All Things LGBTQ+ (9 Viewers)

[Farb]

Didn't really see a place for this so I thought I would start a thread about all things LGBTQ since this is a pretty hot topic in our culture right now

https://www.cnbc.com/2021/06/17/sup...y-that-refuses-to-work-with-lgbt-couples.html

• The Supreme Court on Thursday delivered a unanimous defeat to LGBT couples in a high-profile case over whether Philadelphia could refuse to contract with a Roman Catholic adoption agency that says its religious beliefs prevent it from working with same-sex foster parents.
• Chief Justice John Roberts wrote in an opinion for a majority of the court that Philadelphia violated the First Amendment by refusing to contract with Catholic Social Services once it learned that the organization would not certify same-sex couples for adoption.

I will admit, I was hopeful for this decision by the SCOTUS but I was surprised by the unanimous decision.

While I don't think there is anything wrong, per se, with same sex couples adopting and raising children (I actually think it is a good thing as it not an abortion) but I also did not want to see the state force a religious institution to bend to a societal norm.

 

[MT15]

It's both. Small expenditures can add up quickly.

You must be just incensed that Trump charged the Secret Service over $1000 a night at times when they were forced to stay in his properties. After Eric pledged that they would never profit from the Secret Service staying at their hotels, and would only charge $50 to cover maid service.

I’m sure that wastefulness must really chap your behind.

 

[Optimus Prime]

for what it's worth

This counters most everything else I've read on this
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Most children who believe that they are transgender are just going through a “phase”, the NHS has said, as it warns that doctors should not encourage them to change their names and pronouns.

NHS England has announced plans for tightening controls on the treatment of under 18s questioning their gender, including a ban on prescribing puberty blockers outside of strict clinical trials.

The services, which will replace the controversial Tavistock clinic, will be led by medical doctors rather than therapists and will consider the impact of other conditions such as autism and mental health issues.

The plans, which are currently under public consultation, are for an interim service for young people with gender dysphoria whilst Dr Hilary Cass continues her review into the treatment offered by the NHS.

They note that there is a need to change the services because there is currently “scarce and inconclusive evidence to support clinical decision-making”.

NHS England says that the interim Cass Report has advised that even social transition, such as changing a young person’s name and pronouns or the way that they dress, is not a “neutral act” that could have “significant effects” in terms of “psychological functioning”............

MSN

www.msn.com

 

[BullSheetBuddha]

Eye of the beholder.

Agree.

I've only seen one show and didn't find it particularly entertaining. However, my date did and she wouldn't let us leave until the night was over.

Now, socially relevant? I think anything that can introduce you to a minority that is at least periodically marginalized is socially relevant.

 

[Peace]

You must be just incensed that Trump charged the Secret Service over $1000 a night at times when they were forced to stay in his properties. After Eric pledged that they would never profit from the Secret Service staying at their hotels, and would only charge $50 to cover maid service.

I’m sure that wastefulness must really chap your behind.

It would chap my arse if it were an ongoing thing.

You'd better post a link so that I can read through it, as you're probably missing something.

 

[BullSheetBuddha]

It would chap my arse if it were an ongoing thing.

You'd better post a link so that I can read through it, as you're probably missing something.

https://www.nytimes.com/2022/10/17/us/politics/trump-hotels-secret-service.html

"WASHINGTON — The Trump Organization charged the Secret Service up to $1,185 per night for hotel rooms used by agents protecting former President Donald J. Trump and his family, according to documents released on Monday by the House Oversight Committee, forcing a federal agency to pay well above government rates.

The committee released Secret Service records showing more than $1.4 million in payments by the department to Trump properties since Mr. Trump took office in 2017. The committee said that the accounting was incomplete, however, because it did not include payments to Mr. Trump’s foreign properties — where agents accompanied his family repeatedly — and because the records stopped in September 2021.

The records the panel obtained provided new details about an arrangement in which Mr. Trump and his family effectively turned the Secret Service into a captive customer of their business — by visiting their properties hundreds of times, and then charging the government rates far above its usual spending limits.

The records also make clear that Mr. Trump’s son Eric — who ran the family business while his father was in office — provided a misleading account of what his company was charging."

 

[Peace]

I won't be paying a subscription for that rag, but you can bet that they've skewed the truth.

Still, if Trump did charge them it was probably because they were following through on something leftist and stupid. I would've done the same thing if that were the case.

 

[cuddlemonkey]

It would chap my arse if it were an ongoing thing.

You'd better post a link so that I can read through it, as you're probably missing something.

House panel: Trump's bills to Secret Service 'exorbitant'

Donald Trump’s private company arranged for the Secret Service to pay for rooms at his properties in excess of government-approved rates at least 40 times — including two charges for more than $1,100 per room, per night.

apnews.com

Trump’s Company Charged Secret Service $1,185 Per Night To Stay At His Hotel, Documents Show

The Trump International Hotel charged more than five times the government recommended rate for Washington, D.C.

www.forbes.com

The Secret Service spent nearly $2 million at Trump properties - CREW | Citizens for Responsibility and Ethics in Washington

Trump's presidential grifting had a real cost to taxpayers: nearly $2 million to protect the Trumps at their own properties.

www.citizensforethics.org

Trump hotels charged his Secret Service protectors 'exorbitant' rates

New documents indicate Trump-owned properties repeatedly charged the Secret Service rates far higher than government rates, as high as $1,185 per room per night.

www.npr.org

 

[BullSheetBuddha]

..................if Trump did charge them it was probably because they were following through on something leftist and stupid.................

How ridiculous.

 

[Peace]

House panel: Trump's bills to Secret Service 'exorbitant'

Donald Trump’s private company arranged for the Secret Service to pay for rooms at his properties in excess of government-approved rates at least 40 times — including two charges for more than $1,100 per room, per night.

apnews.com

Trump’s Company Charged Secret Service $1,185 Per Night To Stay At His Hotel, Documents Show

The Trump International Hotel charged more than five times the government recommended rate for Washington, D.C.

www.forbes.com

The Secret Service spent nearly $2 million at Trump properties - CREW | Citizens for Responsibility and Ethics in Washington

Trump's presidential grifting had a real cost to taxpayers: nearly $2 million to protect the Trumps at their own properties.

www.citizensforethics.org

Trump hotels charged his Secret Service protectors 'exorbitant' rates

New documents indicate Trump-owned properties repeatedly charged the Secret Service rates far higher than government rates, as high as $1,185 per room per night.

www.npr.org

Yeah, that's bullshirt. I'd be calling his arse out on that one.

But Like I've said before, none of these guys are without flaws, it's just that Republicans have less than the democrats.

 

[Peace]

How ridiculous.

it was ridiculous, actually, so I'm walking it back.

 

[cuddlemonkey]

Yeah, that's bullshirt. I'd be calling his arse out on that one.

But Like I've said before, none of these guys are without flaws, it's just that Republicans have less than the democrats.

I think we can agree that this is evidence of a pretty big grift, right?

 

[MT15]

It would chap my arse if it were an ongoing thing.

You'd better post a link so that I can read through it, as you're probably missing something.

Why should I? You make blanket statements that aren’t true all the time without links.

it happened for all 4 years of Trump’s presidency. Is that ongoing enough for you? Remember when Mike Pence went way out of his way to stay at one of Trump’s properties in Scotland (IIRC)? I remember when the story came out. It was suspicious as hell.

Trump made millions from being President by similar self-dealing. It didn’t bother you.

 

[MT15]

by it didn’t bother you, what I mean is this was publicly known while it was happening. I read reports on it, and they also reported on how many foreign governments were spending millions to stay at his DC hotel, because Trump let it be known that if you wanted his attention as President you better be staying at his hotel while in DC.

Nobody on the right said anything about it. Grift of colossal proportions. Unprecedented by a president.

 

[SystemShock]

You actually care a whole lot, it seems.

I care a lot about what?

 

[SystemShock]

Agree.

I've only seen one show and didn't find it particularly entertaining.

Well, there you go.

Now, socially relevant? I think anything that can introduce you to a minority that is at least periodically marginalized is socially relevant.

And how are drag queens specifically periodically marginalized?

 

[SystemShock]

You must be just incensed that Trump charged the Secret Service over $1000 a night at times when they were forced to stay in his properties. After Eric pledged that they would never profit from the Secret Service staying at their hotels, and would only charge $50 to cover maid service.

I’m sure that wastefulness must really chap your behind.

It chaps my behind. Is that good enough?

 

[Peace]

Why should I?

Now you don't have to, but thanks for replying anyways.

 

[BullSheetBuddha]

And how are drag queens specifically periodically marginalized?

https://scholarworks.umt.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=5531&context=etd

"Male privilege and non-male marginalization dominate the social world in America (McIntosh 1989, Peterson and Morgan 1995, Reskin 2002). Male privilege, the unearned advantages that men experience and that are unavailable to women, is present in American society through social, economic and political rights and benefits provided to men on the basis of their gender (McIntosh 1989). This is visible in the gender wage gap and the large ratio of male CEOs to female CEOs (Reskin 2002, Peterson and Morgan 1995). Non-male marginalization is realized as non-male genders being left out of the center of social, economic, and political circles. Marginalization is visible in situations where women are excluded from social circles that have power or from access to decision-making authority over their own lives.

Privilege and marginalization may be familiar topics of discussion in the realm of gender, but these concepts affect many other groups including those with non-heterosexual identities. The lesbian, gay, bisexual, transgender, intersex, queer, questioning, and asexual (LGBT+ or queer) community is a group that lacks heterosexual privilege and is marginalized based on their LGBT+ status. Because of this, LGBT+ people have a need for safe spaces where they can be openly LGBT+. Safe spaces are essential for people who have marginalized sexual orientations or who are gender variant in a heteronormative world. LGBT+ safe spaces are places that these individuals can be out and open without fear of backlash, outing, or discrimination. A safe space is somewhere that queer people feel comfortable being who they are.

Drag shows are often a beacon for a safe space that is open to all members of the queer community. The LGBT+ community has a history of using drag performance to advance goals of activism, visibility, charity work, and more recently, for profit. Communities often form around drag show events, especially amongst performers. Drag shows may be a pageant or contest in which there is a winner, or they may simply be a series of lip synching performances to entertain................"