All Things LGBTQ+ (2 Viewers)

[Farb]

Didn't really see a place for this so I thought I would start a thread about all things LGBTQ since this is a pretty hot topic in our culture right now

https://www.cnbc.com/2021/06/17/sup...y-that-refuses-to-work-with-lgbt-couples.html

• The Supreme Court on Thursday delivered a unanimous defeat to LGBT couples in a high-profile case over whether Philadelphia could refuse to contract with a Roman Catholic adoption agency that says its religious beliefs prevent it from working with same-sex foster parents.
• Chief Justice John Roberts wrote in an opinion for a majority of the court that Philadelphia violated the First Amendment by refusing to contract with Catholic Social Services once it learned that the organization would not certify same-sex couples for adoption.

I will admit, I was hopeful for this decision by the SCOTUS but I was surprised by the unanimous decision.

While I don't think there is anything wrong, per se, with same sex couples adopting and raising children (I actually think it is a good thing as it not an abortion) but I also did not want to see the state force a religious institution to bend to a societal norm.

 

[SystemShock]

https://scholarworks.umt.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=5531&context=etd

"Male privilege and non-male marginalization dominate the social world in America (McIntosh 1989, Peterson and Morgan 1995, Reskin 2002). Male privilege, the unearned advantages that men experience and that are unavailable to women, is present in American society through social, economic and political rights and benefits provided to men on the basis of their gender (McIntosh 1989). This is visible in the gender wage gap and the large ratio of male CEOs to female CEOs (Reskin 2002, Peterson and Morgan 1995). Non-male marginalization is realized as non-male genders being left out of the center of social, economic, and political circles. Marginalization is visible in situations where women are excluded from social circles that have power or from access to decision-making authority over their own lives.

Privilege and marginalization may be familiar topics of discussion in the realm of gender, but these concepts affect many other groups including those with non-heterosexual identities. The lesbian, gay, bisexual, transgender, intersex, queer, questioning, and asexual (LGBT+ or queer) community is a group that lacks heterosexual privilege and is marginalized based on their LGBT+ status. Because of this, LGBT+ people have a need for safe spaces where they can be openly LGBT+. Safe spaces are essential for people who have marginalized sexual orientations or who are gender variant in a heteronormative world. LGBT+ safe spaces are places that these individuals can be out and open without fear of backlash, outing, or discrimination. A safe space is somewhere that queer people feel comfortable being who they are.

Drag shows are often a beacon for a safe space that is open to all members of the queer community. The LGBT+ community has a history of using drag performance to advance goals of activism, visibility, charity work, and more recently, for profit. Communities often form around drag show events, especially amongst performers. Drag shows may be a pageant or contest in which there is a winner, or they may simply be a series of lip synching performances to entertain................"

That doesn't answer my question. How are drag queens periodically marginalized?

There are plenty of everyday, constant, legitimate, way bigger and much more impactful safe places where the LGBTQ+ community can be themselves and even thrive in the mainstream, which provide exponentially bigger arenas than drag queen shows could possibly provide, such as the fashion industry, the makeup industry, the arts and entertainment industries (theater, film, painting, sculpture, music, comedy, dance), etc, not to mention the gazillion gay and lesbian bars and associations littered all over the country.

So let's not over romanticize drag queen shows as some beacon of hope for the LGBTQ+ community.

 

[BullSheetBuddha]

That doesn't answer my question.

Sure it does.

"Male privilege and non-male marginalization dominate the social world in America...........

............................

Privilege and marginalization may be familiar topics of discussion in the realm of gender, but these concepts affect many other groups including those with non-heterosexual identities. The lesbian, gay, bisexual, transgender, intersex, queer, questioning, and asexual (LGBT+ or queer) community is a group that lacks heterosexual privilege and is marginalized based on their LGBT+ status."


Here's more:

https://www.washingtonpost.com/nation/2022/08/12/drag-mainstream-attacks-crossroads/

"In June, members of the far-right Proud Boys stormed into another Drag Queen Story Hour in California, yelling homophobic and transphobic remarks and prompting a hate-crime investigation. Later that month, a man carrying a rifle outside a drag story time in Nevada sent families running for cover. The same day, library security escorted a group of protesting men out of a drag program in Silver Spring, Md. Other events have been canceled out of fear of backlash."

 

[Farb]

Of course not, because you are hyper-religious, too.

I am but not sure how that relates

 

[Farb]

You think drag shows are evil? Lol.

Depends on the setting and the audience, but yes.

