists in Myanmar, sure, but Buddhism is mostly a religion that is peaceful and keeps to itself.

A cult

Like the Branch Davidians?

 

[SystemShock]

Can you provide proof everyone starts off as an atheist? Are you an atheist?

No one is born being a believer. Religion is something that is taught. A newborn doesn't know of any god any better than they know of Santa, or the city they were born in. If people were born believers. either the entirety of humanity ever would believe in the same god, or 1000's of gods exist.

 

[Optimus Prime]

The U.S. Education Department’s civil rights enforcement arm has launched an investigation into a North Texas school district whose superintendent was secretly recorded ordering librarians to remove LGBTQ-themed library books.

Education and legal experts say the federal probe of the Granbury Independent School District — which stemmed from a complaint by the American Civil Liberties Union of Texas and reporting by NBC News, ProPublica and The Texas Tribune — appears to be the first such investigation explicitly tied to the nationwide movement to ban school library books dealing with sexuality and gender.

The Education Department’s Office for Civil Rights notified Granbury school officials on Dec. 6 that it had opened the investigation following a July complaint by the ACLU, which accused the district of violating a federal law that prohibits discrimination based on sexual orientation and gender. The ACLU complaint was based largely on an investigation published in March by NBC News, ProPublica and the Tribune that revealed that Granbury’s superintendent, Jeremy Glenn, instructed librarians to remove books dealing with sexual orientation and people who are transgender.

“I acknowledge that there are men that think they’re women and there are women that think they’re men,” Glenn told librarians in January, according to a leaked recording of the meeting obtained, verified and published exclusively by the news outlets. “I don’t have any issues with what people want to believe, but there’s no place for it in our libraries.”

Later in the meeting, Glenn clarified that he was specifically focused on removing books geared toward queer students: “It’s the transgender, LGBTQ and the sex — sexuality — in books,” he said, according to the recording.

The comments, combined with the district’s subsequent decision to remove dozens of library books pending a review, fostered a “pervasively hostile” environment for LGBTQ students, the ACLU wrote in its complaint. Chloe Kempf, an ACLU attorney, said the Education Department’s decision to open the investigation into Granbury ISD signals that the agency is concerned about what she described as “a wave” of anti-LGBTQ policies and book removals nationally.

“In this case it was made very clear, because the superintendent kind of said the quiet part out loud,” Kempf said in an interview. “It’s pretty clear that that kind of motivation is animating a lot of these policies nationwide.”.............

A Texas Superintendent Ordered School Librarians to Remove LGBTQ Books. Now The Federal Government Is Investigating.

 

[coldseat]

Could it not be for public saftey? I didn't read the article, but I assume it would help in identifying someone who the state might be looking for whether it be for a crime or help. Are ages on DL also a relic of the past?

No. That has nothing to do with public safety. All it has to do with is targeting Trans people/families.

Paxton’s office denies making any such request of DPS, despite these internal emails and the DPS spokesperson’s claim to the Post. According to Gillian Branstetter, a communications strategist at the ACLU’s Women’s Rights Project and LGBTQ & HIV Project, we’ve seen this secrecy around Texas’ surveillance of trans people, before—at the state Department of Family and Protective Services, employees working on gender-affirming care-related investigations were instructed “to leave no paper trail,” Branstetter told Jezebel.

“I was never interested in giving Ken Paxton the benefit of the doubt, and the fact that he has now repeatedly attempted to cover his tracks when taking grave, traumatic steps to persecute trans people suggests any good intentions he claims to have are lies and cover-ups,” Branstetter said. Paxton’s office has not responded to multiple requests for comment.

 

[superchuck500]

I still think protected classes are against the constitution and will only create a deeper divide in this country, but I also believe that is by design.

Protected classes are a direct result of the 14th Amendment. Why is it so hard just to not discriminate? It really is remarkable arrogance and entitlement for some business owner to think that they have a prerogative to endorse the lives their customers are living. If you’re open to the public, you’re open to the public.

