All Things LGBTQ+ (2 Viewers)

[Farb]

Didn't really see a place for this so I thought I would start a thread about all things LGBTQ since this is a pretty hot topic in our culture right now

https://www.cnbc.com/2021/06/17/sup...y-that-refuses-to-work-with-lgbt-couples.html

• The Supreme Court on Thursday delivered a unanimous defeat to LGBT couples in a high-profile case over whether Philadelphia could refuse to contract with a Roman Catholic adoption agency that says its religious beliefs prevent it from working with same-sex foster parents.
• Chief Justice John Roberts wrote in an opinion for a majority of the court that Philadelphia violated the First Amendment by refusing to contract with Catholic Social Services once it learned that the organization would not certify same-sex couples for adoption.

I will admit, I was hopeful for this decision by the SCOTUS but I was surprised by the unanimous decision.

While I don't think there is anything wrong, per se, with same sex couples adopting and raising children (I actually think it is a good thing as it not an abortion) but I also did not want to see the state force a religious institution to bend to a societal norm.

 

[coldseat]

Link seems to be dead, but what it's worth is essentially nothing. It appears to be a Fox News rehash of a Telegraph misrepresentation of reality.

As always, especially when you see right-wing reporting on the NHS, it's better to go straight to the source. E.g.

NHS commissioning » Implementing advice from the Cass Review

NHS England is committed to improving and expanding gender services for children and young people to ensure that they receive safe, responsive, holistic care. The Cass Review was an independent review of NHS gender identity services for children and young people, commissioned by NHS England in...

www.england.nhs.uk

I'm not going to go through the whole misreporting - because pretty much every part of is at best misleading and at worst just plain wrong - but to give one example, as you can see in the NHS link, the "ban on prescribing puberty blockers" for under 18s isn't anything of the sort. First, what it is, relates to under 16s, second, it's not limiting their use to "strict clinical trials," it's expanding clinical research to include everyone using them, with wider availability to care through regional services rather than the one centralised service, and while that's being set up, it's continuing to provide them under the current NHS protocols. Some 'ban'.

So as anyone can see, what the NHS is actually doing is expanding and improving services for gender care, since the existing service was centralised, isolated, and overwhelmed. You'd get the impression from the right-wing coverage they're doing the opposite. But the reality is more funding, more services, and more support.

Thanks for clearing that up. I had figured, without even reading the linked article, that is was exaggerated misinformation. It's tragic how much energy, money and time the right wing invest in lying and deceiving their adherents to manipulate the public at large. And it's even more tragic how effective it is with those adherents because they keep buying it without any critical thought just so they can force the world to live in their little conservative bubble than live in actual reality.

 

[Farb]

I didn't say anything about kids.

Then we are discussing different things. I have been to more drag shows than I care to count. I had fun at some and not at others. I don't care what grown men do in their own houses, clubs, bars. I could not careless.
What I do care about it all the sudden with the 'dragequeen story hour' from a few years ago at the local public library has now morphed into these grown men dancing specifically for children and in schools (thank the Lord not as much recently because of the that backlash.

I have yet to any reason that makes sense on why we need to expose children to men dancing around in woman face? How does that benifit children in anyway? No one can give me an answer besides some dumb virtue signal of 'inclusion' or some thing.

So I guess we agree? Do you think it is inappropriate for a kid to be introduced to a drag show through public educational system?

 

[BullSheetBuddha]

.............................I have yet to any reason that makes sense on why we need to expose children to men dancing around in woman face? How does that benifit children in anyway? No one can give me an answer besides some dumb virtue signal of 'inclusion' or some thing.

So I guess we agree? Do you think it is inappropriate for a kid to be introduced to a drag show through public educational system?

I have no idea what this is about. I have no idea who is doing it, where it's being done, or exactly what's going on. So, I can't give you an answer.