 

[Farb]

Well, according to https://www.usaspending.gov , which claims to be "An official website of the U.S. government", $20,600 dollars were given to CEN (initials in Spanish) specifically to "HOST 3 WORKSHOPS, 12 DRAG THEATER PERFORMANCES, AND PRODUCE A 2 MINUTE DOCUMENTARY" (copying and pasting from the site, that's why the caps) I think we can safely conclude that the workshops and documentary are also about drag queens.

No use, her first stance is always 'its not happening and a wacky right wing terrorist racist, misogynism, conspiracy theory'. Her next move, after MSNBC puts out talking points, will be how vital and enlighted this is and her hill to die on will be 'it is in the best interest for all involved' for woman face to be spread across the globe for the sake of global warming or something.

 

[Farb]

Perhaps she left out information, such as the very opening lines from that chapter that warn the reader exactly what is to come and encourages them to skip the entire thing if they're not comfortable with it.

Is this one of the books us boogeyman right wingers want to 'ban' from school libraries?

 

[Farb]

When you are complaining about 20,600 dollars it isn't because you are against wasteful spending, it's because you don't like the thing the money is being spent on.

A lot of both for me. You guys always seem surprised when the truth gets out and people are upset that their tax dollars are going to a political ideology. A great example would be abortion. "Safe, legal and rare" went really fast to 'abortion on demand and right'.
LGB marriage started off as that and now have gone to 'if you don't let this man in womanface dance for your kids, you are a bigot'.

 

[DJ1BigTymer]

blah blah....A great example would be abortion. "Safe, legal and rare" went really fast to 'abortion on demand and right'.

No it did not! It was actually Roe v Wade = legalized murder!!! That is it, end of story. Now since Dobbs it is just murder and its not stopping with abortion, you want to criminalize birth control methods and IVF!!!

LGB marriage started off as that and now have gone to 'if you don't let this man in womanface dance for your kids, you are a bigot'.

That is just stupid!!! Is there a government push for this? No. Why would there be?

Why do you care so much about how other people are living their lives? Why is it any of your business and much more why is it any business of the government? I swear, for a bunch of people soooo scared of Sharia Law, y'all really REALLY want the rest of us to live by their bassackward beliefs. This whole thread is pathetic.

 

[Farb]

https://www.foxnews.com/world/nhs-t...th-care-warns-uk-parents-transgenderism-phase

"The United Kingdom's National Health Service now says that most children claiming to be transgender may be going through a "transient phase."

The NHS plans to begin restricting gender-affirming treatment of minors who claim to be transgender, according to a report in The Telegraph.

Restrictions will be placed on puberty blockers, and medical doctors — not therapists — will be expected to lead the provision of transgender services.

"The clinical approach has to be mindful of the risks of an inappropriate gender transition and the difficulties that the child may experience in returning to the original gender role upon entering puberty if the gender incongruence does not persist," NHS communications stated, according to The Telegraph.

The Biden administration has been promoting puberty blocker and hormone therapy treatment drugs for transgender children even as it spent roughly $17 million on studies to analyze the dangers and uncertainties of the drugs.

The National Institutes of Health is funding nearly 30 studies on medical concerns for transgender people after hormone therapy, such as increased cardiovascular risks, weakened ability to fight sexually transmitted infections and higher levels of HIV and infertility. Several of these concerns are identified in NIH-funded studies on transgender youth.

One of these studies that began last year declares puberty blockers "have not been systematically studied."

Another study on hormone treatment for adolescents states there is "little to no empirical data guiding clinical practices."

God Bless the King! looks like reason might be making come back, it just took a male being on the throne to happen! (It is a joke, calm down).
I did find the last paragraph enlightening. I was unaware that the NIH is funding 30 studies into gender affirming drugs therapy. I guess the line that they are perfectly safe and have been tested was a lie otherwise why would they be spending 17M on studies? Is this still just a right wing conspiracy theory to attack the LGTBQ community or about protecting innocent and confused children?

 

[DJ1BigTymer]

https://www.foxnews.com/world/nhs-t...th-care-warns-uk-parents-transgenderism-phase

"The United Kingdom's National Health Service now says that most children claiming to be transgender may be going through a "transient phase."

The NHS plans to begin restricting gender-affirming treatment of minors who claim to be transgender, according to a report in The Telegraph.

Restrictions will be placed on puberty blockers, and medical doctors — not therapists — will be expected to lead the provision of transgender services.

"The clinical approach has to be mindful of the risks of an inappropriate gender transition and the difficulties that the child may experience in returning to the original gender role upon entering puberty if the gender incongruence does not persist," NHS communications stated, according to The Telegraph.

The Biden administration has been promoting puberty blocker and hormone therapy treatment drugs for transgender children even as it spent roughly $17 million on studies to analyze the dangers and uncertainties of the drugs.