Interpretation: The Equal Protection Clause | Constitution Center

Interpretations of The Equal Protection Clause by constitutional scholars

constitutioncenter.org

 

[MT15]

https://www.themainewire.com/2022/1...ion-for-13-year-old-girl-in-maine-school-mom/

A Damariscotta mom demanded the resignation of several public school officials at a school board meeting Wednesday following her discovery that a school social worker had begun secretly transitioning her 13-year-old daughter’s gender.

In an emotionally charged address to the school board, Amber Lavigne said a Central Lincoln County School System (CLCSS) social worker at Great Salt Bay Community School in Damariscotta provided a chest binder to her daughter — a gender transitioning device the employee encouraged the young girl to keep secret from her parents.

I know everywhere is complaining about the use of the word 'groomer' in regards to schools and transing kids. What would you all call it when a person gives a 13 year old a binder for their breasts and instructs the kids to keep it a secret?

Why does this story not exist in the actual local Damariscotta newspaper? Why do you think the article is written in the way it is written? Can you detect the bias?

Do you think that the school counselor just picked this student at random and started telling them they should transition? Or is it possible this child is having issues with their gender and reached out to the school?

Do you believe the mom when she says that her child is much happier now that they have withdrawn from school and ceased all talk about gender, or do you think the child might need someone to talk to about it?

 

[MT15]

Oh, look, there’s a statement from the school on their website. They are talking about the story Farb posted, saying it’s inaccurate and seeking to divide the community.

Great Salt Bay School

greatsaltbayschool.org

 

[MT15]

It’s so freaking easy to believe a story that confirms a bias. And I’m sure Farb will continue to believe the story he read on some website that isn’t a local news source because he wants to believe it. He wants to believe it so damn much that he won’t even consider it could be wrong.

It took less than five minutes to discover that the “facts” of the story are in dispute and that the school is following Maine law in regards to the student in question.

This is why our entire form of government is in peril, this freaking stupid confirmation bias. I’m really sick of it and frustrated with people who go along with it. Especially when they won’t lift a finger to check a story or even use the common sense they have.

 

[MT15]

For example: the school cannot discuss this case in any way, because of the privacy rights of the people involved. So every allegation we are seeing is from the student’s mother, who was said to have discovered the piece of cloth the student was using to bind her chest.

Farb, can you not imagine a panicked child, facing a very upset parent, throwing the blame on the school to save themselves from the blame and wrath of the parent?

Yet, your biased article, written not by a news organization in any real sense, but by a website run by 3 people, makes no mention of that extremely likely possibility. And their passage on the “side effects” of the “medical device” (which is how they describe the binding cloth) is laughable. You know what else has all those possible side effects? Bras, that‘s what. Lol.

So I would suggest you either make some sort of effort to vet your sorry sources, or just realize you are going to be looked upon as someone who doesn’t care about what’s true, only what they can use to “score points”. And ultimately - not a good faith poster. It is what it is.

 

[V Chip]

Can you provide proof everyone starts off as an atheist? Are you an atheist?

That’s easy.

Does a newborn baby believe in god(s)? Do they believe in *anything*?

atheist​

noun​

athe·ist ˈā-thē-ist

: a person who does not believe in the existence of a god or any gods

 

[cuddlemonkey]

Animals are horny and the urge to procreate is a strong urge. Humans, while we are animals, we are supposed to be have evolved past that yet the left now thinks the most important part of a person is their sexual appetite and needs to be if not celebrated, encouraged.

That dolphins are whores, rapey and nasty of course.

Jesus, this is pathetic.