 

[Farb]

Link seems to be dead, but what it's worth is essentially nothing. It appears to be a Fox News rehash of a Telegraph misrepresentation of reality.

As always, especially when you see right-wing reporting on the NHS, it's better to go straight to the source. E.g.

NHS commissioning » Implementing advice from the Cass Review

NHS England is committed to improving and expanding gender services for children and young people to ensure that they receive safe, responsive, holistic care. The Cass Review was an independent review of NHS gender identity services for children and young people, commissioned by NHS England in...

www.england.nhs.uk

I'm not going to go through the whole misreporting - because pretty much every part of is at best misleading and at worst just plain wrong - but to give one example, as you can see in the NHS link, the "ban on prescribing puberty blockers" for under 18s isn't anything of the sort. First, what it is, relates to under 16s, second, it's not limiting their use to "strict clinical trials," it's expanding clinical research to include everyone using them, with wider availability to care through regional services rather than the one centralised service, and while that's being set up, it's continuing to provide them under the current NHS protocols. Some 'ban'.

So as anyone can see, what the NHS is actually doing is expanding and improving services for gender care, since the existing service was centralised, isolated, and overwhelmed. You'd get the impression from the right-wing coverage they're doing the opposite. But the reality is more funding, more services, and more support.

https://www.engage.england.nhs.uk/s...services-for-children-and-young-people-22.pdf

You are 'kind of' correct.
They are creating more 'clinics' for gender care but as stated in the document above it is because : (page 5)
1. A significant and sharp rise in referrals In 2021/22 there were over 5,000 referrals into the Gender Identity Development Service (GIDS) run by the Tavistock and Portman NHS Foundation Trust. This compares to just under 250 referrals in 2011/12.
2. Marked changes in the types of patients being referred which are not well understood
There has been a dramatic change in the case-mix of referrals from predominantly birth-registered males to predominantly birth-registered females presenting with gender incongruence in early teen years. Additionally, a significant number of children are also presenting with neurodiversity and other mental health needs and risky behaviours which requires careful consideration and needs to be better understood.

So to me that says with the huge increase and original state sponsored gender care was shuttered due to doing a horrible job, they are increasing the centers to better server the community since the wait time was getting too long.

and, not more, but just complete research was needed. That is why all who are put into this program (which by itself is just study) will be tracked and monitored into adult hood. Although I was told all of this was backed by science but science is saying is need a lot more science to create the science so that all the doctors are on board with what science actually found.

It also goes not to expand the 'gender team' to include several, several more doctors in the treatment of minors:

"The current service specification for GIDS describes that the service is delivered through a specialist multidisciplinary team with contributions from specialist social workers, family therapists, psychiatrists, psychologists, psychotherapists, paediatric and adolescent endocrinologists and clinical nurse practitioners. The new interim service specification proposes to extend the clinical team so that it is a more integrated multi-disciplinary team that, in addition to gender dysphoria specialists, will include experts in paediatric medicine, autism, neurodisability and mental health.

The reason for this proposal is to respond to evidence that there is a higher prevalence of other complex presentations in children and young people who have gender dysphoria"

So this is a basically saying 'gender affirming care' as it is currently is not acceptable because there are no long term studies on the harm/benefit of these drugs and social transitioning on minor through adulthood. I think I have said that before, it is just nice for a medical organization to finally admit it and start putting the health and safety of their patients above the financial prize.

Also there have been a 400% rise in chest surgeries this year alone. Are we expected to still believe this is not a social contagion on the young?

 

[Optimus Prime]

Then we are discussing different things. I have been to more drag shows than I care to count.

After years of reading @Farb posts I know one thing for certain

THAT’S a man who’s been to more drag shows than he can count

 

[brandon]

I have been to more drag shows than I care to count.

Why? I've never been to a single drag show in my life.

 

[Farb]

After years of reading @Farb posts I know one thing for certain

THAT’S a man who’s been to more drag shows than he can count

You can go ahead and say it. You are not being as clever as you think and the others will get a kick out of it. Roll with it my man..