The National Institutes of Health is funding nearly 30 studies on medical concerns for transgender people after hormone therapy, such as increased cardiovascular risks, weakened ability to fight sexually transmitted infections and higher levels of HIV and infertility. Several of these concerns are identified in NIH-funded studies on transgender youth.

One of these studies that began last year declares puberty blockers "have not been systematically studied."

Another study on hormone treatment for adolescents states there is "little to no empirical data guiding clinical practices."

God Bless the King! looks like reason might be making come back, it just took a male being on the throne to happen! (It is a joke, calm down).
I did find the last paragraph enlightening. I was unaware that the NIH is funding 30 studies into gender affirming drugs therapy. I guess the line that they are perfectly safe and have been tested was a lie otherwise why would they be spending 17M on studies? Is this still just a right wing conspiracy theory to attack the LGTBQ community or about protecting innocent and confused children?

Do not care.

 

[coldseat]

This whole thread is pathetic.

This!!! All of this! So much BULL !

 

[SystemShock]

Sure it does.

"Male privilege and non-male marginalization dominate the social world in America...........

It doesn't.

The lesbian, gay, bisexual, transgender, intersex, queer, questioning, and asexual (LGBT+ or queer) community is a group that lacks heterosexual privilege and is marginalized based on their LGBT+ status."


Here's more:

https://www.washingtonpost.com/nation/2022/08/12/drag-mainstream-attacks-crossroads/

"In June, members of the far-right Proud Boys stormed into another Drag Queen Story Hour in California, yelling homophobic and transphobic remarks and prompting a hate-crime investigation. Later that month, a man carrying a rifle outside a drag story time in Nevada sent families running for cover. The same day, library security escorted a group of protesting men out of a drag program in Silver Spring, Md. Other events have been canceled out of fear of backlash."

Random protests from extremists during drag queen story hour aren't "marginalization".

 

[cuddlemonkey]

Is this one of the books us boogeyman right wingers want to 'ban' from school libraries?

I have no idea what the list of banned (or potentially banned) books looks like. I wouldn't be shocked if it were on a bunch of lists, though. What's your point?

 

[BullSheetBuddha]

It doesn't.




Random protests from extremists during drag queen story hour aren't "marginalization".

Come on System, you know very well drag queens are periodically marginalized. I gave you specific examples of periodic marginalization.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/nation/2022/08/12/drag-mainstream-attacks-crossroads/

"In June, members of the far-right Proud Boys stormed into another Drag Queen Story Hour in California, yelling homophobic and transphobic remarks and prompting a hate-crime investigation. Later that month, a man carrying a rifle outside a drag story time in Nevada sent families running for cover. The same day, library security escorted a group of protesting men out of a drag program in Silver Spring, Md. Other events have been canceled out of fear of backlash."

 

[SaulGoodmanEsq]

I am but not sure how that relates

Quite nicely. You both lack objectivity. Of course, in her case it's more detrimental to the nation because it taints her interpretation of the law.

 

[coldseat]

That doesn't answer my question. How are drag queens periodically marginalized?

There are plenty of everyday, constant, legitimate, way bigger and much more impactful safe places where the LGBTQ+ community can be themselves and even thrive in the mainstream, which provide exponentially bigger arenas than drag queen shows could possibly provide, such as the fashion industry, the makeup industry, the arts and entertainment industries (theater, film, painting, sculpture, music, comedy, dance), etc, not to mention the gazillion gay and lesbian bars and associations littered all over the country.

So let's not over romanticize drag queen shows as some beacon of hope for the LGBTQ+ community.

I don't think you know much about drag culture. Drag queens and drag shows have been impacting popular culture for a long time now, including all of those areas you mentioned. From Madonna with Vogue and glam rock before that to current day pop culture. They also influence fashion and popular culture due to RuPaul's drag race and other such shows, not to mention entertainment with shows like Pose and others. In many ways, doing drag can be an inroads into many of those areas of life as careers.

 

[SystemShock]

I don't think you know much about drag culture. Drag queens and drag shows have been impacting popular culture for a long time now, including all of those areas you mentioned. From Madonna with Vogue and glam rock before that to current day pop culture. They also influence fashion and popular culture due to RuPaul's drag race and other such shows, not to mention entertainment with shows like Pose and others. In many ways, doing drag can be an inroads into many of those areas of life as careers.

Oh, yes. What would be of Western civilization without the influence of drag queens? We would've never known Milli Vanilli.

Personally, I'd have gone with Lady Gaga over Madonna, but that's just me.

 

[SystemShock]

Come on System, you know very well drag queens are periodically marginalized. I gave you specific examples of periodic marginalization.

You gave me specific examples of extremists' protests during what we can call mainstream events in schools, libraries, etc. attended by people outside the group in question. That's not marginalization.