 

[cuddlemonkey]

You can be skeptical but yes, it is truth. One couple I know, have said they know it is a sin (they are catholic for what that is worth) and go to confession regularly to atone for it. Granted, I think that is a bit much but I admire their faith none the less, no matter that I tend to disagree with them on that. Another lady I know believes herself to be gay but choses not to be sexually active (granted, she is older so not sure how much of a stretch that is). Believe it or not, sexuality is not he main thing everyone bases their level of self worth on.
So as of right now, no civil rights are in question. Anyone can get married and anyone can buy a cake.
Now the marketplace idea, which, I think you know, I think to be a silly argument is also not in play as they can buy a cake from the religious baker, just not compel the baker to bake them a specific cake.

I still think protected classes are against the constitution and will only create a deeper divide in this country, but I also believe that is by design.

I had no idea you drank beer with our governor.

 

[BullSheetBuddha]

Are we not talking about educating children without their consent? You definitely are.
You are asking who get to make decisions about how to raise children. I say parents, you clearly think the government.
Why do you think the government is better equipped to decide how a child will be raised? Would you still think that way if the government brought school prayer back and encouraged lessons based on the judea-christian belief system of western civ? Something tells you would feel different so that should tell you that you want to 'volunteer' children for only what you believe to be right. And that would be a fine position if you were the parent, but a bureaucracy or a union is not a parent.
What makes you want to dismantle the idea the nuclear family, what threat does it pose to your political leanings?

What are you talking about? I asked you a question. Do you think a child that goes to church is volunteering for that religion? What's your answer?

 

[Farb]

There are Buddhist extremists in Myanmar, sure, but Buddhism is mostly a religion that is peaceful and keeps to itself.

Like the Branch Davidians?

That is what was said out Islam recently too, is it not. The Christian faith has become a little too peaceful honestly.

Yep, just like those wing nuts. On a side note, have you read up on how bad the FBI screwed that up and killed all those people by their arrogance? Also see Ruby ridge.

 

[Farb]

No one is born being a believer. Religion is something that is taught. A newborn doesn't know of any god any better than they know of Santa, or the city they were born in. If people were born believers. either the entirety of humanity ever would believe in the same god, or 1000's of gods exist.

At birth, no, a kid can't even keep themselves alive but over time and through observation, do you not think it is possible that they come to the conclusion of a divine maker? After all, religion/belief had to be created by someone at sometime.

 

[Farb]

Protected classes are a direct result of the 14th Amendment. Why is it so hard just to not discriminate? It really is remarkable arrogance and entitlement for some business owner to think that they have a prerogative to endorse the lives their customers are living. If you’re open to the public, you’re open to the public.

Interpretation: The Equal Protection Clause | Constitution Center

Interpretations of The Equal Protection Clause by constitutional scholars

constitutioncenter.org

I agree, if a store discriminates, then another store that doesn't will open then the old one will no longer be open to the public. I am against discrimination and it is not hard to not do it.
Do you not agree that a private business can refuse service to anyone or, much like twitter, ban anyone they want from their product? It seems like you can't have it both ways. Either a private company can do what it wants and provide it's product to who it chooses or it can not.
Do you think there should a lawsuit against twitter for banning people from their product while twitter was open to the public?

 

[Farb]

Why does this story not exist in the actual local Damariscotta newspaper? Why do you think the article is written in the way it is written? Can you detect the bias?

Do you think that the school counselor just picked this student at random and started telling them they should transition? Or is it possible this child is having issues with their gender and reached out to the school?

Do you believe the mom when she says that her child is much happier now that they have withdrawn from school and ceased all talk about gender, or do you think the child might need someone to talk to about it?

Probably for the same reason that you didn't think anything like this was happening. I do detect the bias that it is trying to be hidden by the media so people won't know it is happening and it is working on you.

Do you consider an adult telling a child to keep something that deals with sexuality from their parent to be a form of grooming and if not, what do you consider grooming?

I believe any child will be happier when they are not being groomed or abused. Do you think most councilors would tell their child patients to not tell their parents and 'it is there little secret'? That is gross.

 

[Farb]

I had no idea you drank beer with our governor.

Damn you Cuddles, that is a good one!