All- @Optimus Prime has a zinger for everyone, yall gather around.
He is saying I am a secretive homosexual!!!! HAHA. Get it. I go to drag shows and hate myself for it so I take it out on the gays!!!! ZING!! I am in the closet.

Clever way to debate by calling people names, maybe you can just post an article instead of actually debating?

 

[brandon]

You can go ahead and say it. You are not being as clever as you think and the others will get a kick out of it. Roll with it my man..

All- @Optimus Prime has a zinger for everyone, yall gather around.
He is saying I am a secretive homosexual!!!! HAHA. Get it. I go to drag shows and hate myself for it so I take it out on the gays!!!! ZING!! I am in the closet.

Clever way to debate by calling people names, maybe you can just post an article instead of actually debating?

The lady doth protest too much, methinks.

 

[SystemShock]

but Milli Vanilli isn't a really part of it.

Lip sync'ing, anyone?
Not the place for sophisticated humor, I guess

You are making a lot of claims... who knew drag queens are the catalysts for the 2nd renaissance

 

[SystemShock]

Marginalizing drag queens I see.

If you think that is marginalization, then you don't know what marginalization is.

 

[SystemShock]

Oh for crying out loud. Of course drag queens have a history of being marginalized by this society.

Tell you what. If you know some guy who's looking for a job right now tell him to interview in drag.

How about if I told that guy to interview naked?
What if the interview is for a firefighter? Do you think high heels and lots of hair spray would do fine in a fire?
Or how about a woman dressed only in her underwear?

For the record, tech firms, movie studios, music business, many places will hire a person dressed in drag. Maybe not Hobby Lobby or Chick-Fil-A (although CFA hires known gay and lesbian) but there are many industries that would not think twice in hiring someone dressed in drag, as long as the costume doesn't prevent them from doing the job or put them in danger.

 

[BullSheetBuddha]

If you think that is marginalization, then you don't know what marginalization is.

This is a waste of time.

 

[SystemShock]

This is a waste of time.

No kidding.

 

[Optimus Prime]

You can go ahead and say it. You are not being as clever as you think and the others will get a kick out of it. Roll with it my man..

All- @Optimus Prime has a zinger for everyone, yall gather around.
He is saying I am a secretive homosexual!!!! HAHA. Get it. I go to drag shows and hate myself for it so I take it out on the gays!!!! ZING!! I am in the closet.

Clever way to debate by calling people names, maybe you can just post an article instead of actually debating?

Odd reaction. Plenty of non gay people go to drag shows

Just meant that nothing about your posts in this thread alone suggests someone who's been to one drag show much less 'more than you can count"

So basically, I'm saying I don't believe you

 

[Farb]

Odd reaction. Plenty of non gay people go to drag shows

Just meant that nothing about your posts in this thread alone suggests someone who's been to one drag show much less 'more than you can count"

So basically, I'm saying I don't believe you

Oh, gotcha. I thought you were saying I go them because I hate myself like the muslim shooter at the gay bar.

Yeah, I have been to a lot. I have a family member that is a dragqueen and I have been to several of his shows in the quarter. Also locally at the gay bars here in my town (gay bars have the cheapest drinks FYI and not to brag, but most gay men love me. I am what they call a bear) so I have been to probably 10 or so total. I don't get it but then again, I am not the target audience so that is understandable.

 

[Farb]

Show you what an 11 year old drag queen can do? That is gross, so why do we need this again in our society, what are the benifits again?

 

[BullSheetBuddha]

No kidding.

Thanks for agreeing.




So, be nice:

 

[BullSheetBuddha]

Show you what an 11 year old drag queen can do? That is gross, so why do we need this again in our society, what are the benifits again?

This is not the kind of thing I pay attention to but I would guess it's primarily about acceptance, both on her part and ours, and she (below) seems pretty harmless to